Peaceful Muslims should be encouraged and facilitated to settle in the U.S.

[chrisse]

Hi

Where in Quran you have found the mention of “Shariah Law”? Please; Quran is the foremost source of guidance of Muslims, whatever the denomination.

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Under what authority do you say that Islam is qur’an only?

Please answer dzheremi. That is the point I’ve been making.

 

[ChristIsLord]

islam is as much a political system and lifestyle as it is a religion. just like it wouldn’t be wise to let millions of marxists to emigrate to the us during the cold war, it isn’t smart to let millions of muslims into the us now.

you cannot seperate islam and sharia, it’s impossible, muslims will demand they be allowed to rule “thier lands” under sharia law (and unfortunately anyone who isn’t muslim for that matter), historically any “muslim land” requiring sharia law seems to be when the amount of muslims hit between 10-20% of the population.

 

[agnostic_in_ist]

Absolutely NOT!

They should be encouraged to stay in their own countries along with their cultures and sharia.

Peaceful muslims (Good gravy, what an oxymoron), especially reverts like Sister Amy who are already in non-islamic countries should be encouraged to immigrate to the islamic country of their choice.

Just as islamic countries strive to keep non-islamic faiths out of their countries, so too, should secular and non-islamic countries strive to keep the vile political ideology of islam out of their countries.

 

[brigantine]

The problem is once “peacefull muslims” increase their numbers in a country they revert to their not so peacefull true selves. There has NEVER been a country with a muslim majority that minority religions have enjoyed a peacefull existance.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I am thankful to the West; they allow freedom and justice to the peaceful Muslims there.

I love Jesus, Mary and the Mother Teresa of India who served the humanitariam cause against all odds and without discrimination of colour, race and faith .

Thanks

 

[chrisse]

The problem is once “peacefull muslims” increase their numbers in a country they revert to their not so peacefull true selves. There has NEVER been a country with a muslim majority that minority religions have enjoyed a peacefull existance.

I think this is one of the complexities of the issue that needs to be discussed. Not all muslims do so, in fact there are many muslims who are also being persecuted in Islamic majority countries, along with all non-muslims.

The increasing numbers play a part. With Islam there are special factors that are not applicable to other immigrant groups because of the geo-political fascist theocracy called Islam :

1. Amongst the immigrant muslims, are those who are intent in spreading Islam in the political sense. They influence others. They take control of the mosques, islamic schools etc. Funding by outside sources, particular Saudi Arabia (unnecessary funding when so many in the muslim world are in need of aid … oops I forgot the dhimmi west gets to provide the $$$$ for that)
2. Their first victims are other muslims. This is made easier as, with many immigrants, they tend to live in the same area. This makes it easier for those in (1) to intimidate other muslims into submission and silence, even forced support.
3. With the Islamic schools in place, where they teach fiqh aka islamic law aka shariah, the next generation is being indoctrinated into this geo-political fascist theocracy (and not always with their parents knowledge nor consent)

I think the most important thing that must happen is that Islam is recognised as the political ideology that it is, which is completely non-compatible with our society, and then it can come under the legal, government and social scrutiny that it MUST receive.

Right now, our leaders in all areas are being politically and criminally negligent as they skip around the maypole with flowers in their hair singing “It’s a small world after all”.

 

[brigantine]

Hi Chrisse! I agree with you that not all muslims are bad, and many are persecuted by there own. I still would not allow them in because the chances are just to high they will turn violent as soon as there numbers get sufficient. I also agree that islam is a political ideology.

My thought is it is just to dangerous to allow these people into another county. It has been shown over and over thought the existence of islam that it WILL turn violent.

 

[R_not]

Hi

That would be a political discussion; already being discussed or not discussed, it is out of the scope of this purely religious and moral forum. Kindly discuss it with the politicians, if you may.

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Well that was certianly a cart full of junk.

islam IS political just as much as it is religious. that is what the laws of the country are based on - sharia laws - based on the koran and hadiths.

Why don’t you just say you like it the way it is and as for the title of this thread - ‘peaceful’ muslims are nothing but supporters of such ilk as hamas, hezbollah, CAIR, of which have their roots in the muslim brotherhood and wahabbism.

And they practice taqiyya/kithman which really places them into a different category other than the facade of ‘peaceful’.

Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: “A moderate Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“ (Oriana Fallaci”The Force of Reason” post-script page 305 February 2006)]

 

[chrisse]

Hi Chrisse! I agree with you that not all muslims are bad, and many are persecuted by there own. I still would not allow them in because the chances are just to high they will turn violent as soon as there numbers get sufficient. I also agree that islam is a political ideology.

My thought is it is just to dangerous to allow these people into another county. It has been shown over and over thought the existence of islam that it WILL turn violent.

Yes, brigatine. And don’t forget that eventually they demand the land as their own.

I describe Islam as like rabid dogs prowling through the lands, urinating on all and claiming as its own.

 

[jakasaki]

Don’t forget - the 9/11 "muslims’ were here in our great nation… sleeping… eating… plotting… mingling with neighbors… having jobs… getting their education…peace and all… smiling and having a grand old time…

ALL right here in this land…

And Bammmmm… 9/11 … And yes, to me it’s very personal and sad…

I lost 37 friends and co-workers at the Trade Center and this is not to mention of how many neighborhood family’s lost their sons and daughters… I lost track of the funerals and memorials I went to…

I lived and smelled death during 9/11 and it’s following days… the stench in in the air was putrid.

 

[R_not]

Don’t forget - the 9/11 "muslims’ were here in our great nation… sleeping… eating… plotting… mingling with neighbors… having jobs… getting their education…peace and all… smiling and having a grand old time…

ALL right here in this land…

And Bammmmm… 9/11 … And yes, to me it’s very personal and sad…

I lost 37 friends and co-workers at the Trade Center and this is not to mention of how many neighborhood family’s lost their sons and daughters… I lost track of the funerals and memorials I went to…

I lived and smelled death during 9/11 and it’s following days… the stench in in the air was putrid.

Wow, I didn’t have any idea. I am so sorry. I knew no one, but it effected me so much that this is where I am now trying to warn people about islam and that those ‘peaceful’ ones? Well, they are the ones who danced and ulalated afterwards worldwide and in our own lands.

And when cornered they would say things like ‘we don’t believe in the killing of any innocent nor do we believe in suicide’ and that never rang true. This is why I remember it now - I found out why it didn’t ring true.

They don’t consider us as innocent, nor do they consider those murdering sacks of donkey dung as suicides - they were martyrs in islam.

And then a couple of years later they started to blame the Jews for dancing in the streets and for doing the deed. And we have THEM on video, not the Jews.

Why didn’t those muslims sound truthful and what was wrong with this picture??!?!?! I would ask myself. And only to find out how simple it is, but how even our own don’t believe it, and chose to stay ignorant of it all and help them achieve their ‘religious’ goals of domination.

I had no idea what islam was about. I didn’t care either. I could have lived in ignorance for my whole life, but then after this took place - I made it my job to find out.

And I found out why they hate us. Because they are told to do so. It is as simple as that. And I found out that their ‘holey’ book was on the same order, and worse, than Mein Kampf. Their ‘prophet’ was a sub-human monster. He assasinated an old man and a woman suckling her baby. He raped slaves right after their men died. He had people stoned for less agregious things than what he did - taking his stepson’s wife. He had whole tribes beheaded and their women and children enslaved. He attacked caravans with women and children and that were lightly armed for the loot both in goods and humans. And that is what they follow. How could ‘peaceful’ ones follow such a guy? Where is the problem with this picture?

Their good/bad, holy/evil, etc are all twisted up. In regards to non-muslims we are nothing to them and they lie to us as a psychopath lies. They work on breeding psychopathic murderers for their god.

I mean it just goes on and on.

 

[rtconstant]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4850416&postcount=153
Islam Must Be Banned In America

Paarsurrey,

I agree with your idea here not just for Muslims but for people of all nations and cultures. Certainly the US is a good place for the personal growth of enlightened Muslims. Indeed moderate Muslims have much more in common with Westerners than their counterparts in native lands. My own life has been enriched by Muslim friends here in the US. I’m also in love with a Muslim girl who I’m very glad was able to come to this country. She gained citizenship in 2008!

Anyway, I know that you’re wanting to keep this as theological discussion and not a political one. However, the nature of the question is political. As its asking a political entity (the United States) to encourage the immigration of a certain segment of a religious group.

