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Help Brothers/Sisters,

I have been attending church with my girlfriend and she receives communion in her pentecostal church. However she now is ready to attend Catholic church with me 🙂

My question is, is she able to receive communion in the Catholic church?
What should i be aware of considering this is her first time?
 
Help Brothers/Sisters,

I have been attending church with my girlfriend and she receives communion in her pentecostal church. However she now is ready to attend Catholic church with me 🙂

My question is, is she able to receive communion in the Catholic church?
What should i be aware of considering this is her first time?
She would not be able to receive Communion until she has gone through RCIA. This is not to say she can’t participate in other parts of the Mass, like the singing. But she has to know about and believe in the Real Presence or she would be eating and drinking Divine judgement on herself. Look up 1st Corinthians 11:29. Non-Catholics are not allowed to take Catholic Communion for this reason. She has to be confirmed first.
 
Thank you, My next question is, her aunt believes i need to be “born again” to be saved. I have explained to her that i Have been baptized and confirmed but for some reason it’s not good enough? Do you know anything about this?
 
Let her know that the point of Mass is purely worship. Many protestants attend their services expecting to be taught something about God or the Bible, and then come away thinking Mass was a waste of time. Letting her know that the purposes are different, IME, help protestants gain a better understanding and appreciation for the Mass. I think this is a big difference that too often we forget to explain.
 
Thank you, My next question is, her aunt believes i need to be “born again” to be saved. I have explained to her that i Have been baptized and confirmed but for some reason it’s not good enough? Do you know anything about this?
Catholic,
Please be very careful. These people are probably not very accepting of the Catholic faith and will likely challenge you in many areas of your faith. Take the time to research why you believe the way you believe. What kind of pentecostal is she? Is she Apostolic by any chance?
 
Catholic,
Please be very careful. These people are probably not very accepting of the Catholic faith and will likely challenge you in many areas of your faith. Take the time to research why you believe the way you believe. What kind of pentecostal is she? Is she Apostolic by any chance?
Not sure what her family is? But what i do know is that they are very accepting of the Catholic faith but they believe i must be born again to truly be saved.

They believed that we as catholics worship Mary and i had to explain that to her. So really their questions of my faith give me the oppurtunity to help them understand it.
 
Not sure what her family is? But what i do know is that they are very accepting of the Catholic faith but they believe i must be born again to truly be saved.

They believed that we as catholics worship Mary and i had to explain that to her. So really their questions of my faith give me the oppurtunity to help them understand it.
It’s good that they are open.
My brother is getting married in a couple weeks. She was Apostolic Pentecostal. She was open minded and fell in love with the church and converted. However, her family truly believes that she has lost her salvation. They are truly mislead which is sad. We can only pray that they can see the Truth.
 
Find out what kind of pentecostal she is. If she is Apostolic, they don’t believe in the Trinity and believe that you need to be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved. They will quote from Acts ALOT as this is the basis of their faith.

As far as communion is concerned, she can’t receive in the Catholic church. Perhaps she can cross her hands over her chest to receive a blessing.
 
Find out what kind of pentecostal she is. If she is Apostolic, they don’t believe in the Trinity and believe that you need to be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved. They will quote from Acts ALOT as this is the basis of their faith.

As far as communion is concerned, she can’t receive in the Catholic church. Perhaps she can cross her hands over her chest to receive a blessing.
They firmly believe in the Trinity.
 
Thank you, My next question is, her aunt believes i need to be “born again” to be saved. I have explained to her that i Have been baptized and confirmed but for some reason it’s not good enough? Do you know anything about this?
This person thinks you need to have an adult conversion in order to be saved. I just explained why this is wrong over here.
 
This person thinks you need to have an adult conversion in order to be saved. I just explained why this is wrong over here.
She quotes the scripture John 3:3. Explaining you cannot be saved unless you become born again. And by meaning born again they mean baptized in holy spirit as Jesus was and one MUST ask Jesus into their heart in order to have salvation.
 
Help Brothers/Sisters,

I have been attending church with my girlfriend and she receives communion in her pentecostal church. However she now is ready to attend Catholic church with me 🙂

My question is, is she able to receive communion in the Catholic church?
What should i be aware of considering this is her first time?
She will not know the order of service, when to sit, stand, kneel… When to respond to the call during a reading, etc.
She quotes the scripture John 3:3. Explaining you cannot be saved unless you become born again. And by meaning born again they mean baptized in holy spirit as Jesus was and one MUST ask Jesus into their heart in order to have salvation.
The moment you accepted the truth of the Holy Trinity you are born again in evangelic speak. If you can’t point to that time then it is questioned whether you “really” believe and thus have been born again or you are just going through the motions making you a Christian Church attending seeker.
 
