Pedophile support group seeks 'truth and dignity'

[billcu1]

It just further stuns me how right you may very well be…I am at a loss for words. All I can think about is how can we protect children if/when society accepts pedophilia as a norm.

I don’t think that’s going to happen anytime soon.
Let’s hope.

 

[billcu1]

allpsych.com/disorders/paraphilias/pedophilia.html

allpsych.com/disorders/personality/antisocial.html

These two conditions seem to be the problems.

 

[njlisa]

Then go to the NAMBLA web site. Read it. Men having sex with boys? I think your missing the not so big picture here. It’s quite specific: we don’t want to feel guilt or shame or any other negative feeling about our sexual preference. Read their FAQ.

Peace,
Ed

I did read it, much to my disgust. Are you saying these men are typical gay men?

 

[jonathan_hili]

Most everyone here is arguing that because of advances made by the gay rights movement, we will some day allow child-adult sexual relations become mainstream. I don’t think that’s the case. I hope and pray we never do.

Just to add my two cents…

I think such a thing is practically inevitable. The revolution that has gone into defining the human person has essentially removed any moral prohibition that offends the dignity of human nature, for it has removed human nature.

Notice how the promotion of homosexual activity as normalised behaviour has followed close behind the undermining of natural human gender identities and sexual orientation. The only genuine force preventing legalised polygamy, incestuous relationships and - in the long run - paedophilic ones is custom, and I’m not sure how long that will last in the West.

Obviously, things can change for the better, but I don’t think the signs are good principally because any defense of the sexuality and sexual actions we hold dear can no longer (in the secular West, at least) be based upon human nature, in a natural or supernatural sense.

But like you, I pray to God things get better.

 

[edwest2]

I did read it, much to my disgust. Are you saying these men are typical gay men?

I usually don’t like questions about a subject that seems 100% clear but OK. They are homosexual and their preference is boys. It’s not up to me to guess if a non-pedophile gay man who was offered a boy might consider it. After all, when the social order for some becomes: It is forbidden to forbid, then why not?

Gay men do not fall into one category. Without being graphic, some are into leather, some into restraint, some are into a lot of partners, some not.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Just to add my two cents…

I think such a thing is practically inevitable. The revolution that has gone into defining the human person has essentially removed any moral prohibition that offends the dignity of human nature, for it has removed human nature.

Notice how the promotion of homosexual activity as normalised behaviour has followed close behind the undermining of natural human gender identities and sexual orientation. The only genuine force preventing legalised polygamy, incestuous relationships and - in the long run - paedophilic ones is custom, and I’m not sure how long that will last in the West.

Obviously, things can change for the better, but I don’t think the signs are good principally because any defense of the sexuality and sexual actions we hold dear can no longer (in the secular West, at least) be based upon human nature, in a natural or supernatural sense.

But like you, I pray to God things get better.

Custom? This took 40 years to manifest. It took that long to gradually desensitize those in the West to sin. It took that long for the Psychological Warfare experts to gradually turn up the dial on sexual immorality in the media. It has been said that we were like frogs put in a pot of cool water and the heat was very gradually turned up, until we - some of us - are boiling to death.

Let’s not accept one extreme over the other. It took 40 years to get to this point and each one of has to choose - right now - which side are we on? I mean it. The Catholic Bishops have stated that if we are not willing to speak up - properly - then what they do won’t matter. The laity is of far greater number than the Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals.

It is so easy to believe that “I’m just one person so what does it matter?” If you can help or save even one person from spiritual death - what is that worth? It is like the Parable of the Talents. One servant hid what he was given and did nothing with it. His master chastised him and threw him out.

This didn’t happen in a few days or a few years, but a commitment with God’s help, will turn things around. The Light of Faith will guide us.

Peace,
Ed

 

[jonathan_hili]

Custom? This took 40 years to manifest. It took that long to gradually desensitize those in the West to sin. It took that long for the Psychological Warfare experts to gradually turn up the dial on sexual immorality in the media. It has been said that we were like frogs put in a pot of cool water and the heat was very gradually turned up, until we - some of us - are boiling to death.