I’m sure that moderate Muslims around the world would be thrilled to be in the West, but I wonder what the impact would be in the East if all of the voices of reason were in the West? That has powerful political ramifications.

 

[paarsurrey]

rtconstant; 4855509:

Paarsurrey,

I agree with your idea here not just for Muslims but for people of all nations and cultures. Certainly the US is a good place for the personal growth of enlightened Muslims. Indeed moderate Muslims have much more in common with Westerners than their counterparts in native lands. My own life has been enriched by Muslim friends here in the US. I’m also in love with a Muslim girl who I’m very glad was able to come to this country. She gained citizenship in 2008!

Anyway, I know that you want to keep this as theological discussion and not a political one. However, the nature of the question is political. As its asking a political entity (the United States) to encourage the immigration of a certain segment of a religious group.

I’m sure that moderate Muslims around the world would be thrilled to be in the West, but I wonder what the impact would be in the East if all of the voices of reason were in the West. That has powerful political ramifications.

rtconstant; 4855509:

Paarsurrey,

Hi friend/brother rtconstant!

I thank you very much for your charitable (name removed by moderator)ut in the thread. Though I started for asking this for peaceful Muslim; but if Catholics are suffering, they should also be provided a rescue, similarly for the Hindus. I have raised in fact a humanitarian issue and a clear divide in the world. I have not addressed the Political America; I have addressed the Humanitarian America. I know that a very large number of American tax payers’ money is being spent for political gains; while they are losing on the humanitarian grounds. I know there is a large number of our Catholics in America, whose first priority is humanity; next comes our Humanists (commonly called Atheists/Agnostics), they also want to advance the humanitarian cause. I know the ladies in America; of whatever faith, color or race, they have a motherly thinking for the world; they don’t think in terms of destroying a people.

If a single woman Mother Teresa could serve humanity in odd condition in India; why cannot the Mothers of America, be they Catholics or Humanists, serve in concerted manner to help the humanity? Let the Children of the World live in peace and tranquility, please.

Americans (mind it I am no addressing the political one) are leading the world; and I am not jealous of that; but they should lead humanly, that is my point. I address the MothersTeresasAmericanas to solve this humanitarian issue, and of course the men should also support it.

I some up your points hereunder to highlight them again:

1. I agree with your idea here not just for Muslims but for people of all nations and cultures. Certainly the US is a good place for the personal growth of enlightened Muslims. Indeed moderate Muslims have much more in common with Westerners than their counterparts in native lands. My own life has been enriched by Muslim friends here in the US.
2. I know that you want to keep this as theological discussion and not a political one. However, the nature of the question is political. As its asking a political entity (the United States)
3. I’m sure that moderate Muslims around the world would be thrilled to be in the West, but I wonder what the impact would be in the East if all of the voices of reason were in the West. That has powerful political ramifications.

I love Jesus, Mary and Mother Teresa of India

Thanks

 

[rtconstant]

rtconstant; 4855509:

Paarsurrey,

Hi friend/brother rtconstant

!

I thank you very much for your charitable (name removed by moderator)ut in the thread. Though I started for asking this for peaceful Muslim; but if Catholics are suffering, they should also be provided a rescue, similarly for the Hindus. I have raised in fact a humanitarian issue and a clear divide in the world. I have not addressed the Political America; I have addressed the Humanitarian America. I know that a very large number of American tax payers’ money is being spent for political gains; while they are losing on the humanitarian grounds. I know there is a large number of our Catholics in America, whose first priority is humanity; next comes our Humanists (commonly called Atheists/Agnostics), they also want to advance the humanitarian cause. I know the ladies in America; of whatever faith, color or race, they have a motherly thinking for the world; they don’t think in terms of destroying a people.

If a single woman Mother Teresa could serve humanity in odd condition in India; why cannot the Mothers of America, be they Catholics or Humanists, serve in concerted manner to help the humanity? Let the Children of the World live in peace and tranquility, please.

Americans (mind it I am no addressing the political one) are leading the world; and I am not jealous of that; but they should lead humanly, that is my point. I address the MothersTeresasAmericanas to solve this humanitarian issue, and of course the men should also support it.

