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Where to start? My Grandfather Guy Shields was an AOG Preacher who founded Southwestern AOG Univesity, my granmother is a United Pentecostal Preacher, my father and mother, my father’s granmother, my Aunt and Uncles and so on. I was born and raised Pentecostal, memorized books of the (our)bible. Left public school at fifteen to go to a pentecostal school so I could graduate at 16, was ordained a minister and misionary at 16, did two year mission in Mexico.

That mission trip changed my life I had a lot of time to do nothing but study(and work like a dog). I came back at 18, a man with a choice to make, what to do with the rest of my life. I remember I felt I needed to join the priesthood(weird a pentcostal boy wanting to be a priest). I talked to my family and pastor about it and they were shocked, none of them condemned the idea but they were shocked. I remember all of them saying that God was going to do great things in my life and that if that’s where he was pointing me then I should go. I knew nothing of being a catholic or a preist but somehow felt God wanted me there. My dad talked to me about it and we reasoned that neither of us had a clue about how to even do that and he had no money to send me to a catholic college to even try.

Long story short after a discussion I ended up joining the Navy instead. I became a horrible hateful drugged up person. But I always remember the chaplin(catholic) was very kind to me and my conflict in faith(being at war as a christain) was always soothed by him. The Protestant Chaplin(I think Baptist) would always tell us we were hell bound, which I believed. After I got out I wanted God back in my life so my wife and I started going to a small Non-Dom church with no Pastor, that was eight years ago. I remember I was so hateful that I would openly mock what they were teaching and prove them wrong from the Bible that was more or less forced down my throat(although I’m very greatful for that forcing now ;P). I meant it in a negative way but they took it in a positive way, my third week there they asked me to preach, within a month I was ordained through with the Bible Way Fellowship(Pentecostal) as a Pastor and took over the church. It changed my life the hate melted away and I lived to preach the gospel. My business was very blessed but the church constantly had money trouble.

A year and a half ago I realized the treasurer was messing with the funds, I confronted him and he shut the church down, the property was in his name. The church split and I fell into a depression, which cost me my business. Then I really feel into a depression I didn’t even leave the house for almost three months, I stayed mostly in my room away from my family and everyone. I almost lost them but thankfully we’re recovering our relationship. I felt I had failed and God had turned His back on me, I wasn’t good enough for my church or God or anyone. I have a job now, delivering pizzas, and its time for me to get back right with God. I’m not going to make the same mistake three times, twice is enough. However, there are some things that bother me about becoming catholic I wanted protestant answers who have converted, especailly pentecostals.

Catholic Churches are very fancy, that seems odd to me, as a Pentecostal we are raised to play down riches and other things and that if God blesses you with things in the world its for you to bless others. Women wear plain dresses men wear button shirts and slacks(sunday best) but that’s about it. Our churchs are usualy simple and don’t have alot of symbols or other things. I suppose this is a rather stupid thing to worry about but it just doesn’t sit right with me.

The crucifix, I don’t like it Christ’s not on the cross anymore. We actually had a cross that said “He’s not there!” on it. I just don’t understand the purpose of the crucifix in representing a risen Lord and Savior.

Praying to Mary and the Saints. I was taught to pray to God, not even to God the Son, Jesus, but to God the Father. Which is what Jesus teaches us, and to ask in His name for things that are only of the highest spiritual importance(such as guidance, faith, and wisdom, never for worldly things). I was taught that the Our Father is the perfect prayer and why, repentence, glorification, faith, and needs. Nothing beyond it needs to be said, God will handle the rest as he sees fit. If you feel the need to ask for something(guidance, wisdom, extra faith) it should be done with fasting, from everything(food, friends, family, sex, anything that could remotely take your mind off God).

These are the things that are biggest to me, I also don’t understand that Bishops aren’t married and that married people cannot be pastors. But these things are not major issues for me. I still feel that I need to go to Saint Charles but I don’t want to. I don’t know why, I’d say old dogs don’t like learning new tricks but I’m only 30 so I’m not that old. 🙂 I’d like to hear from Pentecostals of the older style as I was brought up in but I’m open to anyone. How did you reconcile these types of things to your faith?
 
Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums,
and thank you for trusting us with some of your personal history

Regarding your questions:

I guess, even if poor, Catholics like to provide a beautiful place, because the church is not just a building in which to pray on Sundays ( however Catholics are not the only ones who have beautiful churches. There are beautiful Protestant churches also.)

