Pay for Lay Spiritual Direction?

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I was able to pay more than the average person due to my higher income. She didn’t ask for or require that amount.

As for whether the graduate certificate program in spiritual direction, I have a deep background in theology, scripture, and spirituality that would probably exceed most undergraduate programs, and I’ve taken several courses at the undergrad and grad level. People were admitted into the program only if they could do grad level work.
Again, other than their description, what made these classes “grad level work?” Was it really a matter of “if you don’t have at least three units each of christologie, phenomenology and psychology you’ll be lost in this course?”
 
If you do not want to pay, you do not have to. Just remember that in a lot of cases you get what you pay for and that the number of good spiritual directors is limited and they do not have an obligation to work with you, priests are few and busy while religious people have their own obligations. My suggestion is to talk to the diocesan person in charge of spiritual direction instead of arguing here and calling people incompetents or greedy because you feel that their education is not good enough.
Do you really think this metric is appropriate in this case? I knew I should just have ignored the bulletin notice. Just like most everyone else does I suspect.
 
Is it considered OK within the Church to pay for spiritual direction? There are a group of women at my parish who have supposedly been trained by “Spiritual Directors International” who often have a notice in the parish bulletin. I suspect that “business is not good.” The ad says:

“Companions or Spiritual Directors who have completed a period of formation are available for you. At XYX, we are blessed with people who are willing to walk with you on your faith journey.”

I looked at some of the names and they didn’t appear to be competent enough to teach RCIA.
We have four priests at my parish and two deacons. Seems like maybe they should be taking this on? At the very least the “formed” laity shouldn’t be paying for the “service.” Thoughts?
Be careful. Ask for people who have been trained as spiritual directors. No one should be calling themselves a “spiritual director” without certification/classes in direction. I had a spiritual “advisor” for a time and it was a huge disaster. She encouraged a co-dependence that was unhealthy–I got to the point where I truly felt I could not do anything without talking to her first and we exchanged 20-30 emails a day. She was connected to my home parish priest and sadly, he encouraged the relationship. She had tremendous gifts but was a seriously damaged soul herself. She often prayed over people for healing and was looked up to as a “guru” of sorts. Yet she encouraged my total dependence on her. Needless to say I became more and more dysfunctional, angry, confused, and argumentative. I wasn’t growing I was regressing. Sadly neither her nor the priest saw it for what it was and it ended in a huge fallout with the priest, because I wanted him to “tell me what to do” in regards to Confession. Sadly he should have done that and discouraged the dependency in the other areas. It was like I was being overly monitored in every area except where the priest should have been advising; the sacraments. After the huge blow up, the priest cut me off of everything…confession, advising, praying over me, etc.

I wrote this “advisor” in tears after being yelled at and chewed out in the priest’s office. I told her what happened and she completely cut me off cold turkey. No notice, nothing. I was in very serious condition psychologically. I contemplated suicide because I caved in to self-hatred. Instead of seeing my part in it and dealing with that I took it all on. After all, who dumps you like that? I must be a real loser with no hope of eternal life with God. I remember going to another church for adoration and sobbing in that church for over an hour. I remember my terror, “Jesus I can’t access you anymore. Please give me a sign if you are here. I’m scared. Oh I don’t care, ring a bell, give me some tissue, whatever.” Suddenly a woman came over and handed me tissue, and said, “I don’t know what you’re struggling with honey but it’s OK” she pointed to the monstrance, “Jesus is here”. Immediately the church bells started ringing. So there it was, my flip requests/signs were given that I CAN come to Jesus on my own. I have slowly found my way back. I am now on a mood stabilizing medication and I have found a loving friend and she helps me with spiritual advise now and again (she’s a busy mom of teenagers) and is balanced and healthy. I have a couple priests that I found that are helpful, loving, and keep healthy boundaries. The other priest was moved and I’m just now meeting our new priest. I’m torn between 2 parishes right now and not receiving any word on where I should go.

I would say be very careful, as people who call themselves “spiritual directors” should have completed a course of study and someone who says they are an “advisor” is strictly a lay person and may not have a lick of training.

I still have much forgiveness work to do re this priest and so-called advisor but I am now hating myself less and less and growing in my faith. It’s about balance and I had to learn that the hard way. I can find God…He’s never far away.

