Pelosi's Archbishop does it again. Will he give an explanation for his actions?

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Most of us are aware of the noteriety of Pelosi’s public statement showing her ignorance of when life begins and AB Niederauer’s self interpretation of her interpretation, he blunders again. The man needs help and a lot of prayers.

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/jan/10010503.html
Tuesday January 5, 2010
San Francisco Archdiocese Reinvestigates, Approves Pro-Abortion CCHD Grantee
Washington, DC, January 5, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Catholic Campaign for Human Development and the Archdiocese of San Francisco continue to support an organization that helped create and promote contraception, elective-abortion and sex-education programs for kids, the American Life League is reporting.
In November, the Catholic Campaign for Human Development issued “For the Record – The Truth about CCHD Funding” in response to criticism that the group funds organizations that support pro-abortion programs.
The document contains this defense of the San Francisco Organizing Project:
Archdiocese of San Francisco strongly supports the work of the SFOP to expand access to health care to children. Both Archbishop Levada and Archbishop Niederauer have spoken at SFOP events; SFOP has met regularly with [a]rchdiocesan staff to coordinate work on health care access and other issues that affect the poor and immigrant families.
The initial investigation conducted by the Reform CCHD Now campaign (of which American Life League is a member) revealed the SFOP’s strong support for health care facilities that provide family planning and “emergency” contraception.
Further investigation reveals the SFOP was instrumental in establishing the Healthy Kids and Healthy San Francisco insurance programs. Covering the full range of birth control, from drugs to devices, and elective abortion, SFOP worked to launch Healthy Kids, enrolling over 2,000 children through the San Francisco Health Plan. SFOP not only engaged in public campaigns to get Healthy San Francisco, which also covers birth control and elective abortion, passed, but a member of SFOP served on the Healthy San Francisco Advisory Board, which provided expert consultation on “implementation of employer spending mandate, membership, benefits, provider network, utilization, costs, and evaluation.”
“The SFOP was cleared for funding after a reinvestigation – how could the Archdiocese of San Francisco not know about SFOP’s involvement in Healthy Kids and Healthy San Francisco?” asked Michael Hichborn, American Life League’s lead researcher on the CCHD.
In August, Bellermine Veritas Ministry, another participant in the Reform CCHD Now campaign, released its first report on the Archdiocese of San Francisco and the CCHD, showing that the CCHD-funded organizations “Young Workers United” and the “Chinese Progressive Association” issued 2008 voter guides advocating abortion, homosexual marriage and decriminalized prostitution. The report prompted the CCHD to defund them.
“Given that the CCHD and the Archdiocese of San Francisco have a history of clearing pro-abortion groups for funding, a disturbing pattern is beginning to emerge,” said Hichborn. “Bishop Roger Morin (chairman of the USCCB’s Subcommittee on the CCHD) called our charges against the CCHD ‘outrageous.’ In light of the latest revelations, he and Archbishop Niederauer owe Catholics across the country an explanation.”

See the fully documented report which also contains some other disturbing details

go to www.lifesitenews.com There should be a link to it.
 
CD

You`ve lost us!

It was the type that our Lord mentioned. Drowning`s not pleasant.
 
Fink said:
CD

You`ve lost us!
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Let’s see if I can rediscover you:

The act of Ordination to bishop does not automatically make one holy. Holiness only comes from following Christ. Pelosi’s bishop is enamored by the wealth and power of this world. He should rather be enamored by the disgrace of the Cross and desire more to wallow up to his elbows, deep in the mud of total subjection to the Crucified Christ.
 
CHRIS_DICKSON said:
Fink;6140259:
CD

You`ve lost us!
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Let’s see if I can rediscover you:

The act of Ordination to bishop does not automatically make one holy. Holiness only comes from following Christ. Pelosi’s bishop is enamored by the wealth and power of this world. He should rather be enamored by the disgrace of the Cross and desire more to wallow up to his elbows, deep in the mud of total subjection to the Crucified Christ.
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Ah, I see.

:amen:
 
elts1956 said:
Most of us are aware of the noteriety of Pelosi’s public statement showing her ignorance of when life begins and AB Niederauer’s self interpretation of her interpretation, he blunders again. The man needs help and a lot of prayers.
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And then you wonder why Pelosi has such whacko ideas?
 
The sort of millstone i meant was the type our Lord mentioned,; “He who scandalizes … better for him to have a millstone put around his neck, and cast into the depths of the sea.”.
i feel uncomfortable quoting it.
 
peary1 said:
And then you wonder why Pelosi has such whacko ideas?
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Her “ideas” are not necessarily Niederauer’s fault. It is my understanding these lapses of intelligence sometimes come about by the inbreeding of politicians. ;)I don’t know about Niederauer’s familial background so I can’t say what causes the surges of non intelligence in his brain.
 
Fink said:
The sort of millstone i meant was the type our Lord mentioned,; “He who scandalizes … better for him to have a millstone put around his neck, and cast into the depths of the sea.”.
i feel uncomfortable quoting it.
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Sometimes we do have to stretch ourselves to the point of being uncomfortable don’t we? I am glad you expressed yourself. 🙂
 
Let’s try to keep inflamatory language out of the discussion.
Thank you.
 
Perhaps Jesus teaches us about such people;

"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (Jn 8:43-44)

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
Once again, it is a timely question…😃
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=408399

And, may I respectfully ad an additional question?

Why is the Vatican so tolerant of Bishops watering down (diluting) the firm foundation of the Churches doctrines, which lead astray so many thousands of people down that path of sin?

