Patronal Feast Days

[JMJ_coder]

The Patron(ess) of a Diocese (or parish, order, etc.) is, according to the Table of Liturgical Precedence, a Solemnity.

What do we do as laity for the Liturgy of the Hours if there are no propers listed or even mention of the feast on the calender? How do we celebrated the Solemnity?

 

[MarkThompson]

The Patron(ess) of a Diocese (or parish, order, etc.) is, according to the Table of Liturgical Precedence, a Solemnity.

What do we do as laity for the Liturgy of the Hours if there are no propers listed or even mention of the feast on the calender? How do we celebrated the Solemnity?

My experience with this is highly limited, but don’t you use the propers for the appropriate class – confessor, martyr, whichever he or she was?

 

[FrDavid96]

My experience with this is highly limited, but don’t you use the propers for the appropriate class – confessor, martyr, whichever he or she was?

That’s right. Use the appropriate “common.” If there’s more than one (like bishop & martyr or virgin & confessor) then simply pick one.

 

[Spirithound]

And if there is no Proper concluding prayer, there is one provided in the Commons (except for Commons of Apostles), where there is a rubric to insert their name.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Thanks.

One more question, does this also apply for personal patrons? For an example, say one had a personal devotion to Saint Christopher – a Saint who is no longer on the calendar or perhaps another that never was or is on an Eastern/Oriental Catholic Calendar – would this also apply?

 

[FrDavid96]

Thanks.

One more question, does this also apply for personal patrons? For an example, say one had a personal devotion to Saint Christopher – a Saint who is no longer on the calendar or perhaps another that never was or is on an Eastern/Oriental Catholic Calendar – would this also apply?

Mostly yes.

For starters, since you’re praying the office privately (as opposed to an official parish celebration), you may celebrate those days if you choose.

Here’s what the General Instruction says:
243. In individual celebration, the calendar of the place, or ones own calendar may be followed except on proper solemnities and feasts.

As long as the day isn’t a proper solemnity or feast, yes, you can celebrate that saint if you choose. To put this into perspective, what the Church is saying here is that this is different from a parish celebration, or one in a monastic community, where one person is imposing his own personal preference on the rest of the community. If you’re alone and you want to celebrate a certain saint, then you’re unanimous in that.

For clarity here, the words “ones own calendar” does not mean a private calendar. It refers more to the calendar of ones home diocese if he is travelling, or the calendar for the religious order if a priest is stationed in a diocesan parish, or similar examples. However, the principle still applies.

Keep in mind that you’re still praying the office, and this is the most important value here. The office itself won’t change, only your choice of text will change.

As long as it’s not a proper solemnity or feast, then by all means feel free to pray the appropriate hours for any saints you choose, in private.

 

[Spirithound]

The Patron(ess) of a Diocese (or parish, order, etc.) is, according to the Table of Liturgical Precedence, a Solemnity.

What do we do as laity for the Liturgy of the Hours if there are no propers listed or even mention of the feast on the calender? How do we celebrated the Solemnity?

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I’ve just looked this up, to answer the question which Father David so eloquently did
and it says that the Principal Patron(ess) of a Diocese constitutes a feast, not a Solemnity. I understand this is the difference of whether to pray “anticipated Vespers” or not. Can someone resolve this?

 

[stephraim]

Mostly yes.

For starters, since you’re praying the office privately (as opposed to an official parish celebration), you may celebrate those days if you choose.

Here’s what the General Instruction says:
243. In individual celebration, the calendar of the place, or ones own calendar may be followed except on proper solemnities and feasts.

As long as the day isn’t a proper solemnity or feast, yes, you can celebrate that saint if you choose. To put this into perspective, what the Church is saying here is that this is different from a parish celebration, or one in a monastic community, where one person is imposing his own personal preference on the rest of the community. If you’re alone and you want to celebrate a certain saint, then you’re unanimous in that.

For clarity here, the words “ones own calendar” does not mean a private calendar. It refers more to the calendar of ones home diocese if he is travelling, or the calendar for the religious order if a priest is stationed in a diocesan parish, or similar examples. However, the principle still applies.

Keep in mind that you’re still praying the office, and this is the most important value here. The office itself won’t change, only your choice of text will change.

As long as it’s not a proper solemnity or feast, then by all means feel free to pray the appropriate hours for any saints you choose, in private.

This is how I was instructed to do it. In fact, I believe in the English translation of the GIRM we find this as 355 c.:

 On the weekdays in Ordinary Time, it is possible to choose either a weekday Mass, or the Mass of an optional memorial which happens to occur on that day, or the Mass of any Saint listed in the Martyrology for that day, or a Mass for Various Needs, or a Votive Mass.

While this is about the Holy Mass, the same may hold true for the Office, though don’t quote me on that.

 

[FrDavid96]

This is how I was instructed to do it. In fact, I believe in the English translation of the GIRM we find this as 355 c.:

 On the weekdays in Ordinary Time, it is possible to choose either a weekday Mass, or the Mass of an optional memorial which happens to occur on that day, or the Mass of any Saint listed in the Martyrology for that day, or a Mass for Various Needs, or a Votive Mass.