As I began to say, a church is not just a once-a-week place…We believe Jesus’ words, “This is My Body” “This is my Blood” quite literally, and so the church is also a temple where Jesus remains in the presence of stored transubstanciated hosts. Just as the Jews built beautiful temples for the presence of God, so do we, although you will find humble and very simple Catholic churches. They do exist. Our churches usually have daily Masses, not just weekend ones, so the church is a continuing place of prayer, and people like to beautify them in honor of God, just as Solomon did.

The Cross is a symbol, and so is the crucifix. The crucifix is a more poignant reminder of the great sacrifice Jesus made to save us.
The cross is more sterile. It represents the sacrifice, but less poignantly. I don’t mean that disrespectfully, it is just that human understanding and love is more greatly stirred by the figure of Jesus our beloved Lord and Savior. A photo of your mother’s face representing her seated on her favorite chair is more poignant than a photo of the chair as the reminder of your mother.

Why do we ask the prayers of our brothers and sisters in heaven? They are part of the Body of Christ, just as we are. I can ask you for prayer, and also pray for you. Why may I not ask prayers of our brothers and sisters in heaven?

Why ask Mary’s intercession and prayers. The bible gives us answer. As you know the bible, you know the wedding feast of Cana. You will know that Mary subtly asked Jesus for help for the wedding hosts that they would not lose face in the Jewish community, “Son, tehy have no wine” they were running out of wine. Jesus replied that it wasn’t time for signs or miracles, but Mary simply directed the servants to do whatever Jesus told them, And depite His protests that it wasn’t the right time yet, He complied with her ‘intercession’ and changed the water into wine,
In this way, Jesus Himself acquiesced to Mary’s intercession for others. Jesus Himself and so, with no intention of ignoring our Savior’s lead, we do in fact ask her intercession. He could have stood by His initial protest, but He complied to her wish even though it wasn’t even a matter of life or death!

Does that help?

May God bless you. 🙂
 
You have been through a lot brother. I pray that God may bring peace and joy back into your life.

I recommend you watch this Pentecostal pastor’s story about his journey to Catholicism.

youtube.com/watch?v=8MvfAJ7ap8s
Catholic Churches are very fancy, that seems odd to me, as a Pentecostal we are raised to play down riches and other things and that if God blesses you with things in the world its for you to bless others. Women wear plain dresses men wear button shirts and slacks(sunday best) but that’s about it. Our churchs are usualy simple and don’t have alot of symbols or other things. I suppose this is a rather stupid thing to worry about but it just doesn’t sit right with me.
There are a couple of threads on this forum about this. Perhaps you can search a bit. I would say that first of all, beauty has great value in terms of evangelization. Peter Hitchens, brother of the notorious atheist Christopher Hitchens, was enthralled by the beauty of one of the paintings in a church and that began his process of conversion from atheism. Also, consider the Old Testament temple and it’s splendor. St. Francis of Assisi, who lived a very humble life of poverty said something like this - “Poverty in all things except those that pertain to the church.”
The crucifix, I don’t like it Christ’s not on the cross anymore. We actually had a cross that said “He’s not there!” on it. I just don’t understand the purpose of the crucifix in representing a risen Lord and Savior.
Actually, this is how Paul wants us to preach Christ.

“but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles” (1 Cor 1:23)
“O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?” (Gal 3:1)
Praying to Mary and the Saints. I was taught to pray to God, not even to God the Son, Jesus, but to God the Father. Which is what Jesus teaches us, and to ask in His name for things that are only of the highest spiritual importance(such as guidance, faith, and wisdom, never for worldly things). I was taught that the Our Father is the perfect prayer and why, repentence, glorification, faith, and needs. Nothing beyond it needs to be said, God will handle the rest as he sees fit. If you feel the need to ask for something(guidance, wisdom, extra faith) it should be done with fasting, from everything(food, friends, family, sex, anything that could remotely take your mind off God).
A couple of things need to be mentioned here. First, the word “pray” when used to describe prayer to saints means “making an earnest request”. I briefly describe this usage here.

While it is true that God does want us to directly pray to him, at the same time, we do pray to his Son, for the Bible also teaches us that. We see that Stephen prayed to Jesus. “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59). Paul prayed to Jesus so that the “thorn in his flesh” might be removed (2 Cor 12:8-9). We are instructed to call on the name of the Lord Jesus in 1 Cor 1:2.

At the same time, we also “pray” to others (in the sense of making an earnest request to each others). Paul, for eg. made an earnest request to the Ephesians to pray for him (Eph 6:19)

Using the same concept, we pray to the saints in heaven.
These are the things that are biggest to me, I also don’t understand that Bishops aren’t married and that married people cannot be pastors. But these things are not major issues for me. I still feel that I need to go to Saint Charles but I don’t want to.
The Catholic church has followed the guidance of Paul where he says, “I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord” (1 Cor 7:32)

Celibacy is a discipline of the church and it is something that the church could change (if the need arose). Currently, the church believes that enforcing this discipline is a good thing so that bishops can devote maximum time to the affairs of the Lord. Note that except for Peter, none of the other apostles (who were bishops themselves) were married.
 
