Pennsylvania, USA: Students take school district to Supreme Court after it allows "transgender" students of the opposite sex into bathrooms and locker

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Zaccheus said:
If students in a school that specifically welcomes trans students are being harassed for being trans, it’s not immature for the school or the students to make a statement objecting to the harassment.
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  1. I never said to not give a statement. I just said the poster was immature and not the right way to do it.
  2. I’m unaware of harassment occurring at the school that the poster is from. It’s different from the one in the article. The two schools aren’t even in the same state.
 
You know most transgender people would prefer to keep their genitalia hidden. Why not sue for gender neutral facilities? There many kids who are uncomfortable in “normal” facilities for a myriad of reasons other than transgender.
 
Notice the deafening silence from “feminist” groups, who have no interest in protecting girls from boys in their facilities or from boys competing in girls’ sports. “Feminist” groups only believe in Leftist causes, that’s all.
 
1cthlctrth said:
Notice the deafening silence from “feminist” groups
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TERFs would raise a fuss about letting transwomen into the women’s restroom. However, most feminists don’t care or are all for it.
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who have no interest in protecting girls from boys in their facilities or from boys competing in girls’ sports
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Part of that is because they see transwomen as women, not men. Part of it is that many feminists see feminist causes as needing to extend to trans people, since that’s seen as another group of people marginalized over gender issues.
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“Feminist” groups only believe in Leftist causes, that’s all.
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You can generally find feminists that intersect with various right-wing causes. For instance, there are feminists who are pro-life.
 
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What do you define as a normal facility and what would a gender neutral facility look like?
 
A gender neutral facility would be one of those single room bathrooms.
 
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I’ve no problem accepting some people are trans or with how anyone dresses, I just don’t think male bodied adults belong in women’s spaces. I feel for these teens put in such a humiliating position.
 
1cthlctrth said:
Notice the deafening silence from “feminist” groups, who have no interest in protecting girls from boys in their facilities or from boys competing in girls’ sports. “Feminist” groups only believe in Leftist causes, that’s all.
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In one of my college classes a guest speaker came to talk about feminism. One of the things she said was that a lot of people have a misconception that feminism is about equality for women. But it’s really about looking at the worpd and realizing how things like the patriarchy affect our decisions.

In light if that kind of sentiment, it’s not too surprising.

I also want to say I’m not arguing for her point of view. I’m just putting it out there as a helpful tidbit as the definition of feminism seems to be in transition.
 
jeannetherese said:
What do you define as a normal facility and what would a gender neutral facility look like?
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One with a male and female symbol on it and a single room with a lockable door.
ConfusedLucy said:
I’ve no problem accepting some people are trans or with how anyone dresses, I just don’t think male bodied adults belong in women’s spaces. I feel for these teens put in such a humiliating position.
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How about female bodied humans in men’s spaces? As a woman, I’m completely aware of the vulnerability of women, but no one seems to worry about the opposite.
mVitus said:
In one of my college classes a guest speaker came to talk about feminism. One of the things she said was that a lot of people have a misconception that feminism is about equality for women. But it’s really about looking at the worpd and realizing how things like the patriarchy affect our decisions.

In light if that kind of sentiment, it’s not too surprising.
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Exactly!!! Almost anything we are debating about in this country LBGT, feminism, rape accusations, religious freedom, racism, poverty, etc have to do with privilege and society. The problem is that the groups having their privilege most challenged are whites and especially males. But, that does not mean all such folks are at the top of the heap.

I’ll be honest, I despise just about everything that has been happening politically in the last few years. But I also understand that there are plenty of poor white folks who rightfully feel like the system has passed them by. That’s real and I understand the reaction to be a large part of what has given us the current situation This is despite that I believe it has given power to those who are most working against them by centering the power of the rich. I also understand the “opposite” side does (or can seem to) only come around when they need votes. There is also certainly a disconnect between the “liberal elite” on the coasts.

I know this is a a bit of a tangent from the original topic, but it bears saying in these situations. The more we are chocking each other because of contempt, the less we can come to understand or come to a workable solution to the opposite position. We also are allowing the powers on all sides to exercise more power while we debate red meat thrown out to distract us. We need to fight less and remind them of who they work for.
 
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I once read a kid’s book entitled “There’s a Boy in the Girl’s Bathroom,” by Louis Sachar. It’s a funny and innocent book. It probably couldn’t be published now under the same title without raising transgender issues, which were non-existent at the time of its writing.
 
