Paul never went to Rome

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I have seen non-Catholic Christains (and perhaps some non-Christians) claim that Paul never made it to Rome, supposidly based on Scripture. I do not understand this concept, when Acts of the Apostles refutes it. Acts 28:16-31 starts with the phrase "when we arrived in Rome, Paul was allowed to live by himself. Can someone clerify this? Or is my memory poor?
 
I have never heard such a thing. Can you give any reference or idea of who said this? As you say, Acts clearly indicates that Paul was in Rome.

Some people disagree that Peter went to Rome but that is a different issue. I have no reason do doubt he did.
 
I’ll try to dig it up again. It seems like it was a Protestant of the modern non-denominational evangelical varity.
 
Well, I must be crazy. I cannot find the posts on here or any website. I knew my memory was failing.

I have heard people claim that Peter never went, but like you, i find that there is evidence to the contrary
 
Umm…I stood in the prison of Peter and Paul. I physically was there. Paul was beheaded in Rome and Peter crucified upside down in Rome. It states that he is in Rome in his letters.
 
Umm…I stood in the prison of Peter and Paul. I physically was there. Paul was beheaded in Rome and Peter crucified upside down in Rome. It states that he is in Rome in his letters.
I know. I thought someone had a website to the contrary, but I was wrong

mea culpa
 
I have seen non-Catholic Christains (and perhaps some non-Christians) claim that Paul never made it to Rome, supposidly based on Scripture. I do not understand this concept, when Acts of the Apostles refutes it. Acts 28:16-31 starts with the phrase "when we arrived in Rome, Paul was allowed to live by himself. Can someone clerify this? Or is my memory poor?
Anyone who says this really is a heretic and obviously can’t read.
 
I have seen non-Catholic Christains (and perhaps some non-Christians) claim that Paul never made it to Rome, supposidly based on Scripture. I do not understand this concept, when Acts of the Apostles refutes it. Acts 28:16-31 starts with the phrase "when we arrived in Rome, Paul was allowed to live by himself. Can someone clerify this? Or is my memory poor?
Perhaps you meant to say Peter. There are many who argue that Peter never went to Rome but I have never heard anyone say that Paul never went. Of course, either way, those who claim that either or both never made it to Rome are incorrect. BOTH Peter and Paul were martyred in Rome.
 
I have known quiet a few people lately who believe this. And they are nuts,. First they want to kick Paul out of the bible, then they start chopping away at the Divinity of Christ. Most also believe in the serpent seed line. That Eve was seduced by Satan, with more than just the apple…

They teach that Paul of Tarsus was a Pharisee and he infiltrated the Church and that his writings should not have been included in the Bible. Goes back to catholic bashing, they believe his writings grafted Jesus, God’s messenger, (again with the Jesus is not God craziness) into what they see as the pagan God-Man (such as Mithra) myths.

They do not like who we see as Jews yet they believe they are the pureline from Adam, the real jews. They have a few points in common with the Christian Identity movement.
 
I finally found one. I was speaking to a non-denominational yesterday. He says that he is in the process of starting a church “like the early ones.” Anyway, we spoke about Peter being pope. He had the usual lines, including that he never went to Rome. After we discussed this for a while, he told me that while Paul did go to Rome, it was not under his own free will and he was never able to organize the church there. Because of this, the Roman church never grew beyond a small christian community until the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Constantine.

Summary: Paul was there, but he was not allowed to preach or “start” the church there, Peter never made it and it was 400 years before there was a church in Rome.
 
I finally found one. I was speaking to a non-denominational yesterday. He says that he is in the process of starting a church “like the early ones.” Anyway, we spoke about Peter being pope. He had the usual lines, including that he never went to Rome. After we discussed this for a while, he told me that while Paul did go to Rome, it was not under his own free will and he was never able to organize the church there. Because of this, the Roman church never grew beyond a small christian community until the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Constantine.

