Penitential Rite

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Perhaps this is not the correct forum for this question – if so, forgive me.

Growing up, I became accustomed to the Penetential Rite (“I confess to Almighty God…”) being a standard part of the Mass. I lapsed for many years, and only recently resumed attending Mass. Since coming back, I am unable to think of a Mass I’ve attended that included the Penetential Rite – and that includes Masses in three states!

What happened? Did I miss something (again)? I rather like the Penetential Rite, and always saw it as the moment in which we “confess” before our fellow man – a nice complement to the very private nature of the confessional.

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Dante
 
One of the options that priests have is to use the form

Priest: (The priest prays a short invocation): Lord, have mercy.
Congregation: Lord, have mercy.
Priest: (Second invocation): Christ, have mercy.
Congregation: Christ, have mercy.
Priest: (Third invocation): Lord, have mercy.
Congregation: Lord, have mercy.

instead of the one you are familiar with. This form also incorporates the Kyrie Eleison. This is probably what has happened.

Truth be told, I prefer the Confiteor.
 
Currently, in our parish we do the “I confess” about every other week. It is optional. Usually they do option B, rather than option A in many parishes.
 
In my experience, every Sunday Mass has had the Confeteor while daily Masses often use the shorter form mentioned above.
 
EEK! I meant option C, but I can’t edit. They never use option B. It is like the plague or something.
 
The Novus Ordo Masses in our parish always use option A (I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and sisters…) for Sunday Masses. We also use it for daily Mass most of the time.

The confiteor from the Tridentine Rite (I confess to Almighty God, to Blessed Mary ever Virgin, blessed Michael the Archangel, blessed John the Baptist, the holy apostles Peter and Paul…) has been replaced by option A.
 
So, I guess the bottom line is that it’s at the priest’s discretion whether to use “I confess…” or the Kyrie…yes?

Peace,
Dante
 
there are 3 general options for the penitential rite, only one of which uses the I Confess, there are also times where it is replaced by other rites such as Masses where baptisms will be done, blessing of palms, aspersion rite, various rites for RCIA etc.
 
Penitant said:
One of the options that priests have is to use the form

Priest: (The priest prays a short invocation): Lord, have mercy.
Congregation: Lord, have mercy.
Priest: (Second invocation): Christ, have mercy.
Congregation: Christ, have mercy.
Priest: (Third invocation): Lord, have mercy.
Congregation: Lord, have mercy.

instead of the one you are familiar with. This form also incorporates the Kyrie Eleison. This is probably what has happened.

Truth be told, I prefer the Confiteor.
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The invocations aren’t up to the priest. They are:

You were sent to heal the contrite Lord have mercy
You came to call sinners Christ have mercy
You plead for us at the right hand of the Father Lord have mercy

The other option is;

Lord we have sinned against you
Lord have mercy
Lord show us your mercy and love
And grant us your salvation
 
Titus said:
The invocations aren’t up to the priest.
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My one prayerbook with an order of the mass in it says that similar words can be used in place of the invocations given, and my St. Joseph Weekday Missal actually has a few pages with alternate texts that can be used for the invocations in option C. I recognize several of the alternate sets of invocations given, having heard them.

My missal is older though, from the seventies, I think.
 
Pug said:
My one prayerbook with an order of the mass in it says that similar words can be used in place of the invocations given, and my St. Joseph Weekday Missal actually has a few pages with alternate texts that can be used for the invocations in option C. I recognize several of the alternate sets of invocations given, having heard them.

My missal is older though, from the seventies, I think.
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Sounds like classic 70s liturgy to me, but I could be wrong. From a scan of the GIRM, I see no mention of alternate parts, either way. How can we clear this up?
 
Titus said:
Sounds like classic 70s liturgy to me, but I could be wrong. From a scan of the GIRM, I see no mention of alternate parts, either way. How can we clear this up?
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I dunno. 🙂 Perhaps someone can offer better insight. I glanced at the GIRM before posting what my missal said, in case I found something there. But I only glanced. Based on what I’ve seen actually done, you can vary the invocations. But that is anecdotal only.
 
lak611 said:
I have never heard this at any Mass I have been to.
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Me neither. But it’s in my missal. I do think it’s a valid alternative, just rare.

And from further research, I have concluded that though it isn’t spelled out anywhere, the Option C invocations are variable (apparently at the will of the celebrant).
 
lak611 said:
I have never heard this at any Mass I have been to.
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I’ve heard and have said this one on a few occasions. The priest even explained it before hand and said we were going to say that particular form of the Penitential Rite that Sunday.
 
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