Penitential rite forgives sins?

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On another thread a poster made the statement that the penitential rite at mass forgives venial sins (I’m talking about a latin rite mass). I was taught in Catholic school long ago that, if one has sorrow for venial sins, it is the reception of Jesus in the Eucharist that forgives our sins. Saying the confiteor is only a way in which we express our contrition.

The poster was saying that the penitential rite is what forgives our sin (or through it God forgives us) and therefore if we miss it we shouldn’t go to communion because we would be approaching it unworthily.
 
venial sins can be forgiven through prayer, reception of the Holy Eucharist, the penitential rite or sacramental confession.
 
Claire_from_DE said:
On another thread a poster made the statement that the penitential rite at mass forgives venial sins
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Correct.
I was taught in Catholic school long ago that, if one has sorrow for venial sins, it is the reception of Jesus in the Eucharist that forgives our sins.
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Correct.
Saying the confiteor is only a way in which we express our contrition.
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Incorrect. Prayer forgives venial sins. So, the Eucharist, the confiteor, or any other prayer forgives venial sins (so long as there is contrition).
The poster was saying that the penitential rite is what forgives our sin (or through it God forgives us) and therefore if we miss it we shouldn’t go to communion because we would be approaching it unworthily.
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Rubbish.

According to St. Augustine and the constant teaching of Catholic tradition prayer forgives venial sins. I’ll look for a reference.
 
“When you shall have been baptized, keep to a good life in the commandments of God so that you may preserve your baptism to the very end. I do not tell you that you will live here without sin, but they are venial sins which this life is never without. Baptism was instituted for all sins. For light sins, without which we cannot live, prayer was instituted. . . . But do not commit those sins on account of which you would have to be separated from the body of Christ. Perish the thought! For those whom you see doing penance have committed crimes, either adultery or some other enormities. That is why they are doing penance. If their sins were light, daily prayer would suffice to blot them out. . . . In the Church, therefore, there are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptisms, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance” (Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15, 8:16 [A.D. 395]).

from Saint Augustine of Hippo
 
St. Augustine: “In three ways then are sins remitted in the Church; by Baptism, by prayer, by the greater humility of penance” (*A Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed, *16).
 
Claire_from_DE said:
On another thread a poster made the statement that the penitential rite at mass forgives venial sins (I’m talking about a latin rite mass). I was taught in Catholic school long ago that, if one has sorrow for venial sins, it is the reception of Jesus in the Eucharist that forgives our sins. Saying the confiteor is only a way in which we express our contrition.

The poster was saying that the penitential rite is what forgives our sin (or through it God forgives us) and therefore if we miss it we shouldn’t go to communion because we would be approaching it unworthily.
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You are both correct. Always remembering that it is only venial sins, never mortal sins that are forgiven in this manner.
 
Holy Communion wipes away venial sin:

From the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
**292. What are the fruits of Holy Communion? (CCC: 1391-1397, 1416)

Holy Communion increases our union with Christ and with his Church. It preserves and renews the life of grace received at Baptism and Confirmation and makes us grow in love for our neighbor. It strengthens us in charity, wipes away venial sins and preserves us from mortal sin in the future.**
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
You are both correct. Always remembering that it is only venial sins, never mortal sins that are forgiven in this manner.
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Bro Rich it seems that you are agreeing with the part that if a person misses the penitential rite they shouldn’t receive communion. Did you mean to agree with that?
 
Claire_from_DE said:
On another thread a poster made the statement that the penitential rite at mass forgives venial sins (I’m talking about a latin rite mass). I was taught in Catholic school long ago that, if one has sorrow for venial sins, it is the reception of Jesus in the Eucharist that forgives our sins. Saying the confiteor is only a way in which we express our contrition.
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Yes, grasshopper, but this isn’t about the bit where we say the Confiteor (though it is beneficial to do so and I wish it was compulsory at every Mass), it’s about the bit afterwards where the priest says ‘may Almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life’. THAT is a mini-absolution, not effective for mortal sins but DOES result in absolution from venial sins.
The poster was saying that the penitential rite is what forgives our sin (or through it God forgives us) and therefore if we miss it we shouldn’t go to communion because we would be approaching it unworthily.
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That’s silly. The reception of Communion in ITSELF also results in forgiveness of venial sins, regardless of whether or not we’ve been at the Penitential Rite beforehand.

The reason the Penitential Rite is a) done by all, regardless of whether or not they’re receiving Communion and b) done at the very beginning of Mass, is that it ain’t about receiving communion or not, it’s about being as worthy as possible to be a part of the Mass full stop.

If you’re late, a good Act of Contrition will procure absolution of venial sins perfectly well - it’s a good idea to say one to yourself if you miss the Penitential Rite.
 
Seatuck said:
Bro Rich it seems that you are agreeing with the part that if a person misses the penitential rite they shouldn’t receive communion. Did you mean to agree with that?
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Both receiving Holy Communion and the Penitential Rite forgive Venial sins. If one misses the Penitential Rite there is no reason to not receive Holy Communion as long as one is not aware of any Mortal sins. Of course being late for Mass without a good reason is a Venial sin itself.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
Both receiving Holy Communion and the Penitential Rite forgive Venial sins. If one misses the Penitential Rite there is no reason to not receive Holy Communion as long as one is not aware of any Mortal sins. Of course being late for Mass without a good reason is a Venial sin itself.
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That thread was about coming in late for daily mass for which there can be many reasons for being late such as needing to be with children until the bus comes, etc.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
Both receiving Holy Communion and the Penitential Rite forgive Venial sins. If one misses the Penitential Rite there is no reason to not receive Holy Communion as long as one is not aware of any Mortal sins. Of course being late for Mass without a good reason is a Venial sin itself.
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That only applies in the case of being late to Sunday Mass without good reason, since Sunday is the only Mass which we are actually under obligation to attend.
 
LilyM said:
That only applies in the case of being late to Sunday Mass without good reason, since Sunday is the only Mass which we are actually under obligation to attend.
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You should not be late for any Mass, if you truely understand what it is you are attending, Sunday or otherwise. As I noted there are of course reasonable reasons, train or bus late, traffic, children, etc. However stopping for an extra Coffee or news paper, or to grab breakfast first knowing it will make you late, would not be unacceptable reasons.
 
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