If Jesus, upon hearing the belief of the penitent thief, told him “truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43), what does this say of Purgatory? This man probably committed thousands of “mortal sins” and should have had to go to Purgatory, but only because of his belief in Christ was he able to enter heaven “today” and not after a stint in Purgatory. Clearly, humanity is inherently imperfect and can only be made perfect through belief in Christ and his bloodshed. If the penitent thief could enter heaven only by belief, why not us? What does it say about purgatory that it indicates that the blood of Christ is not sufficient to purify our souls?
Our call is to love God with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength. As God, He deserves nothing less.
When a person, say “Jim,” accepts Jesus Christ in faith and begins to walk with the Lord on a daily basis, does he grow according to the demands of the gospel?
I would say “yes.”
In other words, once a person comes to believe, at that moment:
–do they love God above all things with all their heart, mind, soul and strength as Jesus commands us?
I would say “no.”
–do they love their neighbor as themselves as perfectly as Christ wants us to?
I would say “no.”
–are they as poor in spirit as Jesus calls us to be?
I would say “no.”
–are the habits and inclinations to sin (which therefore constitute a tendency away from God) from their past just gone, OR must they be contended against?
I would say “they must be contended against.”
We would affirm that Jim, from point “A” (when he accepts Christ in faith) to point “B” (5 years down the line), would have advanced in every one of those above-mentioned areas. He would, by the grace of God, love God more completely, love his neighbor more perfectly, live out the Beatitudes more faithfully, and resist bad habits from the past more resolutely.
Now, assuming no question/doubt about Jim’s salvation as a believer, my questions are these:
(1) Is the move from A to B command by Christ and the Gospel?
I would say “yes.”
(2) Is the move from A to B effortless, painless, and without struggle OR does it at times involve pain, agony, and struggle?
I would say “it involves pain, agony, and struggle.”
(3) Do the prayers of other believers for Jim help him in his move from A to B?
I would say “yes.”
(4) Now, if Jim should instead die right after he comes to believe, how are these above-mentioned imperfections, which constitute a condition of Jim’s soul in relation to God and are at odds with the demands of the Gospel, removed or changed?
That is, since in entering God’s presence, --one
will love Him above all things, --our soul
will be reoriented away from inclinations to sin from past bad habits, --we
will obviously come to know perfectly our poverty of spirit; so will this change in the soul be effortless, painless, and without struggle OR will it involve pain, agony, and struggle?
I submit that, as a conscious self, in entering God’s presence I will experience the pain, agony, and struggle of that change.
I don’t think we can say the blood of Christ anesthetically and magically changes believers at death.
RE the Good Thief.
One should take Jesus words at face value. Jesus said: “Today you will be with me in Paradise.” He didn’t say: “At the moment of your death you’re going straight to heaven.” Nor is this interpretation necessitated by the words Jesus used. “
Today” and “
At the very moment of your death” are not equivalent. And further “Today you will be with me in paradise” is not Jesus saying “At the moment of your death you’re going
straight to paradise which means there is no process of purification for anyone in humanity ever. You got that all you RCs.”
For all we know the Good Thief dying on the cross experienced the purification necessary to enter God’s presence immediately after death. I’m not God. I can’t judge that one way or another.
Further, when Jesus says that they will “
be” together sometime “
today,” in an attempt to rule out purgatory some people regard it as saying they were “
going”
together–which it never said.
The account of the Good Thief is not a pronouncement on purgatory nor do Jesus words rule out purgatory in general. The account never meant to address the subject of purgatory and it is torturing the text to extort an indictment of doctrine of purgatory by Jesus from it.
I would argue that asking one to judge how long the process of purification will last is like asking them to do God’s job–similar to asking one to design the grace that will save someone. God alone, as Jeremiah (17:9-10) reminds us, knows the human mind and heart. The transformation of the heart and soul of the believer by the grace of God to conform to all the demands of the Gospel takes place in this life, or, where lacking, in the next in the view of RC theology. Who knows what change took place in the good thief’s heart, mind and soul by grace as he hung there dying clinging to Jesus’ promise.
Entering eternity is not like entering the next room. Can one say God’s time is the same as ours?