Summary: Paul was there, but he was not allowed to preach or “start” the church there, Peter never made it and it was 400 years before there was a church in Rome.
Oh my God, no matter what we tell you, it’s like “Protestant Tunnel Vision” all over again. I WAS THERE, I WAS IN ROME IN THE CELL OF PETER AND PAUL, I HAVE SEEN THE CHAINS THAT HELD ST. PETER, come on people, what is wrong with you??

You are so misled, so misguided, I feel sorry for you.
 
Oh my God, no matter what we tell you, it’s like “Protestant Tunnel Vision” all over again. I WAS THERE, I WAS IN ROME IN THE CELL OF PETER AND PAUL, I HAVE SEEN THE CHAINS THAT HELD ST. PETER, come on people, what is wrong with you??

You are so misled, so misguided, I feel sorry for you.
I don’t beleive Paul wasn’t there. I know he was. I know Peter was too.
 
Perhaps you meant to say Peter. There are many who argue that Peter never went to Rome but I have never heard anyone say that Paul never went. Of course, either way, those who claim that either or both never made it to Rome are incorrect. BOTH Peter and Paul were martyred in Rome.
Quite true.

This may clear this up.
 
ralphinal;:
Summary: Paul was there, but he was not allowed to preach or “start” the church there,
Acts 29 puts paid to the idea that Paul didn’t preach in Rome. Between the Pauline Epistles,and Acts,we have records for six or seven missionary journeys that Paul took. (I’m looking at a timeline that has Paul preaching in Londonium, in addition to seven other missionary journeys. At least one other supposed missionary journey is not described as such in the New Testament.)

The journey to Rome might have been involuntary, but not unplanned. The internal evidence suggests that Paul made at least one, and possibly two or three missionary journeys that are not directly recorded in the New Testament.
Peter never made it and it was 400 years before there was a church in Rome.
Whilst it is questionable that Peter made it to Rome, a church was established there before AD 70. ( One of the Christ-mythists argues that a church was established there circa 40 AD.)

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Hebrews seems to have been written in Rome, or at least among Italians somewhere, if it was written by Paul.

Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

Hebrews 13:24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.
 
Acts 29 puts paid to the idea that Paul didn’t preach in Rome. Between the Pauline Epistles,and Acts,we have records for six or seven missionary journeys that Paul took. (I’m looking at a timeline that has Paul preaching in Londonium, in addition to seven other missionary journeys. At least one other supposed missionary journey is not described as such in the New Testament.)

The journey to Rome might have been involuntary, but not unplanned. The internal evidence suggests that Paul made at least one, and possibly two or three missionary journeys that are not directly recorded in the New Testament.

Whilst it is questionable that Peter made it to Rome, a church was established there before AD 70. ( One of the Christ-mythists argues that a church was established there circa 40 AD.)

xan

jonathon
Peter wrote his epistles from Rome
Both Peter and Paul were martyred in Rome. As far as historical writings claiming they both were in Rome

catholic.com/library/Peter_Roman_Residency.asp
starting with Ignatius bishop of Antioch. He is martyred in Rome 107A.D. .
 
Whilst it is questionable that Peter made it to Rome, a church was established there before AD 70. ( One of the Christ-mythists argues that a church was established there circa 40 AD.)

xan

jonathon
Paul’s letter to the Romans was written to the Church at Rome. At the time of this letter, the Church at Rome was already established. Such that the Faith of the Roman Church was already heard all over the world

Rm 1:

7* To all God’s beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8* First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world. 9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you always in my prayers, 10* asking that somehow by God’s will I may now at last succeed in coming to you. 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you, 12 that is, that we may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith, both yours and mine. 13* I want you to know, brethren, that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been prevented

In closing, Paul warns them about the evils of division. Those who break from this Church don’t serve God but their own bellies.

Rm 16:

17* I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them. 18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, * and by fair and flattering words they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded. 19* For while your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, I would have you wise as to what is good and guileless as to what is evil; 20* then the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

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