Peaceful spread of Islam in France

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France

Estimates of the number of Muslims in France vary widely. In accordance with a law dating from 1872, the French Republic does not ask about religion in its census. Nor does it ask for ethnic origin. In 2006 the United States Department of State placed it at roughly 10%.

In 2000, the French Ministry of the Interior estimated the total number of people born into Islam as 4.1 million and converts as about 40,000.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France

I think Muslims have spread there peacefully without a war. Isn’t it?

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Ask Charles Martel who defeated the Islamic “peaceful” invasion of Europe in defence of course 😉
 
inJESUS said:
Ask Charles Martel who defeated the Islamic “peaceful” invasion of Europe in defence of course 😉
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Honestly sis, it is clear paarsurrey’s reality check has been blurred by his Da’wah. I wonder what he gets out of from promoting half-truths and sometimes outrageous claims. Even a bumpkin from the most remote highlands could see through his tactics.
 
paarsurrey said:
I think Muslims have spread there peacefully without a war. Isn’t it?
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Only because, as InJesus pointed out, when they attempted to spread Islam to France by the sword, they met a fierce resistance from men who had bigger swords. They were sorely defeated.
 
cathopologist said:
Honestly sis, it is clear paarsurrey’s reality check has been blurred by his Da’wah. I wonder what he gets out of from promoting half-truths and sometimes outrageous claims. Even a bumpkin from the most remote highlands could see through his tactics.
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here is the bitter truth. When you confront the Ahmadiyya with what the “rightly guided” Caliphs did, they tell you " leave peoples’ action aside and quote the Quran" and when you ask Sunni Muslims about what these Caliphs did, there is no answer, but yet Islam is a peaceful religion.
 
There is no value in attacking Paarsurrey. He/She is advocating what he/she believes to be true. There is no value in shooting at the wrong target.

The problem, at its root, is not about the Muslims who have been imported, not just to France but throughout the European Union, to shore up their various social welfare programs. While importing immigrants to facilitate cradle-to-grave social programs may be partly responsible, the other reason Islam is spreading in France, as well as in other European countries is because THE NATIVE BORN OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE NOT REPRODUCING at a rate that even replaces the parents and even if they do THEY ARE NOT TAKING THEM TO CHURCH.

Imagine! Catholic France! and they’re giving it away to Islam. The sort of thing that earlier Muslim attempts to conquer France only dreamed of! Soon to be a reality! And they GAVE IT AWAY!

But it is not just France. This affects the entire European Union. They are, essentially, giving away their countries, their culture and whatever else that makes them “them” to the immigrants that they have imported to pay for their retirement. An easy solution for them as long as that’s all they care about. How very sad.

If you want to see “Europe” it would be best if you go soon. Pretty soon, it won’t be Europe anymore, it will be “Eurabia”.

Europeans, of course, decline to take a long view the demographic results of their political decisions. That is their choice. We’ve seen such results (and the denials!) on this forum. Hey, they can turn a blind eye, it’s their choice. What will be will be. Sic transit gloria mundi

But leave Paarsurrey alone. It’s not about anything he/she has ever done. It’s all about the choices of others, in this case European others, LOTS of them. As we view the results, let us learn from it. Let’s not be STUPID and copy them!
 
In my opinion, once the muslims have a strong hold of Europe, then will they try to ‘supress’ the infidels. In Germany, there are certain places Germans are not allowed to go to because they are not Muslim. I have a feeling that if Europe gets more Islamic, it won’t look good in the future.
 
bpcatholic said:
In my opinion, once the muslims have a strong hold of Europe, then will they try to ‘supress’ the infidels. In Germany, there are certain places Germans are not allowed to go to because they are not Muslim. I have a feeling that if Europe gets more Islamic, it won’t look good in the future.
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But it’s not the MUSLIMS who accomplished that, is it? It’s the Europeans who permitted it, for their own reasons?
 
bpcatholic said:
It’s both
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Perhaps.

But, ultimately the gatekeeper is the one that is responsible. Did the Europeans let them in? Or did they let themselves in?

I realize that Europeans may not want to take responsibility for their actions, but that cannot change the facts. They, for economic reasons, let this happen.

Let them, then, repose in their idyllic retirement in the fact that they have consigned their heritage to others.

I find it most remarkable that the French are so far ahead in this transition. The French have, for so long, been so protective of all that is French. And then, so easily, and for a few francs, they gave it all away to strangers. How odd.
 
