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superamazingman
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Yes, in a few isolated circumstances. How could they not, with the parishioners trying to trip them up and find fault in their every move?
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Where did all the parishioners go who quit?
It would be worth finding out.
That’s an awful lot of people who are possibly no longer receiving the Sacraments and are in danger of hellfire. Pope Benedict XVI has made it clear that evangelization, especially of Catholics, is on the top of the priority list for Catholics. I think it would be good to obey him and seek out these people and try to woo them back to the Church, rather than be glad that they are finally out so that now the “real” Catholics can enjoy Mass without the company of their irritating “liberal” brothers and sisters.
It’s not like these people were advocating heresy or totally corrupting the Mass with clowns, dancers, and heavy metal music. All they wanted was to be able to have altar girls in their Masses just like many other conservative, orthodox dioceses (like mine) in the U.S. Surely these people are not past hope of redemption. They don’t seem like terrific sinners to me.
James 5: 19-20 says, “My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth, and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
It would be worth finding out.
That’s an awful lot of people who are possibly no longer receiving the Sacraments and are in danger of hellfire. Pope Benedict XVI has made it clear that evangelization, especially of Catholics, is on the top of the priority list for Catholics. I think it would be good to obey him and seek out these people and try to woo them back to the Church, rather than be glad that they are finally out so that now the “real” Catholics can enjoy Mass without the company of their irritating “liberal” brothers and sisters.
It’s not like these people were advocating heresy or totally corrupting the Mass with clowns, dancers, and heavy metal music. All they wanted was to be able to have altar girls in their Masses just like many other conservative, orthodox dioceses (like mine) in the U.S. Surely these people are not past hope of redemption. They don’t seem like terrific sinners to me.
James 5: 19-20 says, “My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth, and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
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superamazingman
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Get this straight, Robert: if the people of the parish are refusing to donate, and the parish shuts down, don’t go blaming the priests. Now, people may be angry at them, but if they truly loved their parish, with or without the priests, they wouldn’t stop donating to the point of closing the parish.
You say that the priest is imposing his will on the parishoners. What is alternative in the situation? The parishoners imposing their will on the priests? Would you then run to the defence of the priests, should that happen?
This parish is known as one of the most liberal parishes in the diocese, and they are throwing a tantrum as usual when faced with the truth.
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twopekinguys
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Bravo!!
We aren’t that far from Platteville, and go there on our way to Dodgeville. We may just make sure we stop there for Mass one weekend.
First hand knowledge is much better than trying to piece things together.
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superamazingman
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In fact, bishop morlino has spoken publicly that he loves the sauk priests and is very supportive.
His letter should not in any way be interpreted as a neutral, legalistic ‘I support them because they are within their rights.’
He has done many of the same things at his Cathedral, including expanded confessions, male only altar servers, and extremely limited EMHCs. Keep that in mind here in the discussion.
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Cristiano
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It amazes me that people think that pastoral care is about pleasing people. I guess that we should ask the pope to remove excommunication from the Code of Canon Law because for sure it is going to displease people and thus it is not pastoral. 
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jilly4ski
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However, this point needs to be properly understood. If we as the laity, want our rights as regard to our faith respected, then we must also respect the rights of the priest. We put ourselves outside of legitimate authority to deny priests their exercise of their lawful rights.
Robert keeps harping on the fact that Church “allows” female altar servers. But this is an incorrect way to view it in my opinion. The Church has given bishops the power to allow female altar servers in his diocese, and if he does do, then the pastor has the power to allow them in his parish, and if he does so, then the celebrant has the power to allow them at his Masses. The default is not that female altar servers are allowed until banned. It is rather, that they are prohibited until each level of authority allows them.
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superamazingman
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Exactly! That’s what I tried to point out in post 48.If he’s going to go legalistic and say that girls are now allowed to serve, he’s being very remis to not point out that they are only allowed if everyone in the chain of command above the parish must approve them as well, AND remember that the holy see encourages having male only altar boys.
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