I some up your points hereunder to highlight them again:

1. I agree with your idea here not just for Muslims but for people of all nations and cultures. Certainly the US is a good place for the personal growth of enlightened Muslims. Indeed moderate Muslims have much more in common with Westerners than their counterparts in native lands. My own life has been enriched by Muslim friends here in the US.
2. I know that you want to keep this as theological discussion and not a political one. However, the nature of the question is political. As its asking a political entity (the United States)
3. I’m sure that moderate Muslims around the world would be thrilled to be in the West, but I wonder what the impact would be in the East if all of the voices of reason were in the West. That has powerful political ramifications.

I love Jesus, Mary and Mother Teresa of India

Thanks

Ahh, I see better now what you are getting at. You’re speaking of the individual Americans seeking to encourage the country in a more charitable direction. I completely agree. A society that is truly enlightened will always seek to stretch itself socially and improve the cause of justice for all peoples. That is indeed a noble cause, and the ultimate goal of true liberty.

Oppressive system hurt everyone, and it shouldn’t be forgotten that while there are many corrupt governments and there are people of all faiths who suffer under them. Tibetan Buddhists suffer in China, many Hindus and Muslims suffer in the struggles between India and Pakistan, and Christians and Animists suffer under Theocracies in Africa and Asia. Further Muslims suffer under the heels of vicious leaders in nations where they are a majority.

Theological disagreements aside it is the duty of any God fearing person to seek the protection of basic human dignity.

 

[R_not]

paarsurrey;4855759:

Ahh, I see better now what you are getting at. You’re speaking of the individual Americans seeking to encourage the country in a more charitable direction. I completely agree. A society that is truly enlightened will always seek to stretch itself socially and improve the cause of justice for all peoples. That is indeed a noble cause, and the ultimate goal of true liberty.

Oppressive system hurt everyone, and it shouldn’t be forgotten that while there are many corrupt governments and there are people of all faiths who suffer under them. Tibetan Buddhists suffer in China, many Hindus and Muslims suffer in the struggles between India and Pakistan, and Christians and Animists suffer under Theocracies in Africa and Asia. Further Muslims suffer under the heels of vicious leaders in nations where they are a majority.

Theological disagreements aside it is the duty of any God fearing person to seek the protection of basic human dignity.

How better way to take the heat of the poor behavior of muslims in muslim countries against non-muslims. Or even their poor behavior in our lands.

And not too many ‘peaceful’ muslim mothers becoming like mother Teresa, or anyone even close? Why is it that for all the money that gets directed towards muslim charities that the poor countries are so abysmally poor? (I know the answer - muslim charities go to pay for jihadists and their families)

We saw ‘peaceful’ muslims behavior in the riots during the time Israel finally defended itself against the continual bombing for more than two years and that has once against started up yesterday. Oh, no ‘peaceful’ one is making a peep about that - only when their terrorists get hit back do we hear from the ‘peaceful’ ones.

Sorry, but the ‘peaceful’ ones don’t seem that peaceful to me, they have a thin image of peace that is broken all the time.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

The peaceful Muslims are in a fix; since they are peaceful in the first place, neither allowed by Islam/Quran/Muhammad to take up arms against the militants nor trained of the modern sophisticated Western weaponry, they are in fix as to what to do.

On the one hand; there are militants now well trained to fight a guerilla war. The militants reside in the villages and they don’t wear a uniform. How would the civil inhabitants of a village know them and their intentions? Even if they know them and they inform the local rulers; the guerilla militants would leave that village as soon as they smell the danger; and later they would return to kill that person and his family, to set an example for others, the ones who had provided the information to the local rulers and their Armed Forces, earlier. The Armed forces cannot remain in a village for indefinitely, they know.

This is the humanitarian phenomenon for the peaceful civilians of a village. People of the villages, a very poor people indeed; have to leave villages in large numbers and move elsewhere to save their skin. They have to move into the camps bereft of any facilities, unemployed and scared; only praying in the wilderness. They are the sandwich of the Militants and the anti-Militants undoubtedly.

Politics, I don’t discuss; I discuss the humanitarian side only. I think the humanitarians who I know are in majority in these forums would participate in this discussion to resolve this issue. Any Mother Teresa would be most welcome, please. Is there any Mother Teresa over there?

I love Jesus, Mary and Mother Teresa of India.

Thanks