Pay more to creditors or in tithing?

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my husband and I have ‘acquired’:o roughly $5k in credit card debt…we make more than the minimum payments, montly…but we try to stick with our 10% tithing, weekly, for our parish. Should we pay off our credit cards first, and decrease our weekly tithing? Of course the ideal would be to do both–but we are also saving to move to Florida, SO…my husband thinks that we should make higher payments to the creditors, because God speaks of paying our debtors in the Bible, as being significant. I also know that if I lowered our tithing, we would probably pay off our debt much quicker–that is for sure.

Now, we should avoid getting into debt…but once you’ve accumulated some, where should the balance of your monthly income go? (as in prioritizing)

So–which is the smarter/moral route? I look forward to your replies.🙂
 
Borrowed money is not yours to give away. You can be as charitable as you want with YOUR money, but if you owe money to someone else, you don’t have the right to give it away, not even to charity. It’s the lender’s money, not yours.

Just my “two cents.”
 
Pay off your credit cards. The longer you delay the more money you pay in interest.

While you are reducing your tithe, you could contribute in other ways to the church. Volunteer to help out in an area where there is a need.
 
Gamera makes a good point, But I think tithing need not be restricted to monetory donations. Can you think of giving your time or talents for the church or any charitable institution?
 
Since you are making your minimum payments to the creditors, they are happy. They would be less happy if you paid it all off, because then they would make less money from you. You are fulfilling the terms of your loan.

You might want to sit down and figure how much you will end up paying the credit company if you keep that unpaid for several years as compared with paying it off in a period of 6 months (or whatever is feasible for you). If your credit card is charging 20% or something similar, you could be talking a difference of $1000 or more. That is $1000 extra free money you could have in your life, give to the Church, whatever. That is the difference between making payments each month of $200 compared with making payments of $800 each month to the credit card.

I think it depends on *your *priorities. If you can spare the money, make bigger payments to the credit card. If you must pay a dentist or something, then pay the dentist.

This is meant to be a practical post.
 
wow–great advice everyone. I actually am pretty active (from a time standpoint) in our parish…the whole family is, really…I think I will lower my monetary tithe, and get ahead of the debt situation. God doesn’t want us buried under debt, I would imagine this falls under living up to one’s responsibilities. In the Bible, God was quite explicit about charging too much interest though…wonder how He would view creditors these days.:o
 
I gave different advice from everyone else. Pray together about what you should give to God. You may hear a call to increase your tithing. Trust in God.

I was in a situation that is a bit different from yours - no debt, but no job either. After prayer my husband and I felt called to give more to God. We did. And we found that amazing things happened, such as the grocery bill beining smaller than expected although we did not stop buying anything we normally did…

God will not be out-done in generosity. Think about it.
 
I gave different advice from everyone else. Pray together about what you should give to God. You may hear a call to increase your tithing. Trust in God.

I was in a situation that is a bit different from yours - no debt, but no job either. After prayer my husband and I felt called to give more to God. We did. And we found that amazing things happened, such as the grocery bill beining smaller than expected although we did not stop buying anything we normally did…

God will not be out-done in generosity. Think about it.
Thank Joan–I have prayed to God for the amount we current give, but have been hearing some Christian financial advisors advising to pay down one’s debt…as well as tithe, but that getting out and staying out of debt is important to God, as well.

Is there a law of reciprocity in the Bible? I can vaguely recall a few verses, but most Christian CFP’s quote Scripture for exactly what you’re speaking of Joan.
 
this is advice we received at a similar point in our lives
consolidate as much as possible on one lower interest credit card.
take all the bills and cash that are left after you pay mortgage and utilities.
pay the minimum on the lower interest bills, and put the rest as a lump sum against the highest interest bill until it is paid. When that one is paid, take that money and apply it to the account with the next highest interest rate, and so forth. You can use another rule, pay the max on the bill with the lowest balance, when it is paid off, pay the max on the the next lowest balance etc.

do no new purchases durin gthis time
pay cash or not at all.
it is no savings to put money in a 6% savings account if you are paying 12%+ on a charge account.

cut up all credit cards, unless one of you needs one for business travel. that card should be locked in a drawer unless you are actually doing such travel (which hopefully will be reimbursed by employer, make sure that check goes to the credit card company and does not get spent on other things).

get on a cash basis using the old fashioned envelope method. when the money in the food envelope is gone, you eat cereal and toast.

as far as tithing, tithe from one of the envelopes for your discretionary spending, does not have to be 10% but an agreed amount or percent.
tithe your time and talent–volunteering at your Catholic school or CCD may get you a rebate on tuition and fees.
 
Remember, it’s our first fruits that we are to give to God… not whatever is left over.
 