Let’s not accept one extreme over the other. It took 40 years to get to this point and each one of has to choose - right now - which side are we on? I mean it. The Catholic Bishops have stated that if we are not willing to speak up - properly - then what they do won’t matter. The laity is of far greater number than the Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals.

It is so easy to believe that “I’m just one person so what does it matter?” If you can help or save even one person from spiritual death - what is that worth? It is like the Parable of the Talents. One servant hid what he was given and did nothing with it. His master chastised him and threw him out.

This didn’t happen in a few days or a few years, but a commitment with God’s help, will turn things around. The Light of Faith will guide us.

Peace,
Ed

Hi Ed,

I meant that in the secular West (I’m not talking about the Church or faithful Christians) we no longer have a metaphysical basis from which to defend these long-held beliefs about the nature of humanity. Society has “deconstructed” what it means to be human and humanity has destructed.

That’s why I think we have only custom left, that is, the current cultural climate. But that’s not much to hang one’s hat on.

 

[njlisa]

You know, just in parting, I’d like to tell you about a gay guy I worked with. In fact I hired him. He was a really sweet person. In fact he moved back to New Jersey to take care of his elderly mother. He was reliable, hard-working, discreet. All he ever mentioned was visiting a friend on the weekends. You didn’t hear him mouthing off about politics or anything like that. He had a solid Catholic education – even considered the priesthood. But eventually, he fell away. But what I’d like to say about this guy is he’s a person. A really decent person. In my old line of work as an editor at a newspaper, I saw so much of the bad in people – all there skankiness and shaky morals. People were nasty and derisive of religious belief. Abortion? Forget it. There was only one viewpoint that mattered. And this guy was one of the most decent people I’ve ever met in my whole career. And I read this thread and I think, “What about my co-worker Bill?” (That’s not his real name.) He’s just a decent guy. Not a monster. Not looking to hurt anyone. He was looking after his mom and giving 100 percent every day at work.

He’d send me religious Christmas cards. He was really sweet.

I don’t know why. I just thought of him and it broke my heart.

I leave you to your discussions, folks. I think I’ll have a good cry now. :sad_bye:

 

[jonathan_hili]

You know, just in parting, I’d like to tell you about a gay guy I worked with. In fact I hired him. He was a really sweet person. In fact he moved back to New Jersey to take care of his elderly mother. He was reliable, hard-working, discreet. All he ever mentioned was visiting a friend on the weekends. You didn’t hear him mouthing off about politics or anything like that. He had a solid Catholic education – even considered the priesthood. But eventually, he fell away. But what I’d like to say about this guy is he’s a person. A really decent person. In my old line of work as an editor at a newspaper, I saw so much of the bad in people – all there skankiness and shaky morals. People were nasty and derisive of religious belief. Abortion? Forget it. There was only one viewpoint that mattered. And this guy was one of the most decent people I’ve ever met in my whole career. And I read this thread and I think, “What about my co-worker Bill?” (That’s not his real name.) He’s just a decent guy. Not a monster. Not looking to hurt anyone. He was looking after his mom and giving 100 percent every day at work.

He’d send me religious Christmas cards. He was really sweet.

I don’t know why. I just thought of him and it broke my heart.

I leave you to your discussions, folks. I think I’ll have a good cry now. :sad_bye:

Thanks for that, Lisa. It’s important for us to hear and I appreciate it.

Of course, I don’t think anyone here would disagree with you, and I hope no-one here is suggesting that same-sex attracted people are monsters or anything like that.

The concern, from where I’m standing, is not with the character of individuals but with that of our society. You will always find decent, good people all over the place. I’m sure even some Nazi soldiers were probably nice people, who worked hard and cared for others. The question is what ideology are we building our society one, and what is this saying about human nature.

