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Also, for those who prefer to be of the Latin (Roman) Rite and preach as a married man, you can become a deacon (though you would take a vow to be celibate if your wife were to pass away). True, deacons do not preach regularly, but it is still part of their ministry. Often times people forget about the many groups that meet at a Catholic Church just as they do in Protestant communities such as Bible studies. You could always lead a Bible study and hopefully use your desire to speak and gifts as a speaker through a venue such as this. There are many examples of Protestant pastors who converted to Catholicism with similar sentiment about “leaving their ministry” and wondering where they would fit into Catholicism in the program “Journey Home” on EWTN (the Catholic channel). You can find them easily on youtube. Perhaps these stories will be of encouragement to you and be informative as well. God bless you on your journey!
 
You know what I’ve been drawn to your post four or five times now and I realized that I’m a liar. My biggest fear is what you cover right here, that I won’t be able to preach or teach the word of God anymore. That was always my biggest joy, standing before a group and reading the Bible. I often wouldn’t even make a comment I would simply read the Bible and and let God speak himself. The most I would do is explain something, such as a parable, in modern terms. My fear is that as a father and husband I won’t get to do that anymore. I don’t even know if its true but I’m scared to death that I won’t get to be a part of the church anymore aside from sitting and receiving mass if I join. Is this crazy, or what? Is there a place for me in the church besides sitting and filling up a pew? I’m actually crying as I write this, I think this is what’s really stopping me. And I don’t even know anything about the church. lol. its so stupid.

My dear brother in Christ, welcome to CAF.
I well be praying to the Holy Spirit to guide and comfort you on your journey.

God bless

jesus g
 
I find interesting that your grandmother is a UPC and your grandfather an AOG. Didn’t they have disagreements over the nature of the Godhead? If I recall correctly, UPC are Oneness, and reject the Trinitarian doctrine, which is why they withdrew from the AOG in the first place.
I was asking much the same question! It’s interesting that they could still work together in ministry. The conflict between the Trinitarians and Oneness can still get pretty bitter.
 
You know what I’ve been drawn to your post four or five times now and I realized that I’m a liar. My biggest fear is what you cover right here, that I won’t be able to preach or teach the word of God anymore. That was always my biggest joy, standing before a group and reading the Bible. I often wouldn’t even make a comment I would simply read the Bible and and let God speak himself. The most I would do is explain something, such as a parable, in modern terms. My fear is that as a father and husband I won’t get to do that anymore. I don’t even know if its true but I’m scared to death that I won’t get to be a part of the church anymore aside from sitting and receiving mass if I join. Is this crazy, or what? Is there a place for me in the church besides sitting and filling up a pew? I’m actually crying as I write this, I think this is what’s really stopping me. And I don’t even know anything about the church. lol. its so stupid.
As someone else also pointed out, you can become a deacon. Deacons are allowed to preach during mass. One such popular deacon is deacon Harold Burke-Sivers - catholic.com/profiles/deacon-harold-burke-sivers

He is married and has 4 children. You can see him preaching at mass over here -

youtube.com/watch?v=vNP0asNvlA0

Alex Jones, whom I mentioned before, was a former Pentecostal pastor and is now a deacon.

youtube.com/watch?v=JmXzbl6Smr0
 
You know what I’ve been drawn to your post four or five times now and I realized that I’m a liar. My biggest fear is what you cover right here, that I won’t be able to preach or teach the word of God anymore. That was always my biggest joy, standing before a group and reading the Bible. I often wouldn’t even make a comment I would simply read the Bible and and let God speak himself. The most I would do is explain something, such as a parable, in modern terms. My fear is that as a father and husband I won’t get to do that anymore. I don’t even know if its true but I’m scared to death that I won’t get to be a part of the church anymore aside from sitting and receiving mass if I join. Is this crazy, or what? Is there a place for me in the church besides sitting and filling up a pew? I’m actually crying as I write this, I think this is what’s really stopping me. And I don’t even know anything about the church. lol. its so stupid.
My dear brother,
speaking as a former Baptist pastor,
you won’t miss it,
believe me, you won’t.
 
