Paul the enemy of Jesus?

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b_justb said:
Acts 9:
In Christianity we believe in forgiveness and redemption. Saint Paul is an excellent example of both.
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My Catholic friends ( and of course one Orthodox) please see and appreciate the credence of Paul, he smells that Jesus alongwith Mary is gone to far off lands in search of the Lost Tribes of the Israel, for good; so he works out a Vision of risen Jesus, finds easy to get hold of an opportunity to tear the sheep as the shepherd is away.

The Christ is gone, so his opposite/ anti is there to work for his plans.

Thanks

St. Paul the Apostle spoke about Jesus killing on Cross in 1 Cor 15:

[17] **If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. **[18] Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. Unquote

Now, in my opinion, as you know that Jesus was not killed on Cross, so according to Paul, Catholic viewpoint is not proved; needs to be revised.
 
I think what he was reading into was a division between the early teachers of Chrisitanity. Before the council of Nicea there was no Roman Catholic church. These accounts of apostles who disaggred with each other were most likely Gnostic christians. You have to understand that at that time people were unsure about the resurrection, Jesus and his role, and about how what Jesus taught led to salvation. Many heretical documents point to these heated debates and differences. After the Council though, everything that didnt show unity was thrown out, so naturally people dont see it today. The Catholic church acknowledges that there was division between Christian sects back then. Some of that division you might still see in certain passages of the bible.
 
Abraxsis said:
You have to understand that at that time people were unsure about the resurrection, Jesus and his role, and about how what Jesus taught led to salvation. Many - - - documents point to these heated debates and differences.
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Have you any access to such documents about resurrection of Jesus and his role, from which Paul made most of it?

Please present for benefit of the Catholics here.

Thank you

There is only one Covenant.
The covenant has been the same, as first time it is mentioned in Bible with reference to Noah; and from Noah to date, nobody could change it; if at all one could confirm it or revive it or face the Wrath of GodAllahYHWH.
 
I reallywish you’d stop telling me what I believe. I completely do know that Jesus was put to death on a cross.

Your views on St. Paul are very mistaken.

The Catholic viewpoint on Christ does not need to be revised.
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paarsurrey:
Now, in my opinion, as you know that Jesus was not killed on Cross, so according to Paul, Catholic viewpoint is not proved; needs to be revised.
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was does Paul have to do with Jesus’ resurrection or crucifixion?maybe it was Paul who"made it appear"to all people to trick them?😃

I am still waiting for an intelligent argument against Paul
 
jesusluv said:
I think **paarsurrey needs to maybe quit watching The Last Temptation of Christ.
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And more Passion of the Christ.👍

Btw that’s not as ridicluous as you might think. When it came out, it was the hotest bootleg in the Middle East, including in Saudi Arabia. My favorite was, I believe Kuwait, where the Shi’ite imams said it was fine to show and see it, and the Sunnis were going for banning it.
 
paarsurrey said:
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I just quote two passages from NTBible:

Acts 8
On that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. 2Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him. 3But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.

Acts 9
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.

This show very clearly animosity of Saul/Paul towards Jesus and his disciples, more than evident.

Thanks

Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his friends.
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Ever read the story Umar’s conversion, paarsurey?
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

I just quote two passages from NTBible:

Acts 8
On that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. 2Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him. 3But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.

Acts 9
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.

This show very clearly animosity of Saul/Paul towards Jesus and his disciples, more than evident.

Thanks

Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his friends.
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And that’s why he risked death and died for Him and them.

Read Galatians 1.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

My Catholic friends ( and of course one Orthodox) please see and appreciate the credence of Paul, he smells that Jesus alongwith Mary is gone to far off lands in search of the Lost Tribes of the Israel, for good; so he works out a Vision of risen Jesus, finds easy to get hold of an opportunity to tear the sheep as the shepherd is away.

The Christ is gone, so his opposite/ anti is there to work for his plans.

Thanks

St. Paul the Apostle spoke about Jesus killing on Cross in 1 Cor 15:

[17] **If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. **[18] Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. Unquote

Now, in my opinion, as you know that Jesus was not killed on Cross, so according to Paul, Catholic viewpoint is not proved; needs to be revised.
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As St.Paul knew those at the Crucifixion and your mahdi live nearly two thousand years later, I’m taking St. Paul’s word.

BTW has our friend ever answered the many questioners for proof of his Kashmir story,etc.? I think you should take his silence, if he hasn’t, as an admission that S/HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT S/HE IS TALKIGN ABOUT.

I post this but don’t know if I’ll see it. Usually I stay in Eastern Chrisitian, and deal with our friend here only when killing time.
 
b_justb said:
I reallywish you’d stop telling me what I believe. I completely do know that Jesus was put to death on a cross.

Your views on St. Paul are very mistaken.

The Catholic viewpoint on Christ does not need to be revised.
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As I have posted elsewhere, as everyone involved and present, Jews, Romans, Christians, agreed that Christ was crucified, the onus is on our friend to produce proof (heck I’ll take contemporary hearsay) that the Crucifixion didn’t take place.

If s/he fails to do so, we can take it as an admission that s/he has no case.
 
inJESUS said:
naaa :much ado about nothing 😉

maybe if you show himthat Muhammad plagiarized Paul’s words in his sunna, he’d think again about his argument.
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Allah most high has said I have prepared for My servants what eye has not seen, nor ear hear nor occur to to the hear of man.
Numerous collections of tradition.
Including St. Paul I Corinthians 2.9
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Allah most high has said I have prepared for My servants what eye has not seen, nor ear hear nor occur to to the hear of man.
Numerous collections of tradition.
Including St. Paul I Corinthians 2.9
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So Paul plagiarized from the Koran? :eek:

(:D)
 
paarsurrey said:
Now, in my opinion, as you know that Jesus was not killed on Cross, so according to Paul, Catholic viewpoint is not proved; needs to be revised.
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Um… we do think Jesus was killed on the Cross. it’s kinda obvious he was. The kind of stuff he went through would have killed pretty much anyone, especially in the state he was in from loss of blood and dehyrdation. Sorry. You’re not making any sense, paarsurrey.
 
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