While it is true that God does want us to directly pray to him, at the same time, we do pray to his Son, for the Bible also teaches us that. We see that Stephen prayed to Jesus. “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59). Paul prayed to Jesus so that the “thorn in his flesh” might be removed (2 Cor 12:8-9). We are instructed to call on the name of the Lord Jesus in 1 Cor 1:2.

At the same time, we also “pray” to others (in the sense of making an earnest request to each others). Paul, for eg. made an earnest request to the Ephesians to pray for him (Eph 6:19)

Using the same concept, we pray to the saints in heaven.
Yep, we ask intercession rather than “pray to” in the literal sense of the words.

Theres a great article on Catholic Answers that you might find interesting.

God bless!
 
Welcome , you will find answers here for everything , but remember you should understand the truth by heart , not by reasoning only

God bless!!
 
Where to start? My Grandfather Guy Shields was an AOG Preacher who founded Southwestern AOG Univesity, my granmother is a United Pentecostal Preacher, my father and mother, my father’s granmother, my Aunt and Uncles and so on. I was born and raised Pentecostal, memorized books of the (our)bible. Left public school at fifteen to go to a pentecostal school so I could graduate at 16, was ordained a minister and misionary at 16, did two year mission in Mexico.

That mission trip changed my life I had a lot of time to do nothing but study(and work like a dog). I came back at 18, a man with a choice to make, what to do with the rest of my life. I remember I felt I needed to join the priesthood(weird a pentcostal boy wanting to be a priest). I talked to my family and pastor about it and they were shocked, none of them condemned the idea but they were shocked. I remember all of them saying that God was going to do great things in my life and that if that’s where he was pointing me then I should go. I knew nothing of being a catholic or a preist but somehow felt God wanted me there. My dad talked to me about it and we reasoned that neither of us had a clue about how to even do that and he had no money to send me to a catholic college to even try.

Long story short after a discussion I ended up joining the Navy instead. I became a horrible hateful drugged up person. But I always remember the chaplin(catholic) was very kind to me and my conflict in faith(being at war as a christain) was always soothed by him. The Protestant Chaplin(I think Baptist) would always tell us we were hell bound, which I believed. After I got out I wanted God back in my life so my wife and I started going to a small Non-Dom church with no Pastor, that was eight years ago. I remember I was so hateful that I would openly mock what they were teaching and prove them wrong from the Bible that was more or less forced down my throat(although I’m very greatful for that forcing now ;P). I meant it in a negative way but they took it in a positive way, my third week there they asked me to preach, within a month I was ordained through with the Bible Way Fellowship(Pentecostal) as a Pastor and took over the church. It changed my life the hate melted away and I lived to preach the gospel. My business was very blessed but the church constantly had money trouble.

A year and a half ago I realized the treasurer was messing with the funds, I confronted him and he shut the church down, the property was in his name. The church split and I fell into a depression, which cost me my business. Then I really feel into a depression I didn’t even leave the house for almost three months, I stayed mostly in my room away from my family and everyone. I almost lost them but thankfully we’re recovering our relationship. I felt I had failed and God had turned His back on me, I wasn’t good enough for my church or God or anyone. I have a job now, delivering pizzas, and its time for me to get back right with God. I’m not going to make the same mistake three times, twice is enough. However, there are some things that bother me about becoming catholic I wanted protestant answers who have converted, especailly pentecostals.

Catholic Churches are very fancy, that seems odd to me, as a Pentecostal we are raised to play down riches and other things and that if God blesses you with things in the world its for you to bless others. Women wear plain dresses men wear button shirts and slacks(sunday best) but that’s about it. Our churchs are usualy simple and don’t have alot of symbols or other things. I suppose this is a rather stupid thing to worry about but it just doesn’t sit right with me.

The crucifix, I don’t like it Christ’s not on the cross anymore. We actually had a cross that said “He’s not there!” on it. I just don’t understand the purpose of the crucifix in representing a risen Lord and Savior.

Praying to Mary and the Saints. I was taught to pray to God, not even to God the Son, Jesus, but to God the Father. Which is what Jesus teaches us, and to ask in His name for things that are only of the highest spiritual importance(such as guidance, faith, and wisdom, never for worldly things). I was taught that the Our Father is the perfect prayer and why, repentence, glorification, faith, and needs. Nothing beyond it needs to be said, God will handle the rest as he sees fit. If you feel the need to ask for something(guidance, wisdom, extra faith) it should be done with fasting, from everything(food, friends, family, sex, anything that could remotely take your mind off God).