She quotes the scripture John 3:3. Explaining you cannot be saved unless you become born again. And by meaning born again they mean baptized in holy spirit as Jesus was and one MUST ask Jesus into their heart in order to have salvation
You were baptized of water and the Spirit already, and you told her that. And are they suggesting that you have to use certain words in particular to “ask Jesus into your heart”? What is good enough for them to accept? I ask because I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where certain words guarantee salvation, but not to say those certain words guarantees condemnation.

You accept Jesus into your heart in every way they do, and in an even bigger way when you receive communion.
 
So you have a Pentecostal (a Protestant who emphasizes the Holy Spirit) come up to your door and when you tell her you’re Catholic, she tells you that you need to accept Jesus into your heart in order to be saved. You explain to her that you do that every time you receive Holy Communion, but she says that this cannot save you and that you must say the “Sinner’s Prayer” or otherwise “accept Jesus into your heart” by saying some other prayer in order to be saved.

So you ask her to show you where in the Bible it says so.
She quotes the scripture John 3:3.
[BIBLEDRB]John 3:3[/BIBLEDRB]
So how does one become “born again?” It does not say. Only this:

[BIBLEDRB]John 3:4-6[/BIBLEDRB]

Okay, water and the Holy Spirit. How does that work?

[BIBLEDRB]Acts 2:38-39[/BIBLEDRB]

To recieve the Holy Spirit one must be baptized and repent. Note that we are told that this promise is for children also.

What about total immersion? Is it necessary? No.
[BIBLEDRB]Ezekiel 36:25[/BIBLEDRB]
Most modern translations have “sprinkle” for “pour” so there you go.

Now you say they explain
“you cannot be saved unless you become born again. And by meaning born again they mean baptized in holy spirit as Jesus was”
So far no problem… we are baptized in water and the Holy Spirit when we recieve the Sacrament of Baptism. And God can certainly baptize with the Holy Spirit alone (i.e. give grace of salvation) in the event that someone dies without having had the chance to be baptized. But as you can see the biblical practice is to baptize children and to do so either by immersion or pouring. But look at the next part they claim…
and one MUST ask Jesus into their heart in order to have salvation.
This is VERY problematic. If you MUST personally ask Jesus into your heart or else you go to hell, well then so much for the unborn, the mentally infirm, the mute, etc. I’m sorry, but that attitude is not biblical because:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 2:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]

Now if Jesus wants everyone to be saved, He is not going to fail in His desire to save someone simply because they didn’t have a chance to say or do the right things. Who are we to say that He can’t save that baby because his mother made a mistake that kept him from being born? No matter how excited the Pentecostals seem about the day “they accepted Jesus into their heart,” you must look beneath the surface; Jesus would NEVER condone this kind of exclusionary theology that says you MUST say their “sinner’s prayer” or else you go to hell.

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 18:16[/BIBLEDRB]

Moreover, this “baptism by the sinner’s prayer” (which they call “Holy Spirit baptism”) totally omits the fact that John 3:5 also refers to being baptized in water. You hear ridiculous claims in response like that the “water” is amniotic fluid (what?) or is just a metaphor for the Bible/Word of God (which again leads to a false conclusion that those who are illiterate, juvenile or mentally infirm cannot be saved). But the Bible clearly shows in many verses (especially Acts 8:36-38) that the baptism which Jesus commanded the Apostles to perform was with… you know… water, H2O, dihydrogen monoxide, oxidane, hydrogen hydroxide… you get the idea.

There is no way to avoid this problem by claiming that there are exemptions to the “sinner’s prayer” requirement for the unborn, mentally infirm, mute, etc. Such a claim leads to a ridiculous conclusion. Psalm 51 says we are all born into original sin; why then would someone suddenly become “unsaved” when they reach a certain age and need to say the “sinner’s prayer” or whatnot? Usually the Pentecostals claim that once someone is saved they are always saved (yet another error, see Hebrews 10:26); yet if someone is saved if they die before, say, age 7, but then need to say the sinner’s prayer on their 7th birthday OR ELSE, then… that’s just a complete contradiction.

Ultimately we are saved by the grace of God ALONE. Humans cannot do anything to merit salvation. (Not even say the sinner’s prayer.) Salvation doesn’t hinge on any particular action that a person takes or doesn’t take; however, salvation can be rejected by rejecting what is commanded by God–to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins.

But remember, pouring of water by itself isn’t what saves; it is the grace that God gives through the Sacrament of Baptism that saves, and God can certainly pour out that grace in other ways such that someone can die without baptism through no fault of their own and still be saved.
 
