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During the exchange of signs of peace, I have observed people flashing peace signs at friends across the church. Recently, a friend commented that her priest had told her that was inappropriate and asked people to refrain from doing so in their church.

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bkfamily1 said:
During the exchange of signs of peace, I have observed people flashing peace signs at friends across the church. Recently, a friend commented that her priest had told her that was inappropriate and asked people to refrain from doing so in their church.

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It’s not appropriate since it is not even a liturgical symbol, but something that dates to the free-love era of Woodstock and the hippies. My dad admonished the altar servers whenever they tried to do that. He told them not to engage in something silly.
 
As far as I know, there’s no document that dictates what is and isn’t an acceptable “sign of peace.” I think that’s pretty much left up to local custom. While its not exactly the prefered method, I don’t think its anything to get overly excited about as long as its not done to intentionally be irreverent.
 
Documents from the vatican indicate that it the sign of peace is to be solemn in nature and only to a few around you.
In other words, if your grinning and flashing it to someone halfway across church you’d be violating protocol.
 
I once had a friend walk all the way up to me in the front row from the very back to give me a sign of peace 🙂
 
It’s done a great deal in the parishes around here. I’m a child of the 60s and it’s interesting to me that it does not seem to be the folks who were around when that sign become popular again in the culture who are using it. I have to wonder if they actually know the meaning (V for “victory”) and the connotations it has for us folks of the 60s, not the connotations of the peace of the Lord we exchange in the Mass. (Some of us can’t stop seeing President Nixon boarding Army One flashing the “V for Victory” with both hands as he was departing the White House after his resignation, and perhaps hearing “Make love, not war”.)

I understand the passing of the peace will be moved to a different place in the Holy Mass with the new revision. Maybe when we get the teaching on that change the pastors will include some of what tradition calls for.
 
5Loaves said:
I understand the passing of the peace will be moved to a different place in the Holy Mass with the new revision.
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Not so. Moving the sign of peace is pretty much nothing more than a matter of idle internet chatter (of which I approve).
 
MarkThompson said:
Not so. Moving the sign of peace is pretty much nothing more than a matter of idle internet chatter (of which I approve).
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Thee may know better than me. 🙂 If it is idle chatter then there are priests on EWTN who are engaging in it as well… :confused:
 
NewEnglandPries said:
As far as I know, there’s no document that dictates what is and isn’t an acceptable “sign of peace.” I think that’s pretty much left up to local custom. While its not exactly the prefered method, I don’t think its anything to get overly excited about as long as its not done to intentionally be irreverent.
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Actually it is interesting to note that the so called “peace sign actually has its genesis in occultism and freemasonry” it represents “V” the roman numeral for five. This pertains to the “Law of fives” of the Illuminati. I think Catholics should avoid using any peace symbols from the hippie movement period. Even the so called peace sign in the circle can be traced back to a symbol of defiance of christianity “the cross of nero” or “broken cross” as it is called.

Remember the hippie movement was actually a revolution against the status quo - including but not limited to mainstream Christianity. So ti’s easy to see why the symbols and customs of the movement would be pagan signs of rejection of Christianity.
 
Actually I thought it was from a Roman soldier ordering five beers.
 
5Loaves said:
It’s done a great deal in the parishes around here. I’m a child of the 60s and it’s interesting to me that it does not seem to be the folks who were around when that sign become popular again in the culture who are using it. I have to wonder if they actually know the meaning (V for “victory”) and the connotations it has for us folks of the 60s, not the connotations of the peace of the Lord we exchange in the Mass. (Some of us can’t stop seeing President Nixon boarding Army One flashing the “V for Victory” with both hands as he was departing the White House after his resignation, and perhaps hearing “Make love, not war”.)

I understand the passing of the peace will be moved to a different place in the Holy Mass with the new revision. Maybe when we get the teaching on that change the pastors will include some of what tradition calls for.
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Oh yes I forgot the victory part also. These signs often have layered meaning which is why occultists believe they are so powerful on those who are not aware of the true meaning of them.
 
kinja said:
Actually it is interesting to note that the so called “peace sign actually has its genesis in occultism and freemasonry” it represents “V” the roman numeral for five. This pertains to the “Law of fives” of the Illuminati. I think Catholics should avoid using any peace symbols from the hippie movement period. Even the so called peace sign in the circle can be traced back to a symbol of defiance of christianity “the cross of nero” or “broken cross” as it is called.

