Pat Robertson says Alzheimers makes divorce OK.

[AmateurPianist]

blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2011/09/pat_robertson_b.html

…not defending Pat…just updating the story…

 

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blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2011/09/pat_robertson_b.html

…not defending Pat…just updating the story…

That still leaves me scratching my head. From the article:

Robertson recapped the story, saying, “Basically I’m saying, adultery is not a good thing, and you might as well straighten your life out, and the only way to do it is to kind of get your affair with your wife in order.”

Robertson suggested earlier this month that it would be understandable for someone to divorce a spouse who has Alzheimer’s. A viewer asked Robertson how to address a friend who was dating another woman while his wife has Alzheimer’s. “I know it sounds cruel, but if he’s going to do something he should divorce her and start all over again,” he said at the time.

Then, Pat says:

“Please know that I believe the Bible. Please know that I never would tell anybody to leave their sick spouse. I never, never would say such a thing because I need my spouse when I get sick and she needs me when she gets sick.” He said, "In sickness and in health, I believe it. So phew!

Don’t those contradict each other? First he says in the situation of the caller, the person should “get your affair with your wife in order”. Then he says you should stick with your sick spouse…

If someone asked me for advice, I would tell the person to stop seeing someone else and be there for your wife. Not “get your affair with your wife in order”.

 

[Zooey]

Regression, thank you for the update.

I liked this comment at the bottom of the article you linked :

I think his newest worst comment is 'they come to me asking for specific advice… I’m not giving a theological defense."
Well why in the world not?? Why give advice if it isn’t theologically correct?
Why have a show where you purport to be a Biblical teacher, if you can’t give scriptural advice?
This is the advice he could have and should have given to the caller:
You can tell your friend that divorce is not an option. Your friend committed himself to this person, and when the going gets tough the tough stand and protect and nurture what they vowed to protect and cherish." Now was that so hard?

Posted by: courtney at September 29, 2011

Now there is somebody who “gets it”!!

 

[Jack_Bauer]

Regression, thank you for the update.

I liked this comment at the bottom of the article you linked :



Now there is somebody who “gets it”!!

 

[JReducation]

That still leaves me scratching my head. From the article:

Robertson recapped the story, saying, “Basically I’m saying, adultery is not a good thing, and you might as well straighten your life out, and the only way to do it is to kind of get your affair with your wife in order.”

Robertson suggested earlier this month that it would be understandable for someone to divorce a spouse who has Alzheimer’s. A viewer asked Robertson how to address a friend who was dating another woman while his wife has Alzheimer’s. “I know it sounds cruel, but if he’s going to do something he should divorce her and start all over again,” he said at the time.

Then, Pat says:

“Please know that I believe the Bible. Please know that I never would tell anybody to leave their sick spouse. I never, never would say such a thing because I need my spouse when I get sick and she needs me when she gets sick.” He said, "In sickness and in health, I believe it. So phew!

Don’t those contradict each other? First he says in the situation of the caller, the person should “get your affair with your wife in order”. Then he says you should stick with your sick spouse…

If someone asked me for advice, I would tell the person to stop seeing someone else and be there for your wife. Not “get your affair with your wife in order”.

To give the Rev. Robertson the benefit of the doubt for a moment, could he have meant to say that if someone comes to him for advice, he’s not going to teach a theology class?

That would be reasonable. If someone asks me for advice on a subject such as this, I’m not going to walk him down a course on sacramental theology or theology of marriage. The person just wants an answer that is practical. However, my practical answer must be grounded on good theology. Do you see what I mean?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

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To give the Rev. Robertson the benefit of the doubt for a moment, could he have meant to say that if someone comes to him for advice, he’s not going to teach a theology class?

That would be reasonable. If someone asks me for advice on a subject such as this, I’m not going to walk him down a course on sacramental theology or theology of marriage. The person just wants an answer that is practical. However, my practical answer must be grounded on good theology. Do you see what I mean?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

So what would your practical answer be in the situation Pat Robertson was present with?

 

[PbloPicasso]

So what would your practical answer be in the situation Pat Robertson was present with?

Br. Ewing would best respond with:
“You better get on your taco and get out of town, I"m tired of you messing around with my burrito.”

 

[JReducation]

So what would your practical answer be in the situation Pat Robertson was present with?

I already posted my responsein #56

Br. Ewing would best respond with:
“You better get on your taco and get out of town, I"m tired of you messing around with my burrito.”

Not quite.

By the way, can you not put that hat on the head of the Seraphic Father. It’s very disrespectful. Thanks.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

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I already posted my responsein #56

Sorry, I missed that. So to boil down your response to one sentence, it would be the man in question should not be seeing another woman and she remain faithful to his spouse?

