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I am going to become a Catholic when I go off to the University of Pittsburgh. Right now I only give importance to myself and I feel that I am seeking God simply as a means to salvation. I am praying that I can earnestly love my neighbor and God. As of now, I illogically am uncomfortable with completely surrendering to God’s providence. I wanted to ask where do I begin. I know that I must continue to pray but what must I do to actually feel real love towards my neighbors and God. Do I do acts of kindness knowing that I am gratifying myself rather than earnestly caring for others? Do I praise god even though I know I am being disingenuous and narcissistic?

Please Advise
 
To get to the point of totally disinterested love is to be very spiritually advanced. Don’t worry so much about your motivations; you are to be commended that you are aware that they are at the very least mixed at this point.

You ask where to begin but you have already begun. You have already taken the first steps by praying, doing acts of kindness, and praising God though your intentions may not be pure. God will, in time, help you to purify them.

In the meantime, pray for a spirit of detachment. If I may suggest, as you are very earnest in your desire to grow in the spiritual life, a book by Ralph Martin: “The Fulfillment of All Desire.” It describes the processes we go through as we grow closer to union with God in very clear and readable language.
 
*My heart grew hot within me: and in my meditation a fire shall flame out. *(Psalm 39:3)

Meditation (e.g. on the Scriptures) is a sure means for growing in love. This book is an extremely helpful guide for praying well: archive.org/stream/thewaysofmentalp00lehouoft#page/n5/mode/2up (It was recommended by an eminent Dominican theologian, Garrigou-Lagrange, as well as St. Pope Pius X)

We must frequently ask Our Lord for an increase in love. “I know that you love Me intimately but, although your love is great, it is still far less than the love I bear you; for this reason, you must pray without ceasing that your love may be increased.” (Jesus said to Mother Mary of the Divine Heart)

It is very important to remember that we cannot advance faster than grace. It takes time and effort to grow in love, but if we have this desire, God will surely mold our hearts according to His good pleasure. St. Crescentia said that she would rather die a thousand times than miss one Communion. We cannot simply produce such great love by an act of the will; rather, it is (generally) the fruit of long perseverance in prayer, mortification, virtue etc. The surest way to grow in love is to have confidence in Our Lord, and remain docile to His inspirations. Also, more specifically, the saints say that the Eucharist and Marian consecration (e.g. as found in ‘True Devotion to Mary’ or ‘33 Days to Morning Glory’) are the shortest, quickest and easiest ways to grow in love and holiness. These books are well worth reading! The former can be found online.

Here are some revelations that might also be helpful:

St. Veronica Giuliani said that when we receive Holy Communion with faith, love and purity of heart, “God enriches her [the soul] with His graces to such an extent that she makes giant strides on the path of perfection.”

The Eternal Father said to St. Catherine of Siena: “He who prays with little application reaps little; he who prays with much application reaps much. The more the soul tries to purify her love and unite herself to Me by the light of her intellect, the more she knows Me. The more she knows Me, the more she loves Me. The more she loves Me, the more she tastes Me.”

He also said to her: “It is certain that your happiness consists in perfect renunciation of yourself. I will fill you with My grace in the same degree as you empty yourself of your will. Participation in My divine goodness will perfect you through grace – and without grace mankind is nothing in virtue or dignity.”

Our Lord said the following to St. Bridget of Sweden: “To those who begin to wear My yoke, and who are making efforts, I will give My grace. With those who bear My burden – that is to say who try day by day for love of Me to advance in the way of perfection – I will work, I will be their strength, I will inflame them with love so that they may desire Me still more.”

God bless.
 
To get to the point of totally disinterested love is to be very spiritually advanced. Don’t worry so much about your motivations; you are to be commended that you are aware that they are at the very least mixed at this point.

You ask where to begin but you have already begun. You have already taken the first steps by praying, doing acts of kindness, and praising God though your intentions may not be pure. God will, in time, help you to purify them.

In the meantime, pray for a spirit of detachment. If I may suggest, as you are very earnest in your desire to grow in the spiritual life, a book by Ralph Martin: “The Fulfillment of All Desire.” It describes the processes we go through as we grow closer to union with God in very clear and readable language.
Thank You for your kind response. I hope to increase my love for my parents as well as my love for my peers, teachers, and anyone else I happen to meet. I hope to accomplish this by surrendering to the will of god and praying to him more earnestly. I will continue to praise him and attempt not to go overboard. I will look at the book by Ralph Martin as it seems like what I need in my given situation.
 
