Pastor told to apologize for participating in Newtown vigil?

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smaneck said:
Hmmm. I’ve not seen a Christian so explicitly admit that Christians are not monotheists before.
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Ours is one God with three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Muslim’s god Allah is, they do not worship the Holy Trinity.
Jews worship one god, they reject Christ
 
CalCatholic said:
Just for info, it was not a Catholic Mass but a inter-faith prayer vigil.
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I’d be very content if it was a Catholic Mass, and from what I can see, the LCMS would also be content with a Catholic Mass. From how I see it, it’s the denial of the fullness of Christ that makes the inter-faith prayer vigil a problem.
 
If I’m not mistaken, this vigil was not just a hodgepodge of different Christian groups. It included non-Christian groups as well, which I’d have a problem with too.
 
ltwin said:
If I’m not mistaken, this vigil was not just a hodgepodge of different Christian groups. It included non-Christian groups as well, which I’d have a problem with too.
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And I think, in the final analysis, this is the issue this pastor ran into in Newtown, and what Pastor Benke ran into at Yankee Stadium following 911.

Jon
 
This is really a non-story. The Synod had rules against this. The minister violated them and was told to apologize. Of course I do not agree with the synod, but then I am not Lutheran. Still, it is an internal matter. There is no need to use dead children to make Lutheran’s look bad. I have to side with my Lutheran brothers on this, even if I am not a brother in their eyes.
 
pnewton said:
This is really a non-story. The Synod had rules against this. The minister violated them and was told to apologize. Of course I do not agree with the synod, but then I am not Lutheran. Still, it is an internal matter. There is no need to use dead children to make Lutheran’s look bad. I have to side with my Lutheran brothers on this, even if I am not a brother in their eyes.
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Of course you are our brother in Christ!!!

Jon
 
If I may ask a silly question. Is Matthew Harrison a priest?

MJ
 
Still wondering . . . Was the Catholic Church represented at the vigil? And according to Canon Law would this not have been an issue for a priest? Thanks for any (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
ReturningToRome said:
Still wondering . . . Was the Catholic Church represented at the vigil? And according to Canon Law would this not have been an issue for a priest? Thanks for any (name removed by moderator)ut.
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My understanding is that Catholics cannot share the eucharist with non-Catholics but they certainly pray with them.
 
JonNC said:
The Rev. Dr. Matthew Harrison is President of the LCMS. Effectively, our presiding bishop. Yes, he is an ordained priest/pastor.

Jon
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Jon, I don’t mean to be argumentative, but your response shows a misunderstanding. A Lutheran Pastor is neither a Priest nor a Bishop. LCMS pastors would be the first to assert that. Are they ordained Reverends? Yes. But this is not the same as receiving the Sacrament of Holy Orders conferred through Apostolic Succession, an indelible gift of the Holy Spirit. It rather represents a theological education, authorization by the Synod, and a Calling by an individual congregation. And true, it certainly has valuable elements of equivalency of work with a Catholic priest -to preach, to care for the flock, etc. But they do not have the authority to absolve sins or confect the Eucharist. Realizing this led me back to the Catholic Church after many years as a Lutheran.

Peace, my brother!
John
 
ReturningToRome said:
Jon, I don’t mean to be argumentative, but your response shows a misunderstanding. A Lutheran Pastor is neither a Priest nor a Bishop. LCMS pastors would be the first to assert that. Are they ordained Reverends? Yes. But this is not the same as receiving the Sacrament of Holy Orders conferred through Apostolic Succession, an indelible gift of the Holy Spirit. I
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Of course Luther taught the priesthood of all believers.
 
ReturningToRome said:
Jon, I don’t mean to be argumentative, but your response shows a misunderstanding. A Lutheran Pastor is neither a Priest nor a Bishop. LCMS pastors would be the first to assert that. Are they ordained Reverends? Yes. But this is not the same as receiving the Sacrament of Holy Orders conferred through Apostolic Succession, an indelible gift of the Holy Spirit. It rather represents a theological education, authorization by the Synod, and a Calling by an individual congregation. And true, it certainly has valuable elements of equivalency of work with a Catholic priest -to preach, to care for the flock, etc. But they do not have the authority to absolve sins or confect the Eucharist. Realizing this led me back to the Catholic Church after many years as a Lutheran.

Peace, my brother!
John
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To be a priest does not, necessarily, require AS. I think you will find, however, that within Lutheranism the term priest and bishop are both used. Some Scandinavian Lutherans even retain bishops within AS, the Catholic dismissal of their validity notwithstanding.
As for validity, I don’t think you’d ever hear an LCMS pastor say he doesn’t have the authority to absolve sin, and celebrate the Supper.

And i suspect President Harrison would tell you that many of his functions are that of a bishop. He is, in this way, a bishop.

Jon
 
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