Great post. And I have to add, I never thought of that side of once saved always saved before!
 
So you have a Pentecostal (a Protestant who emphasizes the Holy Spirit) come up to your door and when you tell her you’re Catholic, she tells you that you need to accept Jesus into your heart in order to be saved. You explain to her that you do that every time you receive Holy Communion, but she says that this cannot save you and that you must say the “Sinner’s Prayer” or otherwise “accept Jesus into your heart” by saying some other prayer in order to be saved.

So you ask her to show you where in the Bible it says so.

[BIBLEDRB]John 3:3[/BIBLEDRB]
So how does one become “born again?” It does not say. Only this:

[BIBLEDRB]John 3:4-6[/BIBLEDRB]

Okay, water and the Holy Spirit. How does that work?

[BIBLEDRB]Acts 2:38-39[/BIBLEDRB]

To recieve the Holy Spirit one must be baptized and repent. Note that we are told that this promise is for children also.

What about total immersion? Is it necessary? No.
[BIBLEDRB]Ezekiel 36:25[/BIBLEDRB]
Most modern translations have “sprinkle” for “pour” so there you go.

Now you say they explain

So far no problem… we are baptized in water and the Holy Spirit when we recieve the Sacrament of Baptism. And God can certainly baptize with the Holy Spirit alone (i.e. give grace of salvation) in the event that someone dies without having had the chance to be baptized. But as you can see the biblical practice is to baptize children and to do so either by immersion or pouring. But look at the next part they claim…

This is VERY problematic. If you MUST personally ask Jesus into your heart or else you go to hell, well then so much for the unborn, the mentally infirm, the mute, etc. I’m sorry, but that attitude is not biblical because:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 2:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]

Now if Jesus wants everyone to be saved, He is not going to fail in His desire to save someone simply because they didn’t have a chance to say or do the right things. Who are we to say that He can’t save that baby because his mother made a mistake that kept him from being born? No matter how excited the Pentecostals seem about the day “they accepted Jesus into their heart,” you must look beneath the surface; Jesus would NEVER condone this kind of exclusionary theology that says you MUST say their “sinner’s prayer” or else you go to hell.

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 18:16[/BIBLEDRB]

Moreover, this “baptism by the sinner’s prayer” (which they call “Holy Spirit baptism”) totally omits the fact that John 3:5 also refers to being baptized in water. You hear ridiculous claims in response like that the “water” is amniotic fluid (what?) or is just a metaphor for the Bible/Word of God (which again leads to a false conclusion that those who are illiterate, juvenile or mentally infirm cannot be saved). But the Bible clearly shows in many verses (especially Acts 8:36-38) that the baptism which Jesus commanded the Apostles to perform was with… you know… water, H2O, dihydrogen monoxide, oxidane, hydrogen hydroxide… you get the idea.

There is no way to avoid this problem by claiming that there are exemptions to the “sinner’s prayer” requirement for the unborn, mentally infirm, mute, etc. Such a claim leads to a ridiculous conclusion. Psalm 51 says we are all born into original sin; why then would someone suddenly become “unsaved” when they reach a certain age and need to say the “sinner’s prayer” or whatnot? Usually the Pentecostals claim that once someone is saved they are always saved (yet another error, see Hebrews 10:26); yet if someone is saved if they die before, say, age 7, but then need to say the sinner’s prayer on their 7th birthday OR ELSE, then… that’s just a complete contradiction.

Ultimately we are saved by the grace of God ALONE. Humans cannot do anything to merit salvation. (Not even say the sinner’s prayer.) Salvation doesn’t hinge on any particular action that a person takes or doesn’t take; however, salvation can be rejected by rejecting what is commanded by God–to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins.

But remember, pouring of water by itself isn’t what saves; it is the grace that God gives through the Sacrament of Baptism that saves, and God can certainly pour out that grace in other ways such that someone can die without baptism through no fault of their own and still be saved.
Wow! Thank you so much you have given me so much to work with. Great Post. 👍
 
Wow! Thank you so much you have given me so much to work with. Great Post. 👍
That post of you is really good, Cat Herder. It’s also interesting for me to read about the Catholic position regarding Baptism being a Baptist. As the understanding of Baptism of the Pentecostals and Baptists are identical.

In general to that thread: I think Apostolic Pentecostals is a missleading term, joclucsylv. I thought when I read that there are Pentecostals out there you claim to be an apostolic Church like the Old Catholics/Utrecht or the Anglicans/Episcopoleans do.
The term Oneness Pentecostals is IMO clearer. - They are, btw, also considered as a cult by the Trinitarian Pentecostals as well as the Baptists (at least here in Austria).
 
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