*My heart grew hot within me: and in my meditation a fire shall flame out. *(Psalm 39:3)

Meditation (e.g. on the Scriptures) is a sure means for growing in love. This book is an extremely helpful guide for praying well: archive.org/stream/thewaysofmentalp00lehouoft#page/n5/mode/2up (It was recommended by an eminent Dominican theologian, Garrigou-Lagrange, as well as St. Pope Pius X)

We must frequently ask Our Lord for an increase in love. “I know that you love Me intimately but, although your love is great, it is still far less than the love I bear you; for this reason, you must pray without ceasing that your love may be increased.” (Jesus said to Mother Mary of the Divine Heart)

It is very important to remember that we cannot advance faster than grace. It takes time and effort to grow in love, but if we have this desire, God will surely mold our hearts according to His good pleasure. St. Crescentia said that she would rather die a thousand times than miss one Communion. We cannot simply produce such great love by an act of the will; rather, it is (generally) the fruit of long perseverance in prayer, mortification, virtue etc. The surest way to grow in love is to have confidence in Our Lord, and remain docile to His inspirations. Also, more specifically, the saints say that the Eucharist and Marian consecration (e.g. as found in ‘True Devotion to Mary’ or ‘33 Days to Morning Glory’) are the shortest, quickest and easiest ways to grow in love and holiness. These books are well worth reading! The former can be found online.

Here are some revelations that might also be helpful:

St. Veronica Giuliani said that when we receive Holy Communion with faith, love and purity of heart, “God enriches her [the soul] with His graces to such an extent that she makes giant strides on the path of perfection.”

The Eternal Father said to St. Catherine of Siena: “He who prays with little application reaps little; he who prays with much application reaps much. The more the soul tries to purify her love and unite herself to Me by the light of her intellect, the more she knows Me. The more she knows Me, the more she loves Me. The more she loves Me, the more she tastes Me.”

He also said to her: “It is certain that your happiness consists in perfect renunciation of yourself. I will fill you with My grace in the same degree as you empty yourself of your will. Participation in My divine goodness will perfect you through grace – and without grace mankind is nothing in virtue or dignity.”

Our Lord said the following to St. Bridget of Sweden: “To those who begin to wear My yoke, and who are making efforts, I will give My grace. With those who bear My burden – that is to say who try day by day for love of Me to advance in the way of perfection – I will work, I will be their strength, I will inflame them with love so that they may desire Me still more.”

God bless.
I will check out the prayer guidebook as it seems like it will provide me with what I am looking for. The quote from Jesus summarizes what feels to be the correct response. I am generally a person who believes in the great power of the will. My expectations have been unrealistic and I know I have a long journey ahead. I often have a “want it expediently” mentality and I know I must temper this and happily anticipate the great path that god has created for me. I look forward to receiving Holy Communion for the first time. I have learned that intellect plays a large role in our love of god. I hope to one day be able to renounce myself to a much greater degree. I have read Jean Baptiste Saint-Jure’s writings and they have provided me great help.

Thank You
 
Thank You for your kind response. I hope to increase my love for my parents as well as my love for my peers, teachers, and anyone else I happen to meet. I hope to accomplish this by surrendering to the will of god and praying to him more earnestly. I will continue to praise him and attempt not to go overboard. I will look at the book by Ralph Martin as it seems like what I need in my given situation.
Dear celestialaegis,

I agree with Mary_Ellen’s response to you, I have not read Ralph Martin’s book but I would recommend another book written by a Catholic layman, R.Thomas Richard, PhD. entitled: The Ordinary Path to Holiness. It gives an excellent overview of the stages of spiritual growth as has been taught in the Catholic Church for centuries and references the great giants of spirituality such as St. Bernard, St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila and others. It is written for lay persons especially but can be appreciated by clergy and religious. If you would like to read more about this book see HERE. I’ve read this book more than once and have recommended it to many others. I hope you will read it and be blessed by it as I and others have.
 
I will check out the prayer guidebook as it seems like it will provide me with what I am looking for. The quote from Jesus summarizes what feels to be the correct response. I am generally a person who believes in the great power of the will. My expectations have been unrealistic and I know I have a long journey ahead. I often have a “want it expediently” mentality and I know I must temper this and happily anticipate the great path that god has created for me. I look forward to receiving Holy Communion for the first time. I have learned that intellect plays a large role in our love of god. I hope to one day be able to renounce myself to a much greater degree. I have read Jean Baptiste Saint-Jure’s writings and they have provided me great help.

Thank You
Good decision 🙂 It is an excellent book. I have also benefited from Jean Baptiste’s excellent writings.