I was asking much the same question! It’s interesting that they could still work together in ministry. The conflict between the Trinitarians and Oneness can still get pretty bitter.
Indeed. My father got into very many disputes with Oneness pastors. According to him, they are “unreasonably stubborn.”
Again I knew this but I suppose its always been a taboo for me, maybe. I was really interested in anothers point of view who had maybe grown up with the same taboo but had come to accept it. This is very encouraging.
It is very hard to break certain taboos. They are so thoroughly ingrained within us that even though we might accept a different explanation, it becomes difficult to change our behavior.
I’ve always been taught, for instance, never to do the sign of the cross because it was a “Catholic” thing to do. Even though I now reject that, and have attempted to use it myself in prayer, it still sometimes feels awkward and I constantly look over my shoulder, as if someone were watching me.

It’s doubtfully something you would have to worry about much if you decided to convert. From what I understand, these kinds of aspects of the faith are not immediately impressed upon you, but are slowly worked in as you become more comfortable with Catholicism (or Orthodoxy, for those who swing that way).
The AOG is a little different in this regard. They do what you say, but I was raised that when someone says to pray for them its meant to keep them in your heart as you pray. Don’t actually request something on their behalf other than that God’s will be done in their life as you don’t know what God’s will might be.
Different Pentecostal denominations have different traditions and mandates. Generally, the Assemblee di Dio reject AOG taboos on alcohol (not surprising giving that wine is a major export in Italy), reject the concept of naming churches, and reject celebrating certain holidays like Christmas as something “too Catholic.” Anything associated with Catholicism is considered wicked in some way or another.

Concerning God’s will, I can see what you mean. In certain circumstances, I’d even say you are correct. But then again, when people pray for saintly intercession, they don’t necessarily say “I need this or that,” but instead say “pray that God has mercy on us,” or something to that effect.

If you truly believe that God is calling you to the Roman Catholic Church, then pray diligently, study Church history, and read Catholic doctrine, compare it with your own, and pray to discern whether it is orthodox or not. You should also know that the Catholic Church looks favorably upon the Charismatic Movement, which is essentially their version of the Pentecostal gifts, though they don’t necessarily look upon it the same way (eg - many don’t necessarily believe that speaking in tongues = Baptism of the Holy Spirit).
 
One more thing that my wife’s worried about. She’s been pregant six times but we’ve only had three kids. The three we had all almost died during birth, the other three never came to term. She had her tubes tied after the last, neither of us really wanted to but she couldn’t bear the thought of losing anymore. It was hard on me I can only imagine how hard it was on her. Her Catholic Aunt condemned her for it though. Members of my own church spoke against her and I defended her and the choice. I know this isn’t accepted by the Catholic Church. Will she be accepted into the church or will she be condemned?
 
One more thing that my wife’s worried about. She’s been pregant six times but we’ve only had three kids. The three we had all almost died during birth, the other three never came to term. She had her tubes tied after the last, neither of us really wanted to but she couldn’t bear the thought of losing anymore. It was hard on me I can only imagine how hard it was on her. Her Catholic Aunt condemned her for it though. Members of my own church spoke against her and I defended her and the choice. I know this isn’t accepted by the Catholic Church. Will she be accepted into the church or will she be condemned?
I’m sure that if you are truly interested in becoming a Roman Catholic, and speak honestly about the situation to a local priest or bishop, they will gently guide you on what to do. Losing three children to stillbirth is a devastating and horrific thing that no parent should ever face. My deepest condolences on it.

There are plenty of Catholics who commit egregious sins while still proclaiming themselves Catholic. Humans are humans. I don’t think you need fear. And assuming the Catholic Church officially condemns tube-tying, I don’t think they’ll condemn you for doing it before even knowing about what the Catholic Church teaches. Most know that life isn’t so black-and-white.
 