Pay God first. He’ll make sure that the creditors don’t go hungry.
 
tithing involves a spirituality and a discipline, and continuing to work with your Christian financial advisors will contribute to that discipline, and further the spirituality behind tithing. I would go with their advice.
 
In my personal life, I believe that my credit card debt is a “personal” problem and I should go without as opposed to withholding the tithe money from my parish. I’m active in my parish and contribute in more ways than financial, but I still think I’m obligated to contribute financially within reason.

Currently, one of the biggest contributors to my credit card debt are all the Catholic books I’ve bought in the last year in order to learn about the Catholic faith (RCIA Class of '06). Go figure. :bigyikes:
 
tithing involves a spirituality and a discipline, and continuing to work with your Christian financial advisors will contribute to that discipline, and further the spirituality behind tithing. I would go with their advice.
Not all “Christian” financial counseling is in line with Church teaching. Some of it is a “health and wealth” gospel.
 
Not all “Christian” financial counseling is in line with Church teaching. Some of it is a “health and wealth” gospel.
I am referring to OPs counsellors, whom OP feels to be reliable, not all counsellors.
 
Pay God first. He’ll make sure that the creditors don’t go hungry.
are we really paying God?..I have always looked at tithing as a Godly principle because we are to trust God with our money, and through tithing, we can display that trust with giving away money (that is not ours, we are stewards over it) to parishes, charities, etc…

thank you for your advice…everyone. I will take it to heart…pray about it, and perhaps make adjustments. The thing is once one has accumulated some debt…one cannot just ignore it. I think that God frowns on ignoring our responsibilities to others, and paying off debt is one of those things. I do though agree with the poster who said ‘pay God first, and the debt will take care of itself.’ Because when we seek His righteousness, He will take care of everything else. I might also have to look at other areas of my spending, where I overdo it. Eating out, buying expensive creams and stuff at the mall, etc…in the end…if I have other responsibilities, I should do my best to pay those off, instead of splurging all the time.

I wish my husband took an interest in balancing the checkbook. It is no fun.😦
 
my husband and I have ‘acquired’:o roughly $5k in credit card debt…we make more than the minimum payments, montly…but we try to stick with our 10% tithing, weekly, for our parish. Should we pay off our credit cards first, and decrease our weekly tithing? Of course the ideal would be to do both–but we are also saving to move to Florida, SO…my husband thinks that we should make higher payments to the creditors, because God speaks of paying our debtors in the Bible, as being significant. I also know that if I lowered our tithing, we would probably pay off our debt much quicker–that is for sure.

Now, we should avoid getting into debt…but once you’ve accumulated some, where should the balance of your monthly income go? (as in prioritizing)

So–which is the smarter/moral route? I look forward to your replies.🙂
Ah yes. Money; there is a reason some wag said that money is the root of all evils… and there is also a tremendous abmount of truth in the statistics that show money as being a leading cause of divorce, if not the leading cause.

I would consider several things, some of which ahve already been pointed out.
  1. The Church does not require tithing, which comes from the Mosaic law. Rather, it requires that we give generously and responsibly. Those are two hard words, perhaps much harder than something as simple as tithing, as they require responsiblity not just to the Church bu in our whole financial being, and generosity is extended in other areas also.
  2. Many, if not most credit cards now carry rates that border on usury, if not well beyond that. 15%, 20%, or 25% are not at all unusual, and it is amazing how many people have no understanding of what that actually means. And further, they have no true idea how that plays out over time.
Much, but not all that is put on credit cards is based on want, not need. Oh, the kids need clothes, we need a new set of pots and pans, we need a vacation… But in using credit that will not be paid off in a short period of time, we are spending way more for those clothes, pots and pans, vacations, or whatever, than we ever realized, because we have become used to a bill coming and paying something on it, and then repeating the cycle by adding a new debt to the one not yet paid off.

I am no math whiz, but I ran a few simple calculations on $5000, assuming a simple 15% per year (the credit cards will charge more). If you could maintain the discipline to add nothing whatsoever to this card, and paid $250/month on it, it would take you about 25 months - that is, until about April of 2009 to pay it off, and you would have paid them almost $800 in interest. And that is simple interest, absolutely no more adding to the bill, and $250 every month. Make it compound interest and it is even more.