This is ridiculous! Why should girls have to change in front of boys just because the boys say they’re girls (and vice versa)!?! Wether or not you believe all this transgender nonsense is irrelevant. You can see that their bodies are different and it is as such that they ought to be separated.
I honestly can’t believe that anyone actually believes this transgender stuff. Honestly, it’s like a little kid walks up to her mom and says, “look Mom, I’m a princess.” Does the whole world need to treat her like a princess now because that’s what she believes that she is?!? Since when are the parents the ones to obey the kids?
 
JimG said:
I once read a kid’s book entitled “There’s a Boy in the Girl’s Bathroom,” by Louis Sachar. It’s a funny and innocent book. It probably couldn’t be published now under the same title without raising transgender issues, which were non-existent at the time of its writing.
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Years ago there was a stage play (I can’t remember the name of it). It was a screwball comedy about this married couple who were complete kooks.
One of their story lines was that they weren’t telling anybody the sex of their baby because they didn’t want to tell it what to do and wanted it to be free to decide later.
The play was absolutely hilarious.
Of course, at the time it was written nobody, including the author, thought our society would actually come to this. It was clear in the writing that it was more an allegory about choosing your own career or religion.
 
jeannetherese said:
what would a gender neutral facility look like?
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At the Starbucks Roastery in Seattle, there is one general bathroom with many single-person rooms. That’s just one example of how it can be done.
ASC said:
I honestly can’t believe that anyone actually believes this transgender stuff.
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Do you have gender dysphoria?
ASC said:
Honestly, it’s like a little kid walks up to her mom and says, “look Mom, I’m a princess.” Does the whole world need to treat her like a princess now because that’s what she believes that she is?!? Since when are the parents the ones to obey the kids?
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Well, the parents might play along with the princess fantasy out of love for their daughter, and “pretend play” (or “fantasy play”) is good for child development.

Likewise, people may, out of love, however misguided you want to say that love is, help those with gender dysphoria. They know that gender dysphoria is painful to deal with and that no one chooses it. In fact, when it comes to nature vs. nurture, research generally shows that it’s not even something nurtured.
 
ConfusedLucy said:
I don’t think women belong in men’s spaces either
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I’m glad you can be consistent on the one, but it’s telling the way you originally went.
ASC said:
Honestly, it’s like a little kid walks up to her mom and says, “look Mom, I’m a princess.” Does the whole world need to treat her like a princess now because that’s what she believes that she is?!? Since when are the parents the ones to obey the kids?
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I don’t think any parent (certainly and extraordinarily few) that goes down this path lightly. It certainly would take years of consistent behavior before I’d even consider going down such a path. I know very well the headwinds such kids face and even then I’d be quite cautious. Any irreversible changes certainly need to be made as an adult. There have been more than a few cases of identical twins where one is transgender and one is not. Clearly this is not and issue of genetics or nurture. Gender identity is extraordinarily complex and that is hard for many people to wrap their heads around that.

Also, if it’s all about genetics, then why do we have people with DNA other than XY or XX? Why do we have people who are genetically male but develop ambiguous genitalia or ones that even have a complete vaginas (and are often so female in appearance and identity that they only find out after not menstruating)? Yes, they exist and don’t predictably determine the gender identity such people claim for their own. Such people have often have had their genitalia altered as a child to fit social norms. Again this doesn’t necessarily affect the gender the person identifies with most.

Now some of you are certainly thinking that does not translate to transgender identity. But these are children of God, naturally born, who do not reflect the social norms or for that matter not even what the Bible says. Might this not cause some reflection on what it means to be male or female? Or, more importantly, push us out of our comfort zone on such issues? Maybe we stick to the binary gender construct because it makes the world simpler?
 
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The pro-life cause and pro-lifers are condemned by feminists as “anti-woman”.
 
Even just 5 to 10 years ago, who would have ever thought that this nonsense would be forced upon our girls?
 
Yes, thanks for supporting my claim that most feminists don’t care about what we’re doing to our girls.
 
The overwhelming power by “feminists” exists on the Left. Sure you can find low-influence good “feminists”.
Notice that repeated attacks on Conservative women Laura Ingraham, Sara Palin, Candace Owens, Dana Loesch, Kellyanne Conway, and Sarah Sanders are not criticized by the the large and powerful Leftist feminists.
 
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