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pnewton
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Again, from Sing to the Lord:
Liturgical music must always be chosen and sung “with due consideration for the
culture of the people and abilities of each liturgical assembly.”57
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Liturgical music must always be chosen and sung “with due consideration for the
culture of the people and abilities of each liturgical assembly.”57
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FAB
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Talk about twist the GIRM to make your own point.LOL. I don’t think so. Here is what the GIRM says of the entrance:
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foster the unity of those who have been gathered, introduce their thoughts to the mystery of the liturgical season or festivity, and accompany the procession of the priest and ministers.*
There is no other instructions given in the GIRM as to music. Sing to the Lord says:
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usccb.org/liturgy/SingToTheLord.pdf
I found nothing upon which your statement could be based. Might I suggest you tell us where you came up with your statement? If it is your opinion, that is fine, except in as far as you accuse others of error for disagreeing with a personal opinion you hold. I personally choose music reflect of the Gospel, any of the readings or the occasion. For example, I sang O Sanctissima on Mother’s Day, I refuse to accept this as an error unless you can give some pretty black and white evidence. I do not think the Church holds your opinion.
*introduce their thoughts to the mystery of the **liturgical *season or festivity
notice it says liturgical, not secular, not patriotic.
That is the written black and white evidence
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FAB
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Once again a misread. The culture of the people is the style of music as long as it is sacred and reflects the liturgy. With your interpettion a youth mass should use song from Lady Gaga, since that is their culure.Again, from Sing to the Lord:
Liturgical music must always be chosen and sung “with due consideration for the
culture of the people and abilities of each liturgical assembly.”57
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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Yes I am. How is that revelant. We are all Americans that was over a 100 years ago and although there is much reginal pride in this counrty I do believe that most all are proud to be Americans. I mean it is 2011 not 1865.Are you not familiar with the Civil War?
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ChiRho
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It’s an explanation as to why many do not enjoy the Battle Hymn being playedYes I am. How is that revelant. We are all Americans that was over a 100 years ago and although there is much reginal pride in this counrty I do believe that most all are proud to be Americans. I mean it is 2011 not 1865.
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benedictgal
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True, but, the song still has a lot of negative feelings. A friend of mine said that the Yankees were singing this song as they were torching his ancestors’ barn, according to family accounts.Yes I am. How is that revelant. We are all Americans that was over a 100 years ago and although there is much reginal pride in this counrty I do believe that most all are proud to be Americans. I mean it is 2011 not 1865.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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I guess I am lucky I can sing The Battle Hymn of the Republic and Dixie and like them both.True, but, the song still has a lot of negative feelings. A friend of mine said that the Yankees were singing this song as they were torching his ancestors’ barn, according to family accounts.
Maybe they need to pray to have those really old resentments let go. I mean really it was a long time ago and the war between to state is over.
What the old saying " Offer it up"
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pnewton
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Yes. the liturgical season, not the Gospel. I did not twist the GIRM. I quoted it it.Talk about twist the GIRM to make your own point.
*introduce their thoughts to the mystery of the **liturgical ***season or festivity
notice it says liturgical, not secular, not patriotic.
That is the written black and white evidence
Understand, that I do no find this credible, this sort of insertion of opinion instead of fact. I quoted mine, not you quote yours. The context of my quote was your unsubstantiated statement.Once again a misread. The culture of the people is the style of music as long as it is sacred and reflects the liturgy. With your interpettion a youth mass should use song from Lady Gaga, since that is their culure.
So, can you back this up, I ask a second time, or can you just say that others are wrong, in error, misreading, based on your own opinions? Until you do, I will continue to do as I do and follow what the Church really teaches, not undocumented opinions posted here.Those who think that the opening and closing hymns do not need to continue to refect the messages of the Gospel and don’t need to be sacred music are in error.
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exnihilo
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If that attitude were universally held to then it might carry some weight. But as southerners we are forbidden by political correctness from singing Dixie, which is a nice, friendly song, that talks about the love one has for their native land, simply because it is associated with the South. If we cant sing a happy song about our region I dont see why I should abide other folks singing a war song about destroying that region.Yes I am. How is that revelant. We are all Americans that was over a 100 years ago and although there is much reginal pride in this counrty I do believe that most all are proud to be Americans. I mean it is 2011 not 1865.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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I sing Dixie. Why Can’t you? I listen to an Old Elvis album that has Him sing an combination of the Battle Hymn and and Dixie together. If you want to sing a song sing it. I more people started acting like that maybe that attitude would become more universally held.If that attitude were universally held to then it might carry some weight. But as southerners we are forbidden by political correctness from singing Dixie, which is a nice, friendly song, that talks about the love one has for their native land, simply because it is associated with the South. If we cant sing a happy song about our region I dont see why I should abide other folks singing a war song about destroying that region.
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FAB
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The books on liturgy go beyond just the GIRM. So this is just not opinion it is my training not only as a liturgist but as a Deacon.Yes. the liturgical season, not the Gospel. I did not twist the GIRM. I quoted it it.
Understand, that I do no find this credible, this sort of insertion of opinion instead of fact. I quoted mine, not you quote yours. The context of my quote was your unsubstantiated statement.
So, can you back this up, I ask a second time, or can you just say that others are wrong, in error, misreading, based on your own opinions? Until you do, I will continue to do as I do and follow what the Church really teaches, not undocumented opinions posted here.
From what I took,you tried to twist the GIRM to include seasonal, not the church season but secular holidays as well which is not what it means.
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benedictgal
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However, Elvis was not singing this in a liturgical context.I sing Dixie. Why Can’t you? I listen to an Old Elvis album that has Him sing an combination of the Battle Hymn and and Dixie together. If you want to sing a song sing it. I more people started acting like that maybe that attitude would become more universally held.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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And those singing during the recessional after Mass are not burning down a southern farmers Barn.However, Elvis was not singing this in a liturgical context.
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exnihilo
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I can sing it, but it has been banned at places like Ole Miss. Singing it in many contexts is forbidden and there could be political and economic consequences to singing it. Elvis sang what he called the American Trilogy. I like him singing most anything, but don’t care for the meaning of the song. The Battle Hymn is a rousing tune which is why Georgia uses it as their fight song.I sing Dixie. Why Can’t you? I listen to an Old Elvis album that has Him sing an combination of the Battle Hymn and and Dixie together. If you want to sing a song sing it. I more people started acting like that maybe that attitude would become more universally held.
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benedictgal
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However, it’s still not appropriate for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.And those singing during the recessional after Mass are not burning down a southern farmers Barn.
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sistermouse
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I agree.However, it’s still not appropriate for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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That keeps being said and I have to keep asking other that the title of the Song what part is not apprpriate? NO one as been able to show anything that is not apprpriate as Most evey verse is a referrence to Scripture.However, it’s still not appropriate for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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FAB
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We have, you just don’t want to agree.That keeps being said and I have to keep asking other that the title of the Song what part is not apprpriate? NO one as been able to show anything that is not apprpriate as Most evey verse is a referrence to Scripture.
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TheMc
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Are you serious? You really think there’s nothing wrong with singing ELVIS in church?!?!?That keeps being said and I have to keep asking other that the title of the Song what part is not apprpriate? NO one as been able to show anything that is not apprpriate as Most evey verse is a referrence to Scripture.
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Cavaille-Coll
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“This is My Song” seems neutral and innocuous enough, but the tune comes from Jean Sibelius’ tone poem “Finlandia.” It was written with the intention of becoming Finland’s national anthem (it hasn’t yet, but many would like it to be) and is considered an important patriotic song in Finland about their fight against Russia. A very nice melody, but not entirely a neutral one.
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