Furthermore, such blatant actions against the Church by those in authority Within the Church do not do anything good at all in demonstrating to the world that in fact this is The Rock upon which this great church has been created.

Pardon me for wanting to be so proactive against such ones. It must be from my past experience in the Watchtower Society…
Right or wrong doctrines/dogmas, at least the Watchtower Organization was/is swift to keep the entire world congregation clean of those within their church that would go so publicly against clear doctrine such as abortion, women priests (women elders) etc. etc.

If I have any struggle in my heart as one who has been coming back to the Catholic Church, it is the overwhelming tolerance by the Papacy (headquarters of the Catholic Church) of those within The Church who work so publicly hard against It, and to divide it, and to lead so many of Her sheep astray.

“Lord, please give me the patience of one who lives one-thousand years…”
 
Vasian said:
Once again, it is a timely question…😃
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=408399

And, may I respectfully ad an additional question?

Why is the Vatican so tolerant of Bishops watering down (diluting) the firm foundation of the Churches doctrines, which lead astray so many thousands of people down that path of sin?

Furthermore, such blatant actions against the Church by those in authority Within the Church do not do anything good at all in demonstrating to the world that in fact this is The Rock upon which this great church has been created.

Pardon me for wanting to be so proactive against such ones. It must be from my past experience in the Watchtower Society…
Right or wrong doctrines/dogmas, at least the Watchtower Organization was/is swift to keep the entire world congregation clean of those within their church that would go so publicly against clear doctrine such as abortion, women priests (women elders) etc. etc.

If I have any struggle in my heart as one who has been coming back to the Catholic Church, it is the overwhelming tolerance by the Papacy (headquarters of the Catholic Church) of those within The Church who work so publicly hard against It, and to divide it, and to lead so many of Her sheep astray.

“Lord, please give me the patience of one who lives one-thousand years…”
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Many present day members of the Church are not at all like the Catholics I grew up with. Relativism has made such inroads, not only on secular society, which was not protected by many of our prelates, but it also rears its dark head in the dark corners of the Vatican. The best we can do right now is find a pastor who still knows the truths of the Church and teaches them. However, it seems that as soon as one of these appears, he is punished by banishment to unknown areas by his Bishop.

However, there are several Bishops who have held true to the tenents taught by Christ, but they are few and far in between. They are not afraid to lead, but they number only about a third of all the Bishops we have. 100 out of over 400 total cannot make a great public noise, but they can still lead us if we listen to them.
 
“But when Avarice saw that she could not by herself work her desire upon these men, she changed her counsel in order to gain her end. She summoned Sloth, who is loath both to begin good works and to complete what she has begun; and she made an agreement with her and entered into a pact with her against them. These two were not actually too familiar with each other, nor were they even united by chance; but they willingly conspired together, just as Pilate and Herod conspired of old against the Savior”…

“They began at last to fawn upon men of the world and they began to be wedded to them, as it were, that they might empty their purses, extend their own buildings, and multiply the very things they had completely renounced. They sold their words of advice to the rich and their visits to noble ladies; and they frequented the courts of kings and princes with great eagerness, so that they might join house to house and lay field to field. And now they are grown great and rich and strong upon the earth, because they have proceeded from evil to evil and they have not known the Lord. They fell when they were lifted up, and they sprawled upon the ground before their birth; and still they say to me, ‘We are your friends.’”

Saint Francis of Assisi
Sacrum Commercium 47,49

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Not sure if you will take this the wrong way or not. But, is the Pope, who has met with her not too terribly long ago unable to make any headway with her, even in person?

Blaming the Archbishop, for something the pope could stop? Or can he? Is he unable to stop her or the Archbishop?

Very sad it must be to have someone in charge, who can’t do much of anything.
 
SJ
The trouble is: the Pope says what he should say, but if his “listeners” refuse to take any notice, his hands are tied to a great extent. There are enough wrong`uns in the Church to at least try to sabotage his best efforts to “fix things”.
A lot of bishops, and above, were more than a bit upset when he was elected.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Not sure if you will take this the wrong way or not. But, is the Pope, who has met with her not too terribly long ago unable to make any headway with her, even in person?

Blaming the Archbishop, for something the pope could stop? Or can he? Is he unable to stop her or the Archbishop?

Very sad it must be to have someone in charge, who can’t do much of anything.
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Perhaps the difficulty lies in centuries ago before the center of the Catholic Faith was created in Rome. One would have to read a lot of Church History, which I haven’t in this instance, but one must remember at the time the Church was started the Apostles and their direct descendents were Bishops. All had the same authority but St. Peter was called first among equals. Later there were Patriarchs in various areas of the globe. All of these Patriarchs would come together at Councils to discuss matters of Faith. In those times and since Vatican II, but not because of, various clergy including some of the Hierarchy have taken what they wanted to hear and created their own version of what was agreed upon at the Councils and implemented it. A lot of it doesn’t coincide with what the Pope at that time said, nor what he says now. Other than excommunication used as a last resort, there is no way the Pope can “force” the clergy to do as he “suggests”. Many of the clergy, since Vatican II, have used their own subjective consciences to determine what is Truth and what is not. It was not intended for them to do so.

The Popes have continued to call them back to TRUTH, but they are ignoring them. I think many of them have also allowed themselves to be led away from believing in the infallibility of the Pope in matters of doctrine and dogma. In other words they are muddle headed upstarts.

I guess this is a bit confusing, but it is a thought I have. There are politics within the Vatican as well as in every other religious entity. Many of the confused have exchanged their vocations for a career.
 
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