One more thing that my wife’s worried about. She’s been pregant six times but we’ve only had three kids. The three we had all almost died during birth, the other three never came to term. She had her tubes tied after the last, neither of us really wanted to but she couldn’t bear the thought of losing anymore. It was hard on me I can only imagine how hard it was on her. Her Catholic Aunt condemned her for it though. Members of my own church spoke against her and I defended her and the choice. I know this isn’t accepted by the Catholic Church. Will she be accepted into the church or will she be condemned?
Actually…you have nothing to worry about…so does your wife…she will be accepted lovingly in the Church…many will not even know she had the procedure…but she will be accepted and loved, and prayed for. As Fabius said, this is something you should take to a priest…be open and follow the the advise of the priest. 👍
 
Welcome to the forum! What a “coincidence” (sure it was) that on the rare day when I check this forum, I find your questions, which are so similar to what I was asking in 2002-2004. I hope you find my testimony helpful.

I was raised in Assembly of God churches, and had a wonderfully close walk with God as a result. I was taught by many very holy pastors, and was influenced by their example. I am very grateful for that upbringing.

And then in 2004, at age 46, after much internal debate, I joined the Catholic Church.

I’ll break your questions up into separate posts.
Catholic Churches are very fancy, that seems odd to me, as a Pentecostal we are raised to play down riches and other things and that if God blesses you with things in the world its for you to bless others. Women wear plain dresses men wear button shirts and slacks(sunday best) but that’s about it. Our churchs are usualy simple and don’t have alot of symbols or other things. I suppose this is a rather stupid thing to worry about but it just doesn’t sit right with me.
THE key doctrine in the Catholic Church – described as the “source and summit of our Christian life” – is the Real Presence of Christ, body blood soul and divinity, in the Eucharist. Therefore, a Catholic church building is not just a place where we meet. It is a place where God resides, physically, not just spiritually, in a more special sense than being omnipresent. When we enter the Catholic church building, we leave the mundane world, and enter the abode of God. We are told that Heaven, the dwelling of God, is beautiful beyond description, so making a church beautiful teaches us about heaven.

As others have mentioned, much of that beauty is purposed to teaching. The Stations of the Cross, present in every Catholic church, teach the sufferings the Jesus went through. Stained glass windows generally depict some Bible event, person, or post-Biblical saint. Remember that the Catholic Church is very old, and these kinds of traditions were set during times when people did not read, and relied on the windows, paintings, and statues to learn and remember their faith.
 
Next question…
The crucifix, I don’t like it Christ’s not on the cross anymore. We actually had a cross that said “He’s not there!” on it. I just don’t understand the purpose of the crucifix in representing a risen Lord and Savior.
That wasn’t an issue with me, but I did wonder a lot why the difference between the two traditions. In my study, I found several reasons.

Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen explained it: “Focus on the crucifix. For Jesus without the cross is a man without a mission, and the cross without Jesus is a burden without a reliever”. The two cannot be separated.

When did Jesus announce that the work of redemption was complete? When did He say “IT IS FINISHED!”? It wasn’t walking out of the tomb, it wasn’t after he was taken off the cross. It was while he was ON the cross, as he died. When you look at the crucifix, you see Jesus at the moment the work of redemption was finished – shoulders slack, head bowed, side pierced.

Meditate on the words of “When I Survey The Wondrous Cross”, a hymn you no doubt know, probably by heart. Note especially the third verse:
“See, from his head, his hands, his feet,
sorrow and love flow mingled down.
Did e’er such love and sorrow meet,
or thorns compose so rich a crown.”
On a crucifix you do see those. On an empty cross you don’t.

(For that matter, it’s interesting to go though all the familiar hymns we grew up with. Once I understood Catholic doctrine, many of them revealed rich new layers of meaning.)
 
Next issue…
Praying to Mary and the Saints. I was taught to pray to God, not even to God the Son, Jesus, but to God the Father. Which is what Jesus teaches us, and to ask in His name for things that are only of the highest spiritual importance(such as guidance, faith, and wisdom, never for worldly things). I was taught that the Our Father is the perfect prayer and why, repentence, glorification, faith, and needs. Nothing beyond it needs to be said, God will handle the rest as he sees fit. If you feel the need to ask for something(guidance, wisdom, extra faith) it should be done with fasting, from everything(food, friends, family, sex, anything that could remotely take your mind off God).
As others have said, we don’t pray to the Mary and the Saints as those with their own power to meet our needs, we “pray” (in a Middle-English sense) to ask them to petition God on our behalf. Sounds like your teaching on prayer was more … narrowly focused? … than most people’s. I’m not saying it was inferior, just different. I don’t consider asking a Saint to petition God on my behalf any different than going to the “prayer warrior” in the church.