The intellect definitely plays an important role in the spiritual life, but most importantly, it is by loving God that our intellect receives the supernatural light to know Him. Infused contemplation is within reach of us all. Some of the most unlettered saints possessed an extraordinary love of God. One thing they all had in common, however, is that they meditated frequently on the Passion, which brings me to a further book recommendation (‘The Passion and Death of Jesus Christ’ by St. Alphonsus Liguori): archive.org/stream/passiondeathofje00ligu#page/n9/mode/2up (This one will be sure to fill you with love!)

ps. Thanks for the thanks!
 
Contemplative prayer, aka “resting in God.” Many Catholics never heard of it, but in the article “Expressions of Prayer” in the CCC, it even says in 2708 that prayer should advance toward true union (which is achieved in Contemplative Prayer, according to CCC)

CCC 2700-2724: scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c3a1.htm

It’s one part of the “apophatic” tradition of the Church, which is the mystery and mysticism and the things we don’t know about God, as opposed to the “kataphatic” tradition with dogma, morality, etc.

The dogma and morality are guides but the real goal is to become “born again” (that’s what Jesus said; it’s not only a term Protestants throw around) which is when you will be transformed in mind and heart and these loving things you will do by nature instead of having to try.

Trying to use will power and intellect to make right decisions and behave rightly, is only a first step in the spiritual life. Learning stuff and saying lots of vocal prayer doesn’t really ask anything of our inner “false self” or ego. What you’re asking for is beyond that and the way to go is like the rich man; become detached from the emotional importance of worldly things. You need to enlist the Divine Therapist, aka the Holy Spirit, who can and will heal you and make you new – the trick is learning how to recognize and accept this gift because it doesn’t come wrapped in a box so it’s about what’s going on in your heart not what’s on the outside.

Doesn’t mean you have to lose it all, although that can actually be helpful, but the more attached to “stuff” and worried about tomorrow etc. you are, it will likely make it harder and take longer – but nothing is impossible with God.

I suggest you check into the book, “Armchair Mystic,” which is being used as a textbook for an introductory class in prayer in Catholic seminaries. amazon.com/Armchair-Mystic-Easing-Contemplative-Prayer/dp/0867164301/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399877240&sr=8-1&keywords=armchair+mystic

Also try reading some mystical literature such as St. John of the Cross, “Dark Night of the Soul” or Teresa of Avila “Interior Castles” and there are good books that speak of the writings of multiple saints, such as the Fire Within, by Thomas DuBay, or for one I find a little easier to read (I’m a slow reader) I might suggest The Fulfillment of All Desire, by Ralph Martin. All books available on amazon.

MS
 
In all honesty I have not been completely honest with you all. I am a textbook narcissist. My intentions are bad. Everything I do is to further myself. I only want to approach god because I want eternal happiness. I know that I would never get to heaven like this. I don’t know what to do. My intentions are all about myself and I wallow in self-pity. Praying to god is all for myself and none for him. In my good deeds for others, I instinctively expect reciprocation. I always hear that complete lack of empathy is the final sign of damnation. The only thing that drives me forward is corporal pleasure and the fear of suffering for eternity.

Is there anything I can do at this point
 
Jesus recommended the following prayer to Sr. Consolata Betrone: “Jesus, Mary, I love You! Save souls!” These words constituted the formula for her unceasing act of love, which can be used by anyone - even occasionally - to great effect. Our Lord said to Sr. Consolata:

“Think no longer about yourself, about your perfection, or how to attain sanctity, about your defects, or your present and future troubles. No, I will see to your sanctification. You must henceforth think only of Me and of souls; of Me to love, of souls to save.”

You can read more about it in ‘Jesus Appeals to the World’ by Fr. Lorenzo Sales if you like. It will simplify your spiritual life immensely.

“You see, Consolata, sanctity means self-forgetfulness in everything, in thoughts, desires, words….Allow Me to do it all! I will do everything; but you should, at every moment, give Me what I ask for with much love!”

“…keep your eyes on Me, so as to make all your actions conformed to Mine.” (Jesus to St. Teresa of Avila)

God bless.
 
I am going to become a Catholic when I go off to the University of Pittsburgh. Right now I only give importance to myself and I feel that I am seeking God simply as a means to salvation. I am praying that I can earnestly love my neighbor and God. As of now, I illogically am uncomfortable with completely surrendering to God’s providence. I wanted to ask where do I begin. I know that I must continue to pray but what must I do to actually feel real love towards my neighbors and God. Do I do acts of kindness knowing that I am gratifying myself rather than earnestly caring for others? Do I praise god even though I know I am being disingenuous and narcissistic?