Remember the hippie movement was actually a revolution against the status quo - including but not limited to mainstream Christianity. So ti’s easy to see why the symbols and customs of the movement would be pagan signs of rejection of Christianity.
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in Asia, it also means someone is taking your picture
 
kinja said:
. Even the so called peace sign in the circle can be traced back to a symbol of defiance of christianity “the cross of nero” or “broken cross” as it is called.

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If it’s the one I think you mean, it’s actually a combination of the semaphore signs for N and D - as in Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament - within a circle. Nothing to do with Nero!
 
I have had a couple of parish members do the ‘peace’ symbol. And as a another person on this thread said, if they are blatantly flashing it to other people across the room they are breaking church protocol. Another thing wrong that some parishes are doing wrong is that they are allowing people to leave their pew and give the sign of peace to a person across the church. This would mean noisy chatter and too much movement especially during the ‘Agnus Dei.’
As for the peace symbol, very blatantly I say without hesitation that it is a diabolical symbol, [edited]
 
kinja said:
Oh yes I forgot the victory part also. These signs often have layered meaning which is why occultists believe they are so powerful on those who are not aware of the true meaning of them.
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A sign or symbol only means what a culture or locality understand it to mean. In other words, the sign of piece means the sign of piece in most areas of the US; nothing evil or satanic about it.

There is nothing wrong with exchanging this or other signs, except in cases that have already been mentioned, where it causes distraction. If it takes away the reverence of the celebration then it is beyond the norm. Hand shaking or hugging or even talking aloud can be even more distracting in my opinion.

I personally hate the location of the SOP in the liturgy because of the distraction it causes. Shouldn’t this be done at the very beginning of the liturgy? 🤷
 
How about training a white dove to fly in with a olive branch,
circle three times and then land on the altar? 😃
 
callmeChris said:
As for the peace symbol, very blatantly I say without hesitation that it is a diabolical symbol, as this link proves->jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/peace_sign.htm
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Have a glance down the front page of that site. Generally, when a website looks like it was created by an insane monkey on PCP, you’re in trouble. Oh, and while you’re there, make sure you check out such links as “Catholic Heresies - a List”, “The Rosary is Blasphemy!”, and “The Great Whore of Revelation Chapter 17 ―The Roman Catholic Religion.” Let us know what those links “prove” that you can “very blatantly say without hesitation.”

This is like saying, “Oh, I know for an absolute fact that Bush masterminded 9/11 along with Hollywood jewry, the Portuguese Illuminati, and Hitler’s brain, which is being kept alive in a glass jar at the Smithsonian. I read it on 9-11truthExposedForAllTime.com, and a fortune teller told me, so that’s pretty much incontrovertible proof.” At first people are puzzled, because they know you’ve made a joke but can’t figure out which part is the punch line. Then, as it slowly dawns on them that you were not joking at all and you’ve seriously taken these “sources” as being reliable . . . .
 
callmeChris said:
I have had a couple of parish members do the ‘peace’ symbol. And as a another person on this thread said, if they are blatantly flashing it to other people across the room they are breaking church protocol. Another thing wrong that some parishes are doing wrong is that they are allowing people to leave their pew and give the sign of peace to a person across the church. This would mean noisy chatter and too much movement especially during the ‘Agnus Dei.’
As for the peace symbol, very blatantly I say without hesitation that it is a diabolical symbol, as this link proves->jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/peace_sign.htm
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Wow, how did I possibly miss this web site you quoted. This is a hate site designed to spread hate of Catholics and His Church. It would be best for you to check your sources before quoteing something that makes you appear to be ill informed and silly.

I have used this site with teens to show them the hatred of Catholics which exist out there. I hold weekly youth gatherings, every Wednesday night, these topics on this site are questions the kids bring up. Why you ask? Because protestants they go to school with through these weapons at them constantly. I help them to defend their faith in these meetings. These kids eat up the truth, they are starving for the truth, please learn the truth and share it with kids in your area; but make sure you get your information from a reputable source and not a den of Satan’s work like you sited.

PS. Do you also believe the “upside down cross” on the Chair of Peter and the bent cross Pope John Paul II used is also of satanic orrigen??? What about the “fact” that we Catholics worship the sun god? Those are just three of the weapons found on the site you linked.
 
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