But, if you feel uncomfortable doing so, there’s no requirement to.
 
Next…
These are the things that are biggest to me, I also don’t understand that Bishops aren’t married and that married people cannot be pastors. But these things are not major issues for me. I still feel that I need to go to Saint Charles but I don’t want to. I don’t know why, I’d say old dogs don’t like learning new tricks but I’m only 30 so I’m not that old. 🙂 I’d like to hear from Pentecostals of the older style as I was brought up in but I’m open to anyone. How did you reconcile these types of things to your faith?
Actually, I think people coming from a Pentecostal background have an advantage in coming to the Catholic Church!

Bread and wine miraculously becoming the Body and Blood of Christ? No problem! We’ve seen miracles before.

God speaking to people in visions? No problem! We’ve seen it (or experienced it personally) before.

Kneeling in prayer and reverence for God? I did that most every Friday and Sundays nights with the rest of the youth group.

Spiritual leaders with a special calling, annointing, and gifting of God, conferred through the laying on of hands and annointing with oil? No problem! Seen it plenty of times.

See where this is going? Pentecostalism is very much about God being very intimately present and active in and around each of us, interacting with and through the physical stuff of this creation. Catholicism believes the same thing.

Another person that I found very influential in my early learning is Michael Cumbie, mikecumbie.org . He went though being a Southern Baptist and Pentecostal pastor on his way to becoming a Catholic. Specifically, his CD set “How Shall We Then Worship?” contains his own conversion story, and other teaching from someone who went into it with our perspective. He also dealt with the issue you mentioned, wondering whether he would have any ministry opportunties in the Catholic Church.

But (unless you need a paying position), don’t worry about no opportunity to teach. There is a huge opportunity for people like you who really know their Bible to teach it to Catholics hungry to learn!
 
And just to warn you, the last, almost biggest problem I had coming into the Church wasn’t any of these theological issues – it was getting used to the culture shock that all of a sudden, alcohol and dancing were not sins! I still tense up and feel uncomfortable at church dinners where there is beer and wine, and especially so when people make that the high point of the evening. I still don’t drink, never will, but am trying to learn to dance and enjoying it very much.
 
You are not alone! Many of us hated the Catholic Church at one time, but now love it.

Most of your questions have been answered, so I will only add a few items. Jeff Cavins was raised Catholic, then became an AOG pastor. He later returned to the Catholic Church. He details it in his book, “My Life On The Rock”. This book may be helpful. Scott and Kimberly Hahn wrote, “Rome Sweet Home”, it deals with a couple’s journey and theological issues. This is one of my favorite books.

I came from the Presbyterian Church and was very anti-Catholic. God led me to investigate my beliefs, it was full time for 4 months. Study with prayer is very important, it will lead you if you are open to it. History was a big thing for me, I used to feel disconnected from the Early Church, now I see the connection the Catholic Church has with the Early Church.

I started a Bible study in my parish, with the help of our priest, only a few months after becoming Catholic. So, there is hope for teaching.

Prayers for you and your family!
 
And just to warn you, the last, almost biggest problem I had coming into the Church wasn’t any of these theological issues – it was getting used to the culture shock that all of a sudden, alcohol and dancing were not sins! I still tense up and feel uncomfortable at church dinners where there is beer and wine, and especially so when people make that the high point of the evening. I still don’t drink, never will, but am trying to learn to dance and enjoying it very much.
Drinking’s not a sin? I assume you mean a glass of wine at dinner or something. We’ve never considered drinking in itself to be a sin but have always been cautioned against it as it can quickly overtake you. As it did me while in the Navy. But surely Drunkeness is a sin, right? Dancing wasn’t a sin, as long as it was in the church and for God. But no actual boy girl dances were banned.

