Patriotic music at Mass

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Digitonomy said:
Well now you’re changing your argument. I think this was a better tack to take from the start, that most patriotic music does not qualify as a liturgical chant.

However, you were just claiming that GIRM 48(4) prohibits all music not suited to the sacred action, [liturgical] day, or [liturgical] time of year. If your interpretation is true, a Lenten hymn could be acceptable during a St Patrick’s mass, or vice versa. But a hymn in memory of John Paul would not be appropriate to that specific mass(sacred action), nor to the liturgical day or time of year.

I would take a contrary view, that 48(4) is not intended to be read with [liturgical] in front of day and time of year.
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I know you like to contradict me, but, my statements have not been contradictory, not in the least.

When John Paul II died, our diocese had a Mass for the repose of his soul. It was somewhat funeral in nature.
 
It has absolutely no place whatsoever in Mass.

The Church is of all nationalities yet none, and so is the Mass. It should stay that way.

No political statements, no patriotic music.
 
benedictgal said:
When John Paul II died, our diocese had a Mass for the repose of his soul. It was somewhat funeral in nature.
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Memorial hymns at such a mass would be suited to the sacred action of that mass. However, I’m talking about the normal mass of the day, not a mass specifically dedicated to the repose of John Paul’s soul.

At such a normal mass, memorial hymns would not be appropriate if we follow your interpretation of GIRM 48(4).

I disagree that we must read “liturgical” into 48(4), and thus I think it’s permitted to have a true sacred hymn that doesn’t pertain to the mass itself but is related to the events of the day or time of year, whether liturgical or non-liturgical. However, how many patriotic songs actually qualify as entrance chants is questionable.
 
benedictgal said:
Then, during Easter, you chant the Regina Caeli, as this has been the traditional recessional hymn during the Easter season at the Papal Masses.
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Exactly. The Holy Father has authority of papal Masses and does not hold to all that has been propagated here. The use of Regina Caeli does not make the song an Easter song. Rather, it shows that a song need not be an Easter specific song to be used during that liturgical season. Nor does it need to pertain to the Gospel reading of the Resurrection.
 
I am very uncomfortable with patriot music at Mass. I am there to worship God not pay tribute to my country. Unfortunatly, these days my country does not always uphold the truths of my Religeon so I think it is inappropriate to sing patriotic songs at Mass. I do not sing when they do It goes against my conscience
 
pnewton said:
Exactly. The Holy Father has authority of papal Masses and does not hold to all that has been propagated here. The use of Regina Caeli does not make the song an Easter song. Rather, it shows that a song need not be an Easter specific song to be used during that liturgical season. Nor does it need to pertain to the Gospel reading of the Resurrection.
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Actually, the Regina Caeli is an Easter hymn with a Marian context. Look at the words:

Queen of heaven, rejoice, Alleluia!
For the Son you merited to bear, Alleluia!
Has risen as He said, Alleluia!
Pray for us to God, Alleluia!

This is a loose translation, but, that is pretty much what the chant says.
 
I feel comfortable with patriotic music in a Christian/ Catholic country but what if youre in communist China?

The US, UK, and other Western countries in Europe maybe able to fit their countries into the kingdom of God but Mussolini had the “perfect” catholic country but was obviously too right wing.

Plus, sometimes even the US needs to be criticized, it can conform to the world, we are in the world but not of it.

Im rambling a bit arent I? 😃
 
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