Take care and I will pray for you–and yes, most spiritual directors do ask for a donation but they should be up front about that from the start. It’s probably good so that you don’t become too dependent on them. Meeting once a month for an hour to an hour and a half is probably healthy and can give much insight. Just make sure they are certified in order to avoid the pain I went through.

Blessings to you,

Lorrie
 
For the most part, this is correct. Pastoral care/counseling and spiritual direction are 2 different things.
All of the priests I know had no “formal” training in seminary regarding spiritual direction. They all had to take 2 or 3 pastoral care & counseling classes, but that’s it. If they wanted more education in “spiritual direction” or to become “certified” it is something they do on their own.

Not every priest is cut out to be a spiritual director, but all priests have to now a little bit about it, as it is a form of “pastoral care”. It has been my experience that if ask a priest you know about SD, if it is something they are comfortable with, or have the time for, they will ususal help, if not they will usually point you in the right direction.
I REALLY hope you are wrong about that! That seems more like urban legend than anything else perpetuated by groups like “Spiritual Directors International.” If a priest doesn’t have the training to facilitate a single individual on their spiritual journey then they’ll have no chance at being good pastors. Apples and orange? No.
 
For the most part, this is correct. Pastoral care/counseling and spiritual direction are 2 different things.
All of the priests I know had no “formal” training in seminary regarding spiritual direction. They all had to take 2 or 3 pastoral care & counseling classes, but that’s it. If they wanted more education in “spiritual direction” or to become “certified” it is something they do on their own.

Not every priest is cut out to be a spiritual director, but all priests have to now a little bit about it, as it is a form of “pastoral care”. It has been my experience that if ask a priest you know about SD, if it is something they are comfortable with, or have the time for, they will ususal help, if not they will usually point you in the right direction.
There is a site you can google with a lot of info on Spiritual Direction headed by Dan Burke. I just came across myself so far there is good info. The site is Roman Catholic Spiritual Direction.
 
I would never pay for a spiritual director.
And that is your choice.
If you are lucky enough to live in a place where there are plenty of priest & deacons, who do spiritual direction as part of their ministry, you may be able to find a SD who does not charge a small fee (or according to a sliding scale).

And, this is not just directed at you TL, but to all who hold this opinion that one should not pay for spiritual direction, I ask why not? 🤷
Even though my SD is a priest who is paid by the parish, and even though it is not “required” of me, I donate a small amout of money to his favortie charity, in his name, for every direction session we have. Just my way of saying “thank you”.
 
Giving a donation as a token of appreciation is one thing, but being charged by the hour is another thing.

If I were to ever be a spiritual director and decided to take on a couple of people, it would be a ministry to me. A way for me to share with God’s people what he has taught me.

Sure I would take any small gifts, but I could not see myself charging anyone.

In all my praying for a spiritual director, it never occurred to me that some would expect to be paid by the hour.

In any case, personally, I would only go to a priest, friar or nun.
 
Again, entirely your choice!
And also not just directed at you, but others of the same mind, FWIW my SD (a priest) sees a lay-woman, whom he pays a small stipend to, as a SD. So if my priest and SD thinks that lay people can be good directors, who am I to question?

This woman is a well-known director in my area, had a PHD in Spiritual Theology, and is a certified Ignatian Spiritual Exercises retreat director. All of this training, she acquired on her own, and if any of you have been to grad school, you know it’s not cheap. She offers direction on a sliding scale fee and states outright that if payment is a problem, something can be worked out.

I really don’t understand this objection to paying someone for their time and their expertise. 🤷
Giving a donation as a token of appreciation is one thing, but being charged by the hour is another thing.

If I were to ever be a spiritual director and decided to take on a couple of people, it would be a ministry to me. A way for me to share with God’s people what he has taught me.

Sure I would take any small gifts, but I could not see myself charging anyone.

In all my praying for a spiritual director, it never occurred to me that some would expect to be paid by the hour.

In any case, personally, I would only go to a priest, friar or nun.
 
You and the OP seem to have a problem with it. I have also heard others in other threads and here in my diocese say the same thing.
I am trying to understand why.
I’m not so sure a lot of people have a problem with it in this thread.
 
I’m thinking the issue is what one expects to get from spiritual direction.

Maybe in my mind that comes from personal spiritual experience. For example, if I have a hard time praying the Rosary, but want to, I would expect that the person counseling me would either have a strong devotion to the Rosary or from counseling others who have that strong devotion, would be able to help me.