These are the things that are biggest to me, I also don’t understand that Bishops aren’t married and that married people cannot be pastors. But these things are not major issues for me. I still feel that I need to go to Saint Charles but I don’t want to. I don’t know why, I’d say old dogs don’t like learning new tricks but I’m only 30 so I’m not that old. 🙂 I’d like to hear from Pentecostals of the older style as I was brought up in but I’m open to anyone. How did you reconcile these types of things to your faith?
You only need to ask yourself ONE question. What’s the truth?

The truth stands alone, regardless of your background. Work out the truth, and then make a decision. And stick to it.
 
Where to start?
Welcome to the forums brother.🙂
Speaking as a former Baptist who reverted back to the Church he was baptized into, my first advice to you would be to slow down a little. 🙂
Take one issue at a time and study it thoroughly. If you try to take on too much you will get frustated.
 
Dear qalzp10,
From one two time loser at being a Protestant to another. I knew some folks who were AOG. Lots of emotion on the outside and lots of anger on the inside. I avoided that church as I had my own issues with two other Protestant churches I ran from. If you read some of my (name removed by moderator)uts on these boards, you will also see that it has been a long struggle for me as well. In fact you’ll find that you and I are not alone…faith for many is a long struggle. When you’re far from home, the journey back most likely, will be rough. I sense the same things in you that have been with me for so many years. I’ve always believed from the day my late parents taught me about Jesus and as I grew up and matured and learned, my beliefs became and have stayed as solid as a rock. Yet, this is where the proverbial “but” comes in. I did not know how to love. It is one thing to believe, it is one thing to love and altogether a different plane of acceptance to believe AND love. You believe in God, you’ve accepted Christ. you’ve been looking and searching a long time. Stop! You’re not going to find God on your terms…that’s what Adam and Eve attempted and failed. You don’t find God, HE FINDS YOU and He finds you by your desire to fall in love with him which I think is much different than inviting God into your heart. Sure I can let God into my heart anytime and all he’ll find is a stinking rotting mess of sin and self destruction. You have to fall in love with God through Christ. Now, look at your struggle and look at the struggle of the Roman Catholic Church. It’s been a series of various struggles spanning 2000 years. If there isn’t a doctrinal struggle from within, there’s been persecution and death from without. It never stops but Christ’s promise that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His church is sure and certain. Do you think it’s been a piece of cake for the Church collectively and each of us singularly? If so, some one has mislead you. I studied the Catholic Church on my own for 18 years before making the decision to commit. It may take longer for you or it may be shorter. I do not know. What I do know from your writing is that you are on the right track with the right Church…the Roman Catholic Church. It is here, you will find our Lord in all fullness of love and truth revealed through the Holy Spirit and yes, sometimes through immense struggle and prayer. Here, you will find the peace and love you seek. Sometimes, you will laugh and sometimes you cry but at all times, you will have a permanent joy, not some temporary emotional bout that deteriorates to anger. The theology and teachings of this Church are complex, they will demand the best of your mind but the teachings will build a permanent and lasting foundation form which you can believe AND love. If you have not already taken the step to “Cross the Tiber,” I prayerfully encourage that you take that first step…yes it may be a scary step (as it was for me) but it’s a step you will not regret and over time, happy and relieved you did. Now, sit down, stay put, quit running all over the place and let God find you and fall in love with Him.
 
About 6 months ago, I was where you’re at in many regards (particularly the aspect of losing a lot of faith while in the military). Long story short, I tried and failed to find a church that actually spoke to me. I didn’t want entertainment, saccharine sermons, or anything Protestant, but I also grew up thinking “The Vatican? The Antichrist be there! Arghhhh!” (yeah, I know, right?).

Well, longer story shorter, I embarked on a journey of a very organic and bare-bones approach to sola fide and sola scriptura, but with a twist. I was faithful in the hope that through Scripture and prayer, God would lead me to a church. So, I started reading my Bible A LOT, and praying a lot, and doing a lot of thinking and writing about what I was thinking- essentially arguing with myself to the point of debating multiple sides. Pretty soon, I was able to nail down certain concepts. I researched these concepts. Imagine my horror when they were CATHOLIC! :eek: No, no Holy Spirit, surely Thou art mistaken!? Nope. Kept happening. Deo Gratias.

So I started researching Catholic doctrine, particularly things which I knew should be present in any Christian church/theology. Lo and behold, I was unable to prove the Catholic positions wrong, but many others were soon slain by the sword with which I was fighting.