While this is about the Holy Mass, the same may hold true for the Office, though don’t quote me on that.

Sure. It makes sense that the same principles would apply.

There is a *General Instruction of the Liturgy of the Hours *which is printed in-full in the opening pages of volume one of the 4-volume *Liturgy of the Hours *(the only source I’ve yet been able to find). The single volume only has a summary. Both this and the GIRM (for Mass) use as their source the General Norms for the Liturgical Year, so the information is going to be consistent for both Hours and Mass (which is to be expected).

 

[AJV]

The Patron(ess) of a Diocese (or parish, order, etc.) is, according to the Table of Liturgical Precedence, a Solemnity.

What do we do as laity for the Liturgy of the Hours if there are no propers listed or even mention of the feast on the calender? How do we celebrated the Solemnity?

Actually I have long wondered about the times when this is the case of a feast of the Lord e.g. Holy Redeemer, Holy Name (well, now we have one), Precious Blood, etc. Now, for many titles of the Lord, I have got propers from other Particular Calendars, usually religious Congregations, but I would like to know what the procedure is. Observe the Patronal/Titular Feast on the Transfiguration? Or on its old day, and get approved Propers (which seems slightly wrong since I seem to recall that there is a document from the CDW explictly saying that approved Propers are approved for specific people or congregations and can’t be used by others)

 

[stephraim]

Actually I have long wondered about the times when this is the case of a feast of the Lord e.g. Holy Redeemer, Holy Name (well, now we have one), Precious Blood, etc. Now, for many titles of the Lord, I have got propers from other Particular Calendars, usually religious Congregations, but I would like to know what the procedure is. Observe the Patronal/Titular Feast on the Transfiguration? Or on its old day, and get approved Propers (which seems slightly wrong since I seem to recall that there is a document from the CDW explictly saying that approved Propers are approved for specific people or congregations and can’t be used by others)

I recall a statement like that, but I too cannot remember where I saw it. It seems that the patronal/titular solemnity, as no. 4 on the Table of Liturgical Days, would take precedence over the Transfiguration, no. 5, though the patronal/titular feast, no. 8, would not.

 

[JMJ_coder]

I’ve just looked this up, to answer the question which Father David so eloquently did
and it says that the Principal Patron(ess) of a Diocese constitutes a feast, not a Solemnity. I understand this is the difference of whether to pray “anticipated Vespers” or not. Can someone resolve this?

Yes, according to the Table of Liturgical Days, the Patron of a Diocese is a feast – which I find strange, especially considering other Patron feasts are solemnities.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Sure. It makes sense that the same principles would apply.

There is a *General Instruction of the Liturgy of the Hours *which is printed in-full in the opening pages of volume one of the 4-volume *Liturgy of the Hours *(the only source I’ve yet been able to find). The single volume only has a summary. Both this and the GIRM (for Mass) use as their source the General Norms for the Liturgical Year, so the information is going to be consistent for both Hours and Mass (which is to be expected).

One can find it at several locations online, such as here at EWTN. One can also purchase it here from the USCCB Publishing House.

 

[AJV]

I recall a statement like that, but I too cannot remember where I saw it. It seems that the patronal/titular solemnity, as no. 4 on the Table of Liturgical Days, would take precedence over the Transfiguration, no. 5, though the patronal/titular feast, no. 8, would not.

I phrased my post somewhat confusingly - my apologies

The Transfiguration is the ‘default’ Titular feast for churches dedicated to Christ just as the ‘Assumption’ is the ‘default’ feast for churches dedciated to Mary. What I was curious about was for churches named after the Precious Blood, for example, what would be the procedure? Celebrate on July 1, and if so with what texts? Or celebrate the Transfiguration on August 6 with no mention of the Precious Blood.

 

[stephraim]

I phrased my post somewhat confusingly - my apologies

The Transfiguration is the ‘default’ Titular feast for churches dedicated to Christ just as the ‘Assumption’ is the ‘default’ feast for churches dedciated to Mary. What I was curious about was for churches named after the Precious Blood, for example, what would be the procedure? Celebrate on July 1, and if so with what texts? Or celebrate the Transfiguration on August 6 with no mention of the Precious Blood.

Ah, sorry. I’m honestly not sure what to use in that case.

 

[Spirithound]

I phrased my post somewhat confusingly - my apologies

The Transfiguration is the ‘default’ Titular feast for churches dedicated to Christ just as the ‘Assumption’ is the ‘default’ feast for churches dedciated to Mary. What I was curious about was for churches named after the Precious Blood, for example, what would be the procedure? Celebrate on July 1, and if so with what texts? Or celebrate the Transfiguration on August 6 with no mention of the Precious Blood.

I would imagine that the Church of the Precious Blood would celebrate its Patronal Solemnity on Corpus Christi.

 

[MarkThompson]

For whoever might still be interested, I was glancing at the GILH and came across no. 224, which I believe is the genuine answer to the OP’s question:
224. Where proper parts are not given, they are supplied from the respective Common of Saints.