 

[JReducation]

Sorry, I missed that. So to boil down your response to one sentence, it would be the man in question should not be seeing another woman and she remain faithful to his spouse?

He owes this to her. The marriage bond is not dissolved by such circumstances. It is a grave sin against the vows and against justice to bail out.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[PbloPicasso]

I already posted my responsein #56

Not quite.

By the way, can you not put that hat on the head of the Seraphic Father. It’s very disrespectful. Thanks.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

St. Francis has a huge sense of humor and encourages it. In fact, we learned this from our Franciscan Friars running our parish. No disrespect intended. Just thought you were a Franciscan and understood St. Francis’ sense of humor.

 

[JReducation]

St. Francis has a huge sense of humor and encourages it. In fact, we learned this from our Franciscan Friars running our parish. No disrespect intended. Just thought you were a Franciscan and understood St. Francis’ sense of humor.

I am a Franciscan and it is true that he had a sense of humor. However, we also have a strong sense of reverence for our Seraphic Father. We wouldn’t do this, even if it’s funny to Francis out of respect for him. Do you see what I mean?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[PbloPicasso]

I am a Franciscan and it is true that he had a sense of humor. However, we also have a strong sense of reverence for our Seraphic Father. We wouldn’t do this, even if it’s funny to Francis out of respect for him. Do you see what I mean?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

I understand. I didn’t see an animated picture as St. Francis himself, but rather in the sense it relates to us in Texas. Let me post another picture and tell me if this is funny or disrespectful. I won’t do it again, just thought you’d see the humor and respond as how our Franciscan’s respond.

Further, do you not realize that that is a nice, respectable hat where I come from? And this would have looked like some of the Franciscans during the old west where the sun beams bright and hot. A hat like that could easily cost as much as $500, depending on the quality. That particular hat is one that I chose very carefully in order to retain respect for the Holy Father Francis. I will refrain from it since you found it disrespectful. I just wanted you to know how we love our Franciscans here and the fact that you capitalize JR in your username. We live very close to the TV series Dallas Ranch, South Fork. For us and my clan, we’re about as cowboy as cowboy gets. It’s not intended to be disrespectful. If anything, it elevates. Why do you think one of our parish priests has a picture on a horse? Humor. I apologize and if I could remove it I would.

 

[JReducation]

I understand. I didn’t see an animated picture as St. Francis himself, but rather in the sense it relates to us in Texas. Let me post another picture and tell me if this is funny or disrespectful. I won’t do it again, just thought you’d see the humor and respond as how our Franciscan’s respond.

Further, do you not realize that that is a nice, respectable hat where I come from? And this would have looked like some of the Franciscans during the old west where the sun beams bright and hot. A hat like that could easily cost as much as $500, depending on the quality. That particular hat is one that I chose very carefully in order to retain respect for the Holy Father Francis. I will refrain from it since you found it disrespectful. I just wanted you to know how we love our Franciscans here and the fact that you capitalize JR in your username. We live very close to the TV series Dallas Ranch, South Fork. For us and my clan, we’re about as cowboy as cowboy gets. It’s not intended to be disrespectful. If anything, it elevates. Why do you think one of our parish priests has a picture on a horse? Humor. I apologize and if I could remove it I would.

I love TX. I have been there many times to several of its cities. I’m scheduled to go back to TX to give a talk in January.

I capitalize JR, because my religious name is Jason Richard, though everyone calls me Jay, because we have a Jason Mary.

A 10 gal hat costs that much money? OMG . . . do you know how many diapers I can get for the price of that hat? Can I have the money instead of the hat?

Which Franciscans do you have in your town? OFM, OFM Cap, OFM Conv., OSF, FSE, MFVA, TOR, CFR, FPO?

By the way, I like the pic. Is he a friar? I can’t tell. If he is, you can tease him about riding a horse. St. Francis prohibitted the riding of horses.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[PbloPicasso]

I love TX. I have been there many times to several of its cities. I’m scheduled to go back to TX to give a talk in January.

I capitalize JR, because my religious name is Jason Richard, though everyone calls me Jay, because we have a Jason Mary.

A 10 gal hat costs that much money? OMG . . . do you know how many diapers I can get for the price of that hat? Can I have the money instead of the hat?

Which Franciscans do you have in your town? OFM, OFM Cap, OFM Conv., OSF, FSE, MFVA, TOR, CFR, FPO?