Then I embarked on the 2nd leg of the journey, researching Catholic doctrines/concepts (many of which you listed) which I was unfamiliar with. Well, that was tougher. Lots of sleepless nights. Lots of doubt. But I knew the Catholic Church held the absolute dogmatic truth on other things I had researched, so I kept pressing on.

Cutting to the chase, about 3 months of this finally led me to walking into the closest parish while thinking, " I can’t believe I’m doing this", and walking out thinking, “I’m doing this”.

Since then, it’s been a roller coaster, but it’s been absolutely thrilling through the ups and downs. Don’t get me wrong, the downs totally hurt. But man, at least I now know why they hurt and how to get back up stronger than ever. It’s a battle, everyday. May Saint Michael the Archangel defend you in battle; and be your *protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. *

I pray your journey leads you home.

Jon
 
About 6 months ago, I was where you’re at in many regards (particularly the aspect of losing a lot of faith while in the military). Long story short, I tried and failed to find a church that actually spoke to me. I didn’t want entertainment, saccharine sermons, or anything Protestant, but I also grew up thinking “The Vatican? The Antichrist be there! Arghhhh!” (yeah, I know, right?).

Well, longer story shorter, I embarked on a journey of a very organic and bare-bones approach to sola fide and sola scriptura, but with a twist. I was faithful in the hope that through Scripture and prayer, God would lead me to a church. So, I started reading my Bible A LOT, and praying a lot, and doing a lot of thinking and writing about what I was thinking- essentially arguing with myself to the point of debating multiple sides. Pretty soon, I was able to nail down certain concepts. I researched these concepts. Imagine my horror when they were CATHOLIC! :eek: No, no Holy Spirit, surely Thou art mistaken!? Nope. Kept happening. Deo Gratias.

So I started researching Catholic doctrine, particularly things which I knew should be present in any Christian church/theology. Lo and behold, I was unable to prove the Catholic positions wrong, but many others were soon slain by the sword with which I was fighting.

Then I embarked on the 2nd leg of the journey, researching Catholic doctrines/concepts (many of which you listed) which I was unfamiliar with. Well, that was tougher. Lots of sleepless nights. Lots of doubt. But I knew the Catholic Church held the absolute dogmatic truth on other things I had researched, so I kept pressing on.

Cutting to the chase, about 3 months of this finally led me to walking into the closest parish while thinking, " I can’t believe I’m doing this", and walking out thinking, “I’m doing this”.

Since then, it’s been a roller coaster, but it’s been absolutely thrilling through the ups and downs. Don’t get me wrong, the downs totally hurt. But man, at least I now know why they hurt and how to get back up stronger than ever. It’s a battle, everyday. May Saint Michael the Archangel defend you in battle; and be your *protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. *

I pray your journey leads you home.

Jon
Jon, your story made my heart soar! It sounds very, very similiar to my journey the last 2 years, except I came from being Jehovah’s Witness. I, my wife, my mother and one of my brothers are entering the Church this Easter Vigil. My daughter was just baptized this past Sunday. My God continue to bless you!
 
Where to start? My Grandfather Guy Shields was an AOG Preacher who founded Southwestern AOG Univesity, my granmother is a United Pentecostal Preacher, my father and mother, my father’s granmother, my Aunt and Uncles and so on. I was born and raised Pentecostal, memorized books of the (our)bible.

Praying to Mary and the Saints.

I don’t know why, I’d say old dogs don’t like learning new tricks but I’m only 30 so I’m not that old. 🙂 I’d like to hear from Pentecostals of the older style as I was brought up in but I’m open to anyone. How did you reconcile these types of things to your faith?
God bless you…

Actually, praying to Mary and the saints, asking for their intercession, and their help is there to avail of…is one way to find comfort in your journey…if you are up to it…but as one poster said, do not rush.

I hope this site will help you…there are conversion stories too…you may be able to interact with others in the same sitaution as you…chnetwork.org/
 
This also is a helpful website:

chnetwork.org/

The Coming Home Network
The purpose of the Coming Home Network International (CHNetwork) is to provide fellowship, encouragement, and support to men and women who are considering becoming Catholic and those who have already come home. In particular, the Coming Home Network seeks to assist non-Catholic clergy who often face acute difficulties and struggles during their journeys.
Marcus also hosts the EWTN program (DISH Channel 261) titled “The Journey Home”.
 
First let me say that saying all that has little to do with trusting people and more to do with having nothing to hide. In our churches we call what our past is our testimony. Look what God has brought me through. Its nothing to be ashamed of, as its already been forgiven. Also its harder to help someone if you don’t understand the reason why they disagree or don’t understand, so it was necessary.