 

[quiet52]

Hi Ed,

I meant that in the secular West (I’m not talking about the Church or faithful Christians) we no longer have a metaphysical basis from which to defend these long-held beliefs about the nature of humanity. Society has “deconstructed” what it means to be human and humanity has destructed.

That’s why I think we have only custom left, that is, the current cultural climate. But that’s not much to hang one’s hat on.

The “cultural climate” is being formed in the schools. Planned Parenthood, which is in partnership with many schools, teaches children that they have a right to be sexually active, no matter their “orientation.”

Children are not being provided the truth, nor are they learning with true human dignity is.

If parents or grandparents haven’t yet checked out the websites of Planned Parenthood, International Planned Parent, they should. They need to know how their loved ones are being indoctrinated.

lifenews.com/2011/07/19/planned-parenthood-wrong-to-promote-sex-rights-for-kids/

 

[holyrood]

Thanks for that, Lisa. It’s important for us to hear and I appreciate it.

Of course, I don’t think anyone here would disagree with you, and I hope no-one here is suggesting that same-sex attracted people are monsters or anything like that.

**The concern, from where I’m standing, is not with the character of individuals but with that of our society. **You will always find decent, good people all over the place. I’m sure even some Nazi soldiers were probably nice people, who worked hard and cared for others. The question is what ideology are we building our society one, and what is this saying about human nature.

Well said, Jonathan. I, too, have had plenty of gay acquaintances and friends whom I like very much. I would even say one couple in particular, two women, are much kinder, happier people than my ‘Good Catholic’ mother. I have one facebook friend I often chat with. I admire his character, cheerfulness in the face of a tough life, and humor.

That still doesn’t mean that I think every action I take is good and right, or that every action they take is good and right in God’s eyes. It most certainly doesn’t mean that society must change entirely to now say that particular action is normal or good.

This is not about any individual person being good or bad, but about actions and their impact on society as a whole.

 

[edwest2]

A few words from Pope Benedict:

"If we cannot have common values, common truths, sufficient communication on the essentials of human life–how to live how to respond to the great challenges of human life–then true society becomes impossible."

Commentary by the Practical Catholic:

"How true this is. Where there is no communication, no culture, no shared experience, there is no society; because there is no people. There remains only a vast and foreboding, unforgiving sea of individuals ready to crash upon each other and the world with the slightest wind. Without a common basis, we have not the vaulted pluralism we’re taught to embrace, but Babel, in all the confusion and madness of a society with no binding forces. Already we are seeing the tensions of this fragmentation breaking out across cultures.

"Without common values and truths, such as in the socieites we find ourselves in, we find the fabric of society torn like Joseph’s cloak, by a great many tribes which would like to lay claim to the title of favored. Leftists, conservatives, anarchists, nihilists, secularists, objectivists, the shallow, the entertainers, the entertained, all vying for control against each other. Tribalism can indeed spawn differentiation, but without some common ground, and in the face of increasing jargon not only in the academies but in the cultures; we shall be left with madness. In the end this tribalism can only result in the decline of all their claims, and the alienation of one from the other. Babel is the happenstance when society tries to become God.

Pope Benedict XVI goes on to say:

"We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires. The church must defend itself against threats such as “radical individualism” and “vague religious mysticism”. [emphasis added]

There is the answer - the goal. Radical individualism, and, in this case, tribalism, are the problems we face in a media indoctrination program. Stand with God and His Word, the Bible and Church teaching.

Peace,
Ed

 

[SamH]

Is anyone surprised? The polygamists are also making a move as they see an opportunity to mainstream their practice as well.

This is nothing that wasn’t obvious from the beginning. Why ANY Catholic continues to vote Democrat is beyond me…in fact why any person of faith votes for this agenda is a true mystery.
Lisa

10 years ago I would have thought polygomy would become law of the land long before gay marriage.