By the way, I like the pic. Is he a friar? I can’t tell. If he is, you can tease him about riding a horse. St. Francis prohibitted the riding of horses.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

OMG! St. Francis prohibited the riding of horses? My wife just confirmed your statement. She read it in a book Fr. Jim loaned her… They are TORs from the Sacred Heart. Their community’s home is located in Loretta, Pennsylvania. Narrowed down enough?

BTW: And why would you know that much about diapers???

Where will you be speaking? My wife just asked. We’d love to hear you speak. If memory serves me well, you have a Doctorate in Theology. You used to teach seminarians too. And now you have something else, can’t recall, ministry. When and where is your talk?

BTW2: Here’s a photo of a similar hat that I have. About $200. Poor man’s hat.

 

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He owes this to her. The marriage bond is not dissolved by such circumstances. It is a grave sin against the vows and against justice to bail out.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

Well for what it is worth, we would both give the same answer to the caller…

 

[JReducation]

OMG! St. Francis prohibited the riding of horses? My wife just confirmed your statement. She read it in a book Fr. Jim loaned her.

You didn’t know that? It’s in the rule. At the time, the horse was only used by the aristocracy.

They are TORs from the Sacred Heart. Their community’s home is located in Loretta, Pennsylvania. Narrowed down enough?

Those are the Franciscans of the Third Order Regular. They’re based out of St. Francis college in Loretto, PA. That’s the same obedience that runs Franciscan University and St. Francis University.

BTW: And why would you know that much about diapers???

I run a ministry for poor fathers in crisis pregnancies. We provide them with everything they need for their babies until they are 12 mos old. We also provide pre-natal education, abortion counseling (against not for), NFP training, parenting classes, and catechesis.

Where will you be speaking? My wife just asked. We’d love to hear you speak. If memory serves me well, you have a Doctorate in Theology. You used to teach seminarians too. And now you have something else, can’t recall, ministry. When and where is your talk?

I hope to be in El Paso on Jan 22. I’m looking forward to it. I’ve never been there.

BTW2: Here’s a photo of a similar hat that I have. About $200. Poor man’s hat.

$200 is a poor man’s hat? My habit costs $200.00. If I spent my $200 on a hat, I’ve have to go nekid.

Well for what it is worth, we would both give the same answer to the caller…

As should anyone who has a sense of justice. You don’t have to be Catholic to see that one.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[PbloPicasso]

You didn’t know that? It’s in the rule. At the time, the horse was only used by the aristocracy.

That makes sense. But I never realized it. I believe Fr. Mike hopped on the horse for a photo moment on the day they blessed the animals. I’m still learning.

Those are the Franciscans of the Third Order Regular. They’re based out of St. Francis college in Loretto, PA. That’s the same obedience that runs Franciscan University and St. Francis University.

Yes. You’ve got them pegged. I’ve been to FU about 3 or 4 times in the 70’s. Our last associate pastor went back to FU for counseling certification. He’s back at Loretto the last I heard. If you look closely at the horse pic you can make out the priest’s habit.

I run a ministry for poor fathers in crisis pregnancies. We provide them with everything they need for their babies until they are 12 mos old. We also provide pre-natal education, abortion counseling (against not for), NFP training, parenting classes, and catechesis.

Now that makes sense. Great ministry. Two thumbs up for that.

I hope to be in El Paso on Jan 22. I’m looking forward to it. I’ve never been there.

Was supposed to go to summer drill there some years ago, Would still like to go one day. Never been.

$200 is a poor man’s hat? My habit costs $200.00. If I spent my $200 on a hat, I’ve have to go nekid.

$200 for your habit? I could buy clothes for the whole week for that much money. Who makes them? Brioni? [had to google expensive mens clothing for this one]

 

[Tony888]

To give the Rev. Robertson the benefit of the doubt for a moment, could he have meant to say that if someone comes to him for advice, he’s not going to teach a theology class?

That would be reasonable. If someone asks me for advice on a subject such as this, I’m not going to walk him down a course on sacramental theology or theology of marriage. The person just wants an answer that is practical. However, my practical answer must be grounded on good theology. Do you see what I mean?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

No, he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt here

• Pat responded very clearly with advice that was contrary to the teachings of Christ and the commitment of marriage.
• Pat is now just trying to “spin” this into an effective CYA. Since he ran for presitent, he obviously knows the art of SPIN.

If the guy had integrity, he would admit his error rather than spin a cover story.

 

[Zooey]

No, he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt here

• Pat responded very clearly with advice that was contrary to the teachings of Christ and the commitment of marriage.
• Pat is now just trying to “spin” this into an effective CYA. Since he ran for presitent, he obviously knows the art of SPIN.

If the guy had integrity, he would admit his error rather than spin a cover story.

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