Please let me say that I knew the standard answers I received from listening to Catholic answers. I thank you for the help but what I was looking for was more like the personal stories I’ve received. Thank you very much for those are very encouraging.

I guess dispite what I said, what I really meant was, “I’m scared to death that the Catholic church is wrong/evil did anyone else have this problem?” Its encouraging to see you did.

I’ve always preached and proclaimed that Catholics are our brothers and sisters in Christ, but in the back of my mind I’ve always remembered the hostility we received from them, and the Baptist as well, for being Pentecostal. I remember my friend’s mom in school was Catholic, when she found out I was Pentecostal she wanted to perform an excorism. We weren’t allowed to hangout anymore. That’s when I left public school. I also remember being taught about the hatred from others during the Pentecostal and Charismatic(sp?) movements in America during the early 1900s and the 1970s.

Anyone’s whose ever been inside a pentecostal church for more than five minutes knows that they are not once saved always saved. They teach constant fasting and prayer, along with brimstone and hellfire. “Looking at the Bible cross-eye could take your salvation”. I think its a little ridiculous because it denies the grace of Jesus by saying you must be in a constant state of fasting prayer and repentance to get to heaven. But I don’t believe in the once saved always saved teachings of the Baptist either. As James says faith without works is dead. You show me your faith without works(impossible, you can’t show anyone anything without doing something), and I will show you my faith by what I do. If you truely believe something to be true(faith) then you will act on it(works). I’ve always taught that the truth lies between the Baptist and Pentecostal, you can lose your salvation by failing to do as God commands us(go into all the world preach the gospel, baptizing) but Christ gives us grace, salvation isn’t a battle but a life.

I don’t know why I said any of that but I feel better, and I feel a lot better knowing that others have already walked down this road. I have a family to lead, which I have always been taught to be a sacred God-given duty to men. So I will take them down the path that’s obviously right, that God has been pushing me towards my whole life, just as soon as I can work up the courage to go through the door. 🙂
 
First let me say that saying all that has little to do with trusting people and more to do with having nothing to hide. In our churches we call what our past is our testimony. Look what God has brought me through. Its nothing to be ashamed of, as its already been forgiven.

I don’t know why I said any of that but I feel better, and I feel a lot better knowing that others have already walked down this road. I have a family to lead, which I have always been taught to be a sacred God-given duty to men. So I will take them down the path that’s obviously right, that God has been pushing me towards my whole life, just as soon as I can work up the courage to go through the door. 🙂
This thread may be of much help to you…forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=626469
 
The Catholic church has followed the guidance of Paul where he says, “I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord” (1 Cor 7:32)

Celibacy is a discipline of the church and it is something that the church could change (if the need arose). Currently, the church believes that enforcing this discipline is a good thing so that bishops can devote maximum time to the affairs of the Lord. Note that except for Peter, none of the other apostles (who were bishops themselves) were married.

You know what I’ve been drawn to your post four or five times now and I realized that I’m a liar. My biggest fear is what you cover right here, that I won’t be able to preach or teach the word of God anymore. That was always my biggest joy, standing before a group and reading the Bible. I often wouldn’t even make a comment I would simply read the Bible and and let God speak himself. The most I would do is explain something, such as a parable, in modern terms. My fear is that as a father and husband I won’t get to do that anymore. I don’t even know if its true but I’m scared to death that I won’t get to be a part of the church anymore aside from sitting and receiving mass if I join. Is this crazy, or what? Is there a place for me in the church besides sitting and filling up a pew? I’m actually crying as I write this, I think this is what’s really stopping me. And I don’t even know anything about the church. lol. its so stupid.
 
Where to start? My Grandfather Guy Shields was an AOG Preacher who founded Southwestern AOG Univesity, my granmother is a United Pentecostal Preacher, my father and mother, my father’s granmother, my Aunt and Uncles and so on. I was born and raised Pentecostal, memorized books of the (our)bible. Left public school at fifteen to go to a pentecostal school so I could graduate at 16, was ordained a minister and misionary at 16, did two year mission in Mexico.
Hello brother! Welcome to Catholic Answers Forum. I too am of Pentecostal upbringing. My father was ordained in the AOG of Italy, (known as the* Assemblee di Dio in Italia*, or ADI), and still occasionally preaches when the pastor of his local church asks him to do so.