I remember a song in church, “When the Spirit of the Lord moves upon my heart I will laugh/sing/dance as David laughed/sang/danced.” Then we repeated the whole thing in Hebrew.

As far as the guy that asked if I needed a paying position, no. I never even took a dime from the church I was Pastor of, more often than not I was paying the bills myself, from what tithes couldn’t cover.

One final question; I have been performing communion for seven years, which is the eucharist. But I was never ordained by the Catholic Church to do so. I was ordained by BibleWay Pentecostal Fellowship to do so but I understand that for anyone other than a priest to do this is a terrible sin. How will this effect my coversion.
 
One final question; I have been performing communion for seven years, which is the eucharist. But I was never ordained by the Catholic Church to do so. I was ordained by BibleWay Pentecostal Fellowship to do so but I understand that for anyone other than a priest to do this is a terrible sin. How will this effect my coversion.
It won’t effect your conversion at all.

Many other non-Catholic pastor converts were also distributing Communion in their parishes.
 
One final question; I have been performing communion for seven years, which is the eucharist. But I was never ordained by the Catholic Church to do so. I was ordained by BibleWay Pentecostal Fellowship to do so but I understand that for anyone other than a priest to do this is a terrible sin. How will this effect my coversion.
It’s not a terrible sin, it’s just not the Holy Eucharist as it is in the Catholic Church. The bread and (I presume) grape juice remained bread and grape juice when you served communion at your Fellowship. In the Catholic Church, something mysterious and miraculous occurs. The bread and wine become the very Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave his Apostles the authority to celebrate this mystery.

This will have no affect on your conversion. No worries there.
 
Drinking’s not a sin? I assume you mean a glass of wine at dinner or something. We’ve never considered drinking in itself to be a sin but have always been cautioned against it as it can quickly overtake you. As it did me while in the Navy. But surely Drunkeness is a sin, right? Dancing wasn’t a sin, as long as it was in the church and for God. But no actual boy girl dances were banned.

I remember a song in church, “When the Spirit of the Lord moves upon my heart I will laugh/sing/dance as David laughed/sang/danced.” Then we repeated the whole thing in Hebrew.

As far as the guy that asked if I needed a paying position, no. I never even took a dime from the church I was Pastor of, more often than not I was paying the bills myself, from what tithes couldn’t cover.

One final question; I have been performing communion for seven years, which is the eucharist. But I was never ordained by the Catholic Church to do so. I was ordained by BibleWay Pentecostal Fellowship to do so but I understand that for anyone other than a priest to do this is a terrible sin. How will this effect my coversion.
Hi! Yes drunkenness is a sin, one which damages your relationship with Christ. We can do all kinds of dancing (although of course not lewd dancing:) ) but there are many Pentecostal churches that either allow no dancing or only dance in church.

I too was a Pentecostal growing up. I come from a mixed family (meaning I have a Catholic father and Pentecostal mother) I went to Catholic school my whole life but always attended all church events with my mother, I was even baptized there when I was 10. I always felt I had something missing in my life, and I felt very angry and empty at times. I felt like what I was learning was somehow wrong, or at least not all true.

Long story short when I was a senior in high school I had a true revelation from the Holy Spirit while sitting in a Catholic church waiting on a friend who was confessing. I was sitting alone thinking and I felt the Spirit descend upon me and gave me a true feeling of peace and bliss (a feeling that I had never truly felt no matter how many revivals I went to or no matter how many times people had laid hands on me to pray the spirit upon me) I always didn’t truly understand what everyone at church had been talking about, about feeling the spirit like that.

Its a long road but today I thank God for my journey. What I learned about God and about Scripture and the Holy Spirit from my Pentecostal upbringing have given me a real FULLNESS in my spiritual life now that I have the Eucharist and the Catholic Church I feel complete.

May God Bless the Broken road you have traveled so far and listen to the Spirit he will always guide you to the truth.

There is no sin or any past transgression that would keep you from The Church. 😃
 
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