Yes, God is generous, but I believe that God also expects one to use common sense. Using a credit card and not paying it off each month for what we most often could wait to purchase until we had collected the money is not… That is simply giving into materialism.
  1. As noted by others, part of our giving to the Church is in time that we give. It may sound cold-blooded, but the work that we do has a monetary value if we are teaching a class, or cooking a meal, or stuffing an envelope for mass-mailing. Getting your personal finances in proper shape will allow you to determine what you may wish to give to the Church; but right now you are contributing mightly to a bank. It may only be $30, or $65, or $85 a month you are paying the bank for interest charges (look at your statement as to how much you paid last month in interest), but that could be going to the Church or another organization - or to something you may wish to purchase - for cash - if you weren’t paying it to the bank. Your call.
Just my opinion, but those who say that you need to trust God may not be very responsible financial advisors. You have yourself in a financial hole; it may be that it was necessities that you get there and not purchases of what you wanted. No matter how you got to this position, it is necessary that you get out of there if you truly want to be responsible financially.

You don’t need to go to a financial counselor; you could talk with a CPA in your parish. I would suggest that you sit down with your spouse and take a long, hard, honest look at both income and expenses, spending habits, and future financial needs (not wants) and start making some changes. You have already gotten to the point of asking if what you are doing makes sense. Now go further!
 
One last stry thought; if you have a PC at home and are frustrated with being the money handler, get Quicken or a similar program; it not only helps you balance the checkbook, but also has a budgeting program.

But you and he still need to sit down…
 
Tithe question
There is absolutely no requirement for Catholics to tithe (give 10% of what they earn to the Church.) There is nothing in the Catechism about tithing. There is nothing in canon law. There is nothing in any encyclical or papal document requiring Catholics to tithe. For a Catholic to talk seriously about tithing is just plain bizarre.

We ARE obligated to help the Church materially (money-wise,) as stated in the Precepts of the Church. But there is no minimum amount required. There is no specific percentage needed. Catholics are entirely free to give as little or as much as they want. And there is absolutely nothing officially written anywhere in the Church that says otherwise.

Anyone who maintains that Catholics MUST give 10% of our earnings to the Church is going beyond what we can legitimately say as Catholics. This is entering the realm of heresy. Catholics are free to give any amount they wish. It is a matter of conscience. As pointed out elsewhere on Catholic Answers, for a Catholic parish to demand a given percentage of money from its followers would be extortion - an outright heretical action. The Church as a whole has condemned such actions in the past.

Protestants often tithe. Mormons are REQUIRED to tithe. Some Catholic writers speak of tithing as if it is some kind of Catholic “obligation,” but these writers are flatly wrong. “Catholic” writers who believe that Catholics should tithe often arrive at this viewpoint after associating too closely with the Protestant view. It is a view from outside the Church. And no Catholic is under any obligation to follow it.

Some so-called Catholic writers also speak of giving 5% of our earnings to Church, and 5% to the poor (roughly divided.) But this is just the usual 10% tithe, dressed up in a different format. And it is still heretical.

As far as can be determined, Catholics who believe that we should tithe say so out of fear. They often do not know the genuine requirements or teachings of the Church, and so usually they adopt an extreme position - the seemingly safest one. And this is natural, if unintelligent.

Most Catholics have heard of the 10% tithe, as mentioned in the Bible for the ancient Jews. Most have not heard the Catholic teaching on the subject. Christ released Christians from the obligation to tithe. Just as he released us from the obligation to be circumcised.

Catholics who are worried about their own salvation, however, generally adopt the strictest, most extreme way of achieving said salvation. If it is strict, then it must be right - or so the thinking goes. This is very common in most areas of human thinking. We are conditioned to think critically and look for the worst in life.

Some Catholics who actually DO teach tithing belong to Traditionalist Catholic Churches - Churches that define themselves as Catholic, but which are not part of the ordinary Catholic Church. Traditionalists (mostly) do not follow the Pope or the Vatican. They feel that the regular Catholic Church is too “gentle” on its followers, and too “soft” on non-believers and those of other religions. If you are reading a “Catholic” book and it sounds too strict, then you are probably reading a Traditionalist book. TAN Books is a particularly bad publisher. Their books can be vicious, judgmental, and downright scary. Liberals create plenty of heresies, but I feel that the very worst heresies in the world are the ones created by tough conservatives. And there’s a lot of conservative confusion surrounding the Catholic Church.

Again, any Catholic worried about tithing shouldn’t be. Tithing is (often) a Protestant phenomenon. It is not Catholic at all. And although the Catholic Church has the power to require more contributions from its followers, this power is almost never used. Tithing is simply not central to our faith. I have always found the Catholic Church to be rational, reasonable, and very gentle on its followers. It is EXTRAORDINARILY undemanding. It is very easy to be Catholic. And I feel sad when I see some people trying to make such an easy thing seem so very difficult.
 
At our parish, we are encouraged to give 5% to our local parish, 1% to our Bishop’s fund, and the other 4% to charities of our choice. I think it would be perfectly acceptable for you to take the additional 4% to charities and pay extra on your credit card debt. The Bible is very clear about paying the debt that we owe, but we are also required to help support the local parish. Maybe this will help.
 
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