I find interesting that your grandmother is a UPC and your grandfather an AOG. Didn’t they have disagreements over the nature of the Godhead? If I recall correctly, UPC are Oneness, and reject the Trinitarian doctrine, which is why they withdrew from the AOG in the first place.
That mission trip changed my life I had a lot of time to do nothing but study(and work like a dog). I came back at 18, a man with a choice to make, what to do with the rest of my life.
God works in mysterious ways, you know.
However, there are some things that bother me about becoming catholic I wanted protestant answers who have converted, especailly pentecostals.
I have not converted to Catholicism, though I am searching and inquiring. I hope my answers are acceptable for you.
Catholic Churches are very fancy, that seems odd to me, as a Pentecostal we are raised to play down riches and other things and that if God blesses you with things in the world its for you to bless others. Women wear plain dresses men wear button shirts and slacks(sunday best) but that’s about it. Our churchs are usualy simple and don’t have alot of symbols or other things. I suppose this is a rather stupid thing to worry about but it just doesn’t sit right with me.
The Catholic Church celebrates “fancying up” the churches as an offering to God. Churches are considered temples, and are therefore sacred and holy, and they are to be decorate for God’s glory. The early Christians believed this sincerely, and they adopted this from their Jewish antecedents. That doesn’t mean that Catholics aren’t humble - quite the opposite. It is quite humbling to enter a church decorated so brightly and beautifully, dedicated to our God. I feel extreme reverence.

Additionally, when the Church first began, most people were illiterate. Statues, icons, and mosaics were important because they helped the Church teach the message of Christ in pictures instead of words. They are a legacy and a tradition the Church as kept. Enter in a Catholic or Orthodox parish, and look at the walls. Can you not decipher the Good News without needing a single word to assist?
The crucifix, I don’t like it Christ’s not on the cross anymore. We actually had a cross that said “He’s not there!” on it. I just don’t understand the purpose of the crucifix in representing a risen Lord and Savior.
I think it’s personal preference. I prefer the empty cross for the same reason as you - to celebrate the resurrection. However, the crucifix is meant to emphasize the *sacrifice *itself. Christ our God is risen from the dead, trampling down death. Yet he also suffered greatly, more than anyone in history. Both are important and must be remembered. They are two ways of viewing the same event in history.
Praying to Mary and the Saints. I was taught to pray to God, not even to God the Son, Jesus, but to God the Father. Which is what Jesus teaches us, and to ask in His name for things that are only of the highest spiritual importance(such as guidance, faith, and wisdom, never for worldly things). I was taught that the Our Father is the perfect prayer and why, repentence, glorification, faith, and needs. Nothing beyond it needs to be said, God will handle the rest as he sees fit. If you feel the need to ask for something(guidance, wisdom, extra faith) it should be done with fasting, from everything(food, friends, family, sex, anything that could remotely take your mind off God).
In Catholicism - and Orthodoxy - saintly intercession (which frankly I feel is a better term) is not necessarily mandated. You don’t have to close every prayer with a supplication to the saints. That being said, saintly intercession works much like intercessory prayer works in our Pentecostal world. In Pentecostalism, we generally believe that we, the body of Christ, are the saints. And we ask our brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us. Why not also ask our brother and sisters of Christ who preceded us and are enjoying direct communion with God? We know they can hear us (remember the Transfiguration? Moses and Elijah spoke to Christ about current events). We know they are waiting for us (remember that heaven is overjoyed when a man converts - parable of the lost sheep). We know they pray/ask to the Lord in heaven (Revelation - “how long O Lord must we wait for thy judgment?”). Doesn’t it make logical sense therefore, that we can ask them to pray for us?
These are the things that are biggest to me, I also don’t understand that Bishops aren’t married and that married people cannot be pastors. But these things are not major issues for me. I still feel that I need to go to Saint Charles but I don’t want to. I don’t know why, I’d say old dogs don’t like learning new tricks but I’m only 30 so I’m not that old. 🙂 I’d like to hear from Pentecostals of the older style as I was brought up in but I’m open to anyone. How did you reconcile these types of things to your faith?
You could always join an Eastern Rite. They allow married priests :-P.
 
The Catholic church has followed the guidance of Paul where he says, "I want you to be free from anxieties.
You know what I’ve been drawn to your post four or five times now and I realized that I’m a liar. My biggest fear is what you cover right here, that I won’t be able to preach or teach the word of God anymore. That was always my biggest joy, standing before a group and reading the Bible. I often wouldn’t even make a comment I would simply read the Bible and and let God speak himself. The most I would do is explain something, such as a parable, in modern terms. My fear is that as a father and husband I won’t get to do that anymore. I don’t even know if its true but I’m scared to death that I won’t get to be a part of the church anymore aside from sitting and receiving mass if I join. Is this crazy, or what? Is there a place for me in the church besides sitting and filling up a pew? I’m actually crying as I write this, I think this is what’s really stopping me. And I don’t even know anything about the church. lol. its so stupid.
My Friend…put your trust in the Lord…He will find a way to lead for the glory of Him.

