"Pentecostals Come Home to Rome" (On the Pentecostal Minister and the Members of His Flock Who Just Became Catholics)

[mdgspencer]

see ncregister.com/daily-news/pentecostals-come-home-to-rome-eastern-rome-that-is

This news story tells of a Pentecostal Minister who joined the Catholic Church just this last Easter, members of his congregation coming with him into the Catholic Church.

This is how this change in his life began: “On his way home from a conference of pastors that left him feeling disappointed, he began listening to a Catholic apostolate a friend had pointed out to him. The preaching was on mortal sins, Mangels said, and although he didn’t know the speaker was Catholic, he was impressed.”

“‘It was like a drink of fresh water,’ he said, as he listened to the teaching of the Church Fathers and Church history that he had never before encountered."

Byzantine rite Catholics, who likewise are under the Pope, are in a Catholic rite different from the Roman Rite.

 

[MaryT777]

Love the early Church Fathers. As the ole saying by Cardinal Newman goes

"To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”

 

[Fiasco]

Going by info elsewhere, the speaker he didn’t know was Catholic was the much maligned Michael Voris.

 

[Memaw]

Going by info elsewhere, the speaker he didn’t know was Catholic was the much maligned Michael Voris.

Who is Michael Voris?

 

[McCartney]

Going by info elsewhere, the speaker he didn’t know was Catholic was the much maligned Michael Voris.

Michael Voris. What a great man.

 

[Fiasco]

Who is Michael Voris?

He runs a Catholic apostolate somewhere near Detroit. It’s totally free of any official Church ties, meaning he and his associates can say whatever they feel they have to say without being muzzled.
If you want to find out more, i’ll have to leave it to you to look online.

Michael Voris. What a great man.

You’re one of a** very** small group here.

 

[J_Peterson]

It used to be you couldn’t talk about Voris here due to the divisiveness of his apostolate. He seeks to separate, not bring together.

 

[ProdigalSun]

It used to be you couldn’t talk about Voris here due to the divisiveness of his apostolate. He seeks to separate, not bring together.

Who is being divisive and judgmental right now!

 

[CaptFun]

It used to be you couldn’t talk about Voris here due to the divisiveness of his apostolate. He seeks to separate, not bring together.

There is a good version of separating. Jesus does it. The sheep from the goats, etc.

Voris being banned as a subject confused me (especially in forums that had such latitude as to discuss well defined mortal sins as part of its offerings).

If whole churches are joining the Catholic faith due to the man’s preaching … it might be a " … by their fruits you shall know them …" moment in Voris’ defense. Anyway I’ll suggest as much.

If they are true Pentecostals and speaking in the Holy Spirit … their place is at home with us … and let’s make them welcome. If Voris’ preaching on the rather seldom mentioned doctrine of mortal sin was the witness that helped bring them in … maybe we should take note and share more on the topic with our “fellow Christians” who also could use the reminders. Mortal sin is a deal breaker after all.

Matthew 10:32-42

32 Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father.

33 But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father.

34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword.

35 For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;

36 and one’s enemies will be those of his household.’

37 "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;

38 and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

40 "Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.

41 Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is righteous will receive a righteous man’s reward.

42 And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to one of these little ones to drink because he is a disciple - amen, I say to you, he will surely not lose his reward."

 

[Fiasco]

It used to be you couldn’t talk about Voris here due to the divisiveness of his apostolate. He seeks to separate, not bring together.

There’s no doubt Voris is divisive, and CaptFun explains why. Voris is a straight shooter, an admirable virtue, but rocking the boat upsets the complacency of some.
That’s not his fault, though.
[He’s orthodox.]

 

[McCartney]

He runs a Catholic apostolate somewhere near Detroit. It’s totally free of any official Church ties, meaning he and his associates can say whatever they feel they have to say without being muzzled.
If you want to find out more, i’ll have to leave it to you to look online.

You’re one of a** very** small group here.

Michael is very hard hitting on anyone who does not toe the line in the Catholic Church. Even the Vatican commissioned him to produce FBI Freemasonry.

 

[fin]

Yep. I thought it was very biased of some of the news articles for not mentioning who or what Catholic apostolate that was. If the former pastor had heard a talk that was politically correct, nice, and inoffensive, would have he become Catholic?

That’s a big problem right now, being muzzled. It’s good that some things are being allowed here on CAF as well as on EWTN.

He runs a Catholic apostolate somewhere near Detroit. It’s totally free of any official Church ties, meaning he and his associates can say whatever they feel they have to say without being muzzled.
If you want to find out more, i’ll have to leave it to you to look online.

You’re one of a** very** small group here.

 

[Fiasco]

Michael is very hard hitting on anyone who does not toe the line in the Catholic Church. Even the Vatican commissioned him to produce FBI Freemasonry.

Thanks. Wasn’t aware of that!

Yep. I thought it was very biased of some of the news articles for not mentioning who or what Catholic apostolate that was. If the former pastor had heard a talk that was politically correct, nice, and inoffensive, would have he become Catholic?

That’s a big problem right now, being muzzled. It’s good that some things are being allowed here on CAF as well as on EWTN.

You probably know that the National “Catholic” Reporter stated that his apostolate is “Not Authentically Catholic”!!!
CM’s headline on that was a classic: not at all flattering.

 

[st_julie]

There’s no doubt Voris is divisive, and CaptFun explains why. Voris is a straight shooter, an admirable virtue, but rocking the boat upsets the complacency of some.
That’s not his fault, though.
[He’s orthodox.]

I once read a biography of Orestes Bronson. Michael Vorin reminds me of that style.

 

[Fiasco]

I once read a biography of Orestes Bronson. Michael Vorin reminds me of that style.

That name strikes a chord!
Got a vague feeling Scott Hahn mentioned him, but no idea of which talk, let alone context.

Based on just a few minutes of online searching: i wonder how he would’ve got on with** GK Chesterton**. (if they’d been contempories, of course) Sounds like he became a level-headed, deep-thinking visionary, a 19th Century “Apostle of Common Sense”?
Any comment?

There’s an article about him in Crisis Magazine. Have to go back and read all of it.

 

[twf]

How did this wonderful conversion story become a discussion of the merits of Michael Voris?

 

[Fiasco]

How did this wonderful conversion story become a discussion of the merits of Michael Voris?

Simply because the talk the Pentecostal minister heard happened to be given by Michael Voris, and being a gentleman, he acknowledged MV’s role in the conversion of himself, his wife and some of his flock.

Voris has touched a lot of other people with his **hard-hitting, no-nonsense honesty.
**

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[CaptFun]

Going by info elsewhere, the speaker he didn’t know was Catholic was the much maligned Michael Voris.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.

12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

13 "You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.

15 Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.

16 Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.

17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.

18 Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.

19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

By their fruits you shall know them. A teaching on mortal sin begets a mass conversion (or a more complete conversion perhaps in this case). Perhaps there should be more of that then.

Mortal Sin = deadly sin.

**1 John 5:16 ** If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray.

17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.