 

[LisaA]

You know, just in parting, I’d like to tell you about a gay guy I worked with. In fact I hired him. He was a really sweet person. In fact he moved back to New Jersey to take care of his elderly mother. He was reliable, hard-working, discreet. All he ever mentioned was visiting a friend on the weekends. You didn’t hear him mouthing off about politics or anything like that. He had a solid Catholic education – even considered the priesthood. But eventually, he fell away. But what I’d like to say about this guy is he’s a person. A really decent person. In my old line of work as an editor at a newspaper, I saw so much of the bad in people – all there skankiness and shaky morals. People were nasty and derisive of religious belief. Abortion? Forget it. There was only one viewpoint that mattered. And this guy was one of the most decent people I’ve ever met in my whole career. And I read this thread and I think, “What about my co-worker Bill?” (That’s not his real name.) He’s just a decent guy. Not a monster. Not looking to hurt anyone. He was looking after his mom and giving 100 percent every day at work.

He’d send me religious Christmas cards. He was really sweet.

I don’t know why. I just thought of him and it broke my heart.

I leave you to your discussions, folks. I think I’ll have a good cry now. :sad_bye:

Like many well meaning persons, you conflate any restriction on sexual expression as potentially harming your sweet friend or that by pointing out the tiny minority of adults involved with sexual abuse of children, that somehow all gays or all men are being swept up in the same pile of filth.

No one has said that and I bet everyone on this list has friends or relatives with SSA. I have both. That doesn’t mean I cannot acknowledge that some segment of this cohort engages in sexual abuse of minors. In fact as a Catholic, this reality smacks me in the face regularly as yet another abuse victim comes forward.

As Catholics we understand that SSA is disordered. Most disordered behaviors do not exist in a vacuum. They sometimes come with baggage which includes more substance abuse, more mental illness and sadly a higher incidence of predatory behavior. There are many theories about this particular expression of deviant behavior. One is that homosexuality as inherently non-life giving, non complimentary is focused on self pleasure rather than self giving. Youth and attractiveness are VERY important in the gay community. Young men, particularly young men that are inexperienced sexually are particularly attractive. Further young men are more easily manipulated, bribed, and convinced there is nothing wrong with such behavior. Young men are more easily threatened if they divulge the secret.

I listened to an extensive interview with one of the attorneys in the Penn State case. So much more has been revealed as they go after other Penn State officials. The reality is that Sandusky was able to abuse boys for DECADES because they were young, vulnerable, and powerless. He is the posterboy for this aberrant behavior, claiming to the end that he wasn’t harming these boys. Those who knew and looked the other way also accepted this canard, or they accepted the ridiculous idea that he would change. Only when jailed or dead will he and other molesters change.

You can send me links about treatment but you can’t send links about cures. The more this evil is dumbed down as illness or treatable condition, the more it will be excused if not accepted. Your friend “Bill” and these evil doers are virtually of a different species. Don’t mistake harsh reality about the abusers as somehow a reference to your friend. We know the difference.

Lisa

 

[Megan7]

This morning, I read a bit of an article that claimed that according to psychologists pedophelia is not a disorder anymore. The source seemed a bit odd. I think it was in this section or in world news, but I cannot find it. Has anyone read anything regarding this issue? Does anyone have a link to the article?

If the above is true, we are in trouble… And Ed, you are right.Thank you in advance.

No. The goal is to have it removed as a disorder. The goal is to say man-boy sex is OK.

"In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

"Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the Federal Government. The Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does not define the term.

"Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation;” however, the amendment was defeated by Democrats. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fl) stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law. “This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule.”

"The White House praised the bill saying, “At root, this isn’t just about our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we value one another – whether we embrace our differences rather than allowing them to become a source of animus.”

So sexual abuse is not sexual abuse according to the APA. Don’t you see the logic in that? Neither do I.

“embrace our sexual preferences - differences - rather than telling anybody you can’t have that kind of sex”

God forbid,
Ed

 

[mikekle]

This morning, I read a bit of an article that claimed that according to psychologists pedophelia is not a disorder anymore. The source seemed a bit odd. I think it was in this section or in world news, but I cannot find it. Has anyone read anything regarding this issue? Does anyone have a link to the article?