Please Advise
Just keep asking, seeking, striving to love. There’s no higher virtue, no greater holiness to aspire to. We’re all on that journey-we just have to want it. God will do the rest. He leads; we follow, sometimes stumbling, sometimes stopping, kicking at the goads, hopefully continuing to persevere and push on.
 
In all honesty I have not been completely honest with you all. I am a textbook narcissist. My intentions are bad. Everything I do is to further myself. I only want to approach god because I want eternal happiness. I know that I would never get to heaven like this. I don’t know what to do. My intentions are all about myself and I wallow in self-pity. Praying to god is all for myself and none for him. In my good deeds for others, I instinctively expect reciprocation. I always hear that complete lack of empathy is the final sign of damnation. The only thing that drives me forward is corporal pleasure and the fear of suffering for eternity.

Is there anything I can do at this point
If all you want is eternal happiness (at the expense of living miserably now), then I’m more tempted to call it “low expectations” than “narcissistic.”

What too many miss, is that the “kingdom” that Jesus tells us about – the place where there is no judging, etc. – is for here and now, while we are alive. The fruit of the spirit are not something we are supposed to hope to taste after we’re alive; they are what we are given to taste by sufficiently surrendering our will.

I’m not saying it’s “paradise” in that the world isn’t going to suddenly change into Disneyland or something, but in my mind it can be just as happy. Jesus shows us how. Do not judge, do not worry about tomorrow, repay evil with kindness, the greatest among us is the one who serves, first shall be last, etc. These are all mental exercises to help condition us to receive the gift that is His kingdom, and to receive His peace which He gives us, not like the world gives. The world cannot give “peace” although it can offer “comfort” by providing “good” conditions for a period of time, which means comfort is temporary and conditional; Christ’s peace is eternal and unconditional, and that eternal includes now. These mental exercises are necessary because society binds us – seemingly helplessly – to expectations of the world itself. We are supposed to accuse and shame and condemn and fret over tomorrow, for one reason because it helps those people who will sell us worldly remedies that will not give us the peace of Christ.

The peace of Christ comes with a transformation of mind and heart Jesus calls being born of the spirit. The trick is to self-efface all of the craziness and noise that society gave us, and lay ourselves naked before God to transform our minds and hearts. Easier said than done and all major religions including Christianity have their ways of going about this. In Catholicism it’s often approached by someone reading stories of the mystics and the spiritual journey, and growing widespread use of contemplative prayer and literature. Many will try but few will get there – IMO because we’ve been misled and taught that it’s all about our own will power to control ourselves. It’s actually about losing our will, not building it up, and this is the paradox that requires trust.

The funny part is that once you experience this birthing in the spirit, it may seem at first like nothing really happened except anxiety is somehow reduced. Some have an urge to laugh out loud. But for me, I just noticed that all of a sudden things were very peaceful and still. Over time life gets like that, where I can be in a difficult or “annoying” situation and sit with perfect peace, knowing that as God tells us we don’t have to be upset just because we’ve judged our environment to be that kind of environment we should be upset about.

Things will happen. Jesus said conditions will keep getting worse. Don’t let that bother you, because He said it will happen and it will divide us. Are you going to live a living hell by worrying and fretting about the evil world, and then just hope for happiness after you die, or will your eyes be opened by the Lord to see the kingdom which is around us, in the disguise of a terrible place called Earth.

2 Kings 6
11 Greatly disturbed over this, the king of Aram called together his officers and asked them, “Will you not tell me who among us is for the king of Israel?”

12 “No one, my lord king,” answered one of the officers. “The Israelite prophet Elisha can tell the king of Israel the very words you speak in your bedroom.”

13 He said, “Go, find out where he is, so that I may take him captive.”
Informed that Elisha was in Dothan,
14 he sent there a strong force with horses and chariots. They arrived by night and encircled the city.

15 Early the next morning, when the servant of the man of God arose and went out, he saw the force with its horses and chariots surrounding the city. “Alas!” he said to Elisha. “What shall we do, my lord?”
16 Elisha answered, “Do not be afraid. Our side outnumbers theirs.”

17 Then he prayed, “O LORD, open his eyes, that he may see.” And the LORD opened the eyes of the servant, and he saw that the mountainside was filled with fiery chariots and horses around Elisha.

I’m not saying that you will hallucinate and see these visual sightings, but you will learn to see things in a different way.

So I say up your expectations and look for peace and joy and the rest of the fruit of the spirit, right now while you’re still alive. You will become a contagion that will infect many others with desire to answer God’s call.

MS
 
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