MelanieAnne said:
Perhaps.

But, ultimately the gatekeeper is the one that is responsible. Did the Europeans let them in? Or did they let themselves in?

I realize that Europeans may not want to take responsibility for their actions, but that cannot change the facts. They, for economic reasons, let this happen.

Let them, then, repose in their idyllic retirement in the fact that they have consigned their heritage to others.

I find it most remarkable that the French are so far ahead in this transition. The French have, for so long, been so protective of all that is French. And then, so easily, and for a few francs, they gave it all away to strangers. How odd.
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After WWII, Europe needed workers, so they “borowed” workers from Turkey. They were supposed to leave. I agree with you that Europe is responsible, but the Muslims are also responsible. They are trying to Islamisize Europe. There are many Europeans who dislike this and are slowly realising this. Obviously Europeans did not spread Islam, they somehow allowed though. That is why I say they are both responsible.
 
In 2007, and the beginning of 2008, there were a lot of riots by those ‘peaceful muslims’. The news stopped reporting a lot of them. And the perps were also renamed to ‘Asians’, ‘disaffected youth’, or some such nonsense.

There are parts of France, and elsewhere, that one cannot even walk into if they are non-muslim and the crime rates of muslim on non-muslims has risen dramatically.

I usually give these books out to read,

‘Eurasia’
‘While Europe Slept’
‘Menace in Europe’

They talk about the crime rates, polygamy, clitoral circumscision, appeasers/apologists, increased demands, rapes, kidnappings, etc.

And we now know that the muslims have gotten the UN to pass a resolution to even make it harder, in countries that listen to the UN, to discuss islam because muslims are not able to cope with infidels doing such a thing.
 
R_not said:
In 2007 there were a lot of riots by those ‘peaceful muslims’. The news stopped reporting a lot of them. And the perps were also renamed to ‘Asians’, ‘disaffected youth’, or some such nonsense.

There are parts of France, and elsewhere, that one cannot even walk into if they are non-muslim and the crime rates of muslim on non-muslims has risen dramatically.

I usually give these books out to read,

‘Eurasia’
‘While Europe Slept’
‘Menace in Europe’

They talk about the crime rates, polygamy, clitoral circumscision, appeasers/apologists, increased demands, rapes, kidnappings, etc.

And we now know that the muslims have gotten the UN to pass a resolution to even make it harder, in countries that listen to the UN, to discuss islam because muslims are not able to cope with infidels doing such a thing.
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In Germany there are places Germans are not allowed to be in. :rolleyes: This past summer was the European cup. When Turkey and Germany were playing, the Police departments had to increase the security in fear that some riots would occur (thank God there weren’t any riots and thank God Germany won the game! 😃 )
 
bpcatholic said:
In Germany there are places Germans are not allowed to be in. :rolleyes: This past summer was the European cup. When Turkey and Germany were playing, the Police departments had to increase the security in fear that some riots would occur (thank God there weren’t any riots and thank God Germany won the game! 😃 )
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I understand this. I have family in Europe who are unhappy with the status quo. They believe that foreigners have come into their country and there is nothing they can do. Changing it is beyond their ability. And so they are unhappy but with no way to change it. At least that is what they tell me. Perhaps if many of them had spoken up sooner, there may have been a different result.

We cannot change the past, for them. We can change the future, for us.
 
MelanieAnne said:
I understand this. I have family in Europe who are unhappy with the status quo. They believe that foreigners have come into their country and there is nothing they can do. Changing it is beyond their ability. And so they are unhappy but with no way to change it. At least that is what they tell me. Perhaps if many of them had spoken up sooner, there may have been a different result.

We cannot change the past, for them. We can change the future, for us.
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I agree with you 100%! I grew up in Germany, but when I visited this past Summer I was very upset at what was happening.
 
bpcatholic said:
In Germany there are places Germans are not allowed to be in. :rolleyes: This past summer was the European cup. When Turkey and Germany were playing, the Police departments had to increase the security in fear that some riots would occur (thank God there weren’t any riots and thank God Germany won the game! 😃 )
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Sorry to disturb the traditional ‘Muslims taking over Europe’ fest/nonsense but soccer riots!

Good grief, there can be soccer riots between fans of any two club sides in Europe never mind national sides. A grand old tradition handed onto Europe by England fans and England club fans though, like soccer itself, England would appear no longer to be the dominant soccer riot force it used to be.
 
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