If the above is true, we are in trouble… And Ed, you are right.Thank you in advance.

To me, it looks like they are laying the ground work for the future, when pedophiles start ‘coming out of the closet’ and demanding rights like the gay community did some years ago. I saw this coming long ago and will not surprised when it starts becoming an acceptable thing in society, before anyone says that will never happen, people back in the 40s and 50s also thought gay people would never be accepted into the mainstream…modern times shows this is exactly where we are at, you will get dirty looks for just making negative comments about gay people nowadays LOL

I would not doubt the effects of sex between a child and an adult were somewhat exaggerated or overstated. I have read quite a few articles about kids that had sexual experiences with an adult and they follow up with these kids once they grow up, I saw it did not effect the males too much and not at all, when the sexual encounter was with an older female, if anything, this seemed to be a boost to their confidence, however with female children, they tend to treat sex more in an emotional thing rather then males, who see it just as something psychical, it effects female children far more than males, but depending on the females age when it happened can determine whether it effects them for the rest of the life or not.

I personally know a girl who was sexually abused by a older male family member when she was around 10 yrs old, she is 38 now, and I see her from time and time, as we were close friends around 1992-1996, She claimed it was not that big a deal to her and she rarely even thought about it and it definitely did not have any negative effects on her life, she is an operations manager for a large company in the area today. She is the type that would not lie about such a thing either, if she says it is not a big deal to her, than I believe her.

 

[MarkInOregon]

Child molestation thrives in the shadows, in homes, in schools, in churches, and within families. Look out for your kids. Campaign for stricter laws in your states. And see this group for what it is – a blip on the radar screen.

These things always start as a blip on the radar screen. People role their eyes’s and say it will never happen and go happily about their business. And the next thing you know 20 years later…and then its that much harder to protect your children because what you want them protected from is legal–has the stamp of societal approval. When it comes to sex and people getting what they want-- this culture seems to know no bounds and has an inability to say no.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

 

[mikekle]

When it comes to sex and people getting what they want-- this culture seems to know no bounds and has an inability to say no.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

Aint that the truth!!! LOL

I often wonder how things will be in another 50-100 years, If you look at how depraved society is today, makes me wonder how much worse it can get or what direction it will go…will people then be trying to get marriage between human and animals legalized? or between humans and objects? You may laugh, but I recently saw an article on this guy in CA that has proclaimed his ‘love’ for his car, he kisses it and babies it like another human, he also claimed he did some other things that Im not going to repeat on here, but it is really disturbing.

If you would have went back in time to 1913 and tried to explain how the world was in 2013 and how sex was in this time, all the people back then would not have believed you and said it could never be that way.

People have gone completely nuts, but the question really is, what will be the topics concerning sex in 2113? LOL

 

[Kamaduck]

will people then be trying to get marriage between human and animals legalized? or between humans and objects?

I know there’s a guy in South Korea who staged a marriage to a pillow with an anime character on it. Supposedly he takes it everywhere and buys meals for it when they go out to restaurants. Your fears are already reality.

 

[SuperLuigi]

opinion: Pedophile support group seeks ‘truth and dignity’ (from RenewAmerica.com)
lifesitenews.com/news/pedophile-support-group-seeks-truth-and-dignity-want-same-rights-as-homosex?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d9bb6e9867-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines_06_19_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0caba610ac-d9bb6e9867-326231002

So will we soon be seeing headlines about “LGBTQPP” rights?
(the PP would be pedophile / polygamist)

I hope and pray that enough people of right conscience will proclaim what genuine truth and dignity are, and clamor and fight for justice to prevail – the preservation of true marriage and family, by putting God’s gift of sexuality in its proper place in society.

Well, if so-called “gay marriage” is legal most everywhere and the democrats need a new voting base, why not?

And did people really not see this coming?