I would expect the person to have a lot of wisdom and discernment, which also comes with experience and also from a close walk with God.

Yes, they would bring a lot of their theological knowledge (you don’t want someone “unlearned” as St Teresa would say), but I wouldn’t be seeking “knowledge” per se.

Just because someone gets a masters in spiritual direction doesn’t mean they are necessarily a good spiritual director. And not every priest is a good spiritual director.

I would expect my spiritual director to help me grow in my spiritual life.

I guess I see it in a different way then what the reality is.

For me to have to shell out $60 - $80 for someone to help me grow spiritually, just doesn’t strike me as right.

And I am speaking for myself, which is why I said, I would not do it.
 
I’m thinking the issue is what one expects to get from spiritual direction.

Maybe in my mind that comes from personal spiritual experience. For example, if I have a hard time praying the Rosary, but want to, I would expect that the person counseling me would either have a strong devotion to the Rosary or from counseling others who have that strong devotion, would be able to help me.

I would expect the person to have a lot of wisdom and discernment, which also comes with experience and also from a close walk with God.

Yes, they would bring a lot of their theological knowledge (you don’t want someone “unlearned” as St Teresa would say), but I wouldn’t be seeking “knowledge” per se.

Just because someone gets a masters in spiritual direction doesn’t mean they are necessarily a good spiritual director. And not every priest is a good spiritual director.

I would expect my spiritual director to help me grow in my spiritual life.

I guess I see it in a different way then what the reality is.

For me to have to shell out $60 - $80 for someone to help me grow spiritually, just doesn’t strike me as right.

And I am speaking for myself, which is why I said, I would not do it.
If we have sown spiritual seed for you, is it a great thing that we reap a material harvest from you? (1 Corinthians 9:11)

A laborer deserves his wage.

-Tim-
 
If we have sown spiritual seed for you, is it a great thing that we reap a material harvest from you? (1 Corinthians 9:11)

A laborer deserves his wage.

-Tim-
And volunteers don’t? There is a lot of stuff I have done in my life when it comes to ministry without asking for pay.

People can spend their money as they like, but the same way Onewomen is not getting why an SD should not be paid, is the same way I am not getting why it is shocking that someone would be surprised that an SD would be paid.

But again, maybe I am not understanding what an SD is.
 
And volunteers don’t? There is a lot of stuff I have done in my life when it comes to ministry without asking for pay.

People can spend their money as they like, but the same way Onewomen is not getting why an SD should not be paid, is the same way I am not getting why it is shocking that someone would be surprised that an SD would be paid.

But again, maybe I am not understanding what an SD is.
I have done things out of my heart without asking for pay, too. We all have.

I’m not understanding why someone shouldn’t offer spiritual direction for a fee.
Psychologists charge a fee. Sports coaches charge a fee. There are “Career coaches” who charge to direct others in their search for a job. These are free to give their services away or charge for them as they see fit, and I don’t undestand why spiritual direction be any different, why it is wrong for them to be paid. If I have a proven track record of helping people achieve lives of serenity and joy, then why am I not free to charge for my services if that is what I want to do?

I guess I’m not understanding why you find it abhorrent that one charge moeny for spiritual help, vs purely psychological direction. Is it because spiritual direction has to do with things of God? We charge for Bibles, don’t we?

-Tim-
 
That is really strange, I think that it is something to stay away from. I would check with the diocese. Usually a diocese has an individual that is in charge of spiritual direction, I would look for that person and ask questions.
Thank you, I didn’t realize that the diocease had a list or someone in charge of guiding people toward spiritual direction. Also in a previous comment #26 on this site I mentioned another site specifically for “Roman Catholic Spiritual Direction” headed y Dan Burke. I went back for more info to share and here it is. He has written a book which will be out in late September called “Navigating the Spiritual Life” could be a book to be on the look for if interested.
 
Thank you, I didn’t realize that the diocease had a list or someone in charge of guiding people toward spiritual direction. Also in a previous comment #26 on this site I mentioned another site specifically for “Roman Catholic Spiritual Direction” headed y Dan Burke. I went back for more info to share and here it is. He has written a book which will be out in late September called “Navigating the Spiritual Life” could be a book to be on the look for if interested.
Our diocese doesn’t have a person in charge of guiding people toward spiritual direction. They could give you names of retreat houses but they don’t keep records of individual spiritual directors.
 
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