There are other things you can do to preach. You can be a deacon (who are married), can preach and do other things, except hear confession and say the mass (there maybe more).

You can be an RCIA instructor, teaching those intending to learn the CC and eventually, become Catholics. You can lead a Bible study group of catholics in the parish, which Catholic parishes are greatly in need of. There are many things you can do…and leadn and do…God will show you the way…you just have to say yes, and surrender to His will.

As someone said, the first step is to join RCIA.
 
Hello brother! Welcome to Catholic Answers Forum. I too am of Pentecostal upbringing. My father was ordained in the AOG of Italy, (known as the* Assemblee di Dio in Italia*, or ADI), and still occasionally preaches when the pastor of his local church asks him to do so.

You could always join an Eastern Rite. They allow married priests :-P.
Never crossed my mind…good reminder…Fabius…👍
 
Hello brother! Welcome to Catholic Answers Forum. I too am of Pentecostal upbringing. My father was ordained in the AOG of Italy, (known as the* Assemblee di Dio in Italia*, or ADI), and still occasionally preaches when the pastor of his local church asks him to do so.

I find interesting that your grandmother is a UPC and your grandfather an AOG. Didn’t they have disagreements over the nature of the Godhead? If I recall correctly, UPC are Oneness, and reject the Trinitarian doctrine, which is why they withdrew from the AOG in the first place.
Wow, another Pentecostal! No they didn’t that tends to be the biggest problem with Pentecostals outside the AOG, each one varies from church to church, there’s no real unity. They both ended up founding BibleWay Fellowship, which has grown quite a bit. My grandfather was divorced, his wife left him, and was going to lose his ordaination. My grandmother I guess didn’t have a problem with the trinity as its always been taught. They met while founding BibleWay and were married later. I know she’s always kept her UPC ordaination though, as well as BibleWay’s.
I have not converted to Catholicism, though I am searching and inquiring. I hope my answers are acceptable for you.
The Catholic Church celebrates “fancying up” the churches as an offering to God. Churches are considered temples, and are therefore sacred and holy, and they are to be decorate for God’s glory. The early Christians believed this sincerely, and they adopted this from their Jewish antecedents. That doesn’t mean that Catholics aren’t humble - quite the opposite. It is quite humbling to enter a church decorated so brightly and beautifully, dedicated to our God. I feel extreme reverence.
Additionally, when the Church first began, most people were illiterate. Statues, icons, and mosaics were important because they helped the Church teach the message of Christ in pictures instead of words. They are a legacy and a tradition the Church as kept. Enter in a Catholic or Orthodox parish, and look at the walls. Can you not decipher the Good News without needing a single word to assist?
I never thought about it like that. Good point. I do remember that while in Mexico I got into an agruement with a pastor over the massive amount of statues of angels he had. He ended up selling them. Can you imagine a grown man giving into a 17 year old boy? I guess its just been a taboo.
I think it’s personal preference. I prefer the empty cross for the same reason as you - to celebrate the resurrection. However, the crucifix is meant to emphasize the *sacrifice *itself. Christ our God is risen from the dead, trampling down death. Yet he also suffered greatly, more than anyone in history. Both are important and must be remembered. They are two ways of viewing the same event in history.
Again I knew this but I suppose its always been a taboo for me, maybe. I was really interested in anothers point of view who had maybe grown up with the same taboo but had come to accept it. This is very encouraging.
In Catholicism - and Orthodoxy - saintly intercession (which frankly I feel is a better term) is not necessarily mandated. You don’t have to close every prayer with a supplication to the saints. That being said, saintly intercession works much like intercessory prayer works in our Pentecostal world. In Pentecostalism, we generally believe that we, the body of Christ, are the saints. And we ask our brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us. Why not also ask our brother and sisters of Christ who preceded us and are enjoying direct communion with God? We know they can hear us (remember the Transfiguration? Moses and Elijah spoke to Christ about current events). We know they are waiting for us (remember that heaven is overjoyed when a man converts - parable of the lost sheep). We know they pray/ask to the Lord in heaven (Revelation - “how long O Lord must we wait for thy judgment?”). Doesn’t it make logical sense therefore, that we can ask them to pray for us?
The AOG is a little different in this regard. They do what you say, but I was raised that when someone says to pray for them its meant to keep them in your heart as you pray. Don’t actually request something on their behalf other than that God’s will be done in their life as you don’t know what God’s will might be.
 
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