It is simply advised to do penance on Fridays outside of Lent and during Advent. The Bishops terminated the obligation under pain of sin to do any penance on Fridays outside of Lent, so we are not obliged to replace abstinence with another penance. Fridays remain a day of penance, but we are not obligated under pain of sin to do anything.Thank you.
I read that earlier and it seems that it may be saying that you don’t have to abstain from meat under pain of sin, but that you have to do something else instead. Am I reading this wrong? Also, what about Advent?
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Ed
The term “under pain of sin” is not found anywhere in the 1983 code of canon law.It is clear that during Lent, there are certain pennetential rules that we must adhere to under the pain of sin. But, what about other pennetential days such as Advent and Fridays. Is pennance simply an encouragement during these times or is there some obligation under the pain of sin? Any other days or rules?
No, they did not.It is simply advised to do penance on Fridays outside of Lent and during Advent. The Bishops terminated the obligation under pain of sin to do any penance on Fridays outside of Lent, so we are not obliged to replace abstinence with another penance. Fridays remain a day of penance, but we are not obligated under pain of sin to do anything.
They certainly did terminate the obligation under pain of sin to do penance on Fridays. Here is a video of Jimmy Akin talking about it briefly, and here is an article of his that is more thorough than the video. I wish the Bishops hadn’t done this, but I grudgingly had to accept the fact that they did after speaking with a priest on the matter.No, they did not.
It is not in the competence of the episcopal conference to terminate the obligation to do penance on Fridays, because this is Divine Law. What the USCCB did is terminate the requirement that the penance take the form of abstinence from meat.
Fridays remain a day of penance, and we remain obliged under pain of sin to do some form of penance on all Fridays of the year. Personally, I choose to abstain from meat, as is highly recommended by the USCCB.
Jimmy Akin is wrong. We’ve been over this. I trust Father David’s word, he is a priest and excellent canonist.They certainly did terminate the obligation under pain of sin to do penance on Fridays. Here is a video of Jimmy Akin talking about it briefly, and here is an article of his that is more thorough than the video. I wish the Bishops hadn’t done this, but I grudgingly had to accept the fact that they did after speaking with a priest on the matter.
I am not inclined to believe that he is wrong because two priests that I have spoken to agree with him.Jimmy Akin is wrong. We’ve been over this.
And yet there is no proof. There is no statement that the bishops terminated penance. It can’t be found. Unsurprising because they have no authority to terminate penance. If you have a statement to the contrary then I encourage you to quote and link it.I am not inclined to believe that he is wrong because two priests that I have spoken to agree with him.
Fr. Z, who is a renowned priest that is well versed in Canon Law, also is of the opinion that there is no obligation under pain of sin to do penance on ordinary Fridays. The priest that I inquired about this problem came from a traditional abbey nearby that trained all the priests in my parish; I have never found these priests to be in error nor have I found Fr. Z to be in error. The diocesan priest to which I spoke also hasn’t erred as far as I can remember.And yet there is no proof. There is no statement that the bishops terminated penance. It can’t be found. Unsurprising because they have no authority to terminate penance. If you have a statement to the contrary then I encourage you to quote and link it.
Matthew 16:24 - Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (also Mark 8:34 and Luke 9:23)So it seems there is significant disagreement. I have also had a Priest confirm that there is no obligation under pain of sin. How do we get to a resolution? Also, what about Advent?
Big difference between penance in a general sense and specific penance on a specific day under pain of specific sin. Nobody argued about penance in general. I’m asking about specific situations.Matthew 16:24 - Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (also Mark 8:34 and Luke 9:23)
The life of a Christian is a life of penance. You can listen to Jimmy Akin or any of the other, so called, experts. I will obey my King.
What specific situations? If you’re doing penance everyday, as you should be, what is the problem?Big difference between penance in a general sense and specific penance on a specific day under pain of specific sin. Nobody argued about penance in general. I’m asking about specific situations.
For your perusal. Please note Canon 21.It should also be said said that those who disagree with your view, Akin included, do not say that confusion or lack of clarity in the statement should then revert to the prior rule.
The 1983 Code of Canon Law states:What if a Holy Day, such as Christmas this year, falls on a Friday? Our we obligated to do penance on a Holy Day?
No, we are not obligated to do penance on a Holy Day. However, Jesus healed on the Sabbath. I doubt He would disapprove of an act of charity on a Holy Day.What if a Holy Day, such as Christmas this year, falls on a Friday? Our we obligated to do penance on a Holy Day?