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pocaracas
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Why don’t you call your daddy to come beat me? He might understand that I’ve been on the same line of reasoning all along… might…
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Why don’t you call your daddy to come beat me? He might understand that I’ve been on the same line of reasoning all along… might…
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AlNg
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The compass, gunpowder, papermaking and printing were four discoveries known in China a thousand years before they were known in the west. And the Chinese scientists made other significant findings in all areas of science and mathematics. well before they were known in the west.
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abucs
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I know about the use of such things in China Ang, but none of that is strictly science. I also know that Father Ricci was the Papal envoy to the Chinese empire and was well received because he brought western science with him. I visited Shanghai last year where there are monuments to him near the Cathedral and observatory. He was also the first Westerner to be welcomed to the Forbidden City in Beijing.
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There were no scientific laws that the Chinese discovered from the invention and/or use of the compass, papermaking, printing and gunpowder.
Science is based on law and the scientific method is based on process, Both came from the Christian west and both from heavily Christian cultural institutions. That is just a historic fact.
Of course other cultures came up with ingenious devices and philosophy. The boomerang in Australia for example, pagan Greek geometry and the great Buddhist writings on the self. There are thousands of such important examples but very little that could be categorised as modern science. That did arise in the Christian west from the middle ages.
Regards.
Matteo Ricci - Wikipedia
There were no scientific laws that the Chinese discovered from the invention and/or use of the compass, papermaking, printing and gunpowder.
Science is based on law and the scientific method is based on process, Both came from the Christian west and both from heavily Christian cultural institutions. That is just a historic fact.
Of course other cultures came up with ingenious devices and philosophy. The boomerang in Australia for example, pagan Greek geometry and the great Buddhist writings on the self. There are thousands of such important examples but very little that could be categorised as modern science. That did arise in the Christian west from the middle ages.
Regards.
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Russell_SA
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Reverse everything that stopped people from believing in myths and legends as a true description of reality.
Tis_Bearself
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I’m always baffled by surveys that consider Hispanics to be somehow “non-white”.
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ATraveller
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PRRI breaks down the figures in odd ways that can be misleading at times. Pew Research is much better and is clearer.
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anon65111186
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Prayer, God, living the faith in our contemporary world, witness to the truth.
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SuperLuigi
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Not the case. Atheism and liberalism aren’t as cool and edgy as they used to be. Milo said it best “conservatism is the new punk”.
Because parents tend to pass their values onto their kids and are the biggest inflluencers in their lives. They also in many cases don’t need state over-spending to do it whereas academia does.
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ConfusedLucy
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I’m not sure parents are as influential as they used to be. Youth culture has been growing bigger
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ATraveller
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According to sociologists and their studies, parents should not underestimate their influence on their children. Teens will rebel outwardly but they do actually internalize many things their parents say.
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SuperLuigi
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The problem is parents are either delusional, have checked out, or just don’t make time with their kids a priority. Stuff like working 8 hours and then running them around to volleyball and football practice and believing that education (and the 5 PM news, really) can be trusted.
Otherwise, public education is in way over its head. They overspend on everything from worthless degree programs to sports arenas and facilities nobody uses.
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ConfusedLucy
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I don’t know what it is with parents but most of the Christians of around my age are so because they were able to find good Christina friends, I expect some of the parents will have planted seeds but peer support was needed to make them grow.
I don’t think churches really know what to do with people after confirmation, my gut feeling is some sort of group that they can go to without their parents so that they can make their faith their own. Don’t know how practical that would be.
I think we have normalized the youth exodus between confirmation and marriage prep to the point where most parishes don’t know what to do with the few that do remain.
I don’t think churches really know what to do with people after confirmation, my gut feeling is some sort of group that they can go to without their parents so that they can make their faith their own. Don’t know how practical that would be.
I think we have normalized the youth exodus between confirmation and marriage prep to the point where most parishes don’t know what to do with the few that do remain.
Tis_Bearself
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The Newman Centers currently seem to be doing a good job finding stuff that college-age Catholics can do and be involved in. I say “currently” because back in the late 70s and 80s when I was actually in college, I was far less impressed with what was going on in the Newman Center. It was more of a stomping ground for a lot of aging hippie types in the neighborhood, than a place where 18 to 22-year-old college students could go to learn how to live their faith as independent adults.
However, even if you have the greatest Newman Center, most of these young adults are going to move someplace else after college graduation and have to attend some regular parish, which is very likely to not know what to do with them. Most of the programs I see for this age group aren’t coming from the parish - they’re happening at the diocesan level or they’re run by some Catholic organization, evangelical group, or devotional group. Parishes seem to be for families with kids and the elderly who have been around a long time.
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ConfusedLucy
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I’ve said it before but I really wish our teens were actively taught this stuff and given advice on how to look for Catholic support in new areas. I managed to talk to a group of teens about my Catholic group at university and really hope that some of them sought out similar groups at their own unis.
After uni I agree it’s difficult. I don’t know what the answer is now but maybe if we hadn’t normalised young people being absent parishes would have more of them and not seem so unwelcoming.
After uni I agree it’s difficult. I don’t know what the answer is now but maybe if we hadn’t normalised young people being absent parishes would have more of them and not seem so unwelcoming.
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TechieGuy
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It’s complicated - and works in the opposite direction too; my wife often says, “I’m not white, I’m Hispanic.”
Also, this… List of Afro-Latinos - Wikipedia
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Tis_Bearself
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They really need to start using some word other than “white”, such as European or something.
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Annie
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I would propose that yes, modern science is what it is because of its genesis in a Christian context. Not only did the Catholic Church have an institutional framework in which science could grow, but the belief that God is a Creator of order, not some impulse-driven being, allowed educated Catholics to think in those terms, in terms of categories, laws, and functions. Without this, technological inventions such as the printing press are simply gadgets, not a part of a rigorous and orderly pattern of thought.
Not to mention that for a religious person, finding out more about the world God has created allows us to know more about Him and is therefore a pursuit worthy in itself.
Not to mention that for a religious person, finding out more about the world God has created allows us to know more about Him and is therefore a pursuit worthy in itself.
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pocaracas
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And yet… the Chinese invented gunpowder… and used it for fireworks.
The European Christians took that invention and turned it into a weapon.
Great philosophies heralded from ancient Greece. It was an equally Greek guy that first calculated, with an astonishing accuracy, the circumference of the Earth.
In medicine, we see the Hippocratic oath be born also in Greece.
India came up with the “Atharvaveda, a sacred text of Hinduism dating from the Early Iron Age, is one of the first Indian text dealing with medicine.”
I doubt that, had Europe been engulfed in a different religion, it wouldn’t have also become a merger of worldwide knowledge and cauldron of new ideas
The European Christians took that invention and turned it into a weapon.
Great philosophies heralded from ancient Greece. It was an equally Greek guy that first calculated, with an astonishing accuracy, the circumference of the Earth.
In medicine, we see the Hippocratic oath be born also in Greece.
India came up with the “Atharvaveda, a sacred text of Hinduism dating from the Early Iron Age, is one of the first Indian text dealing with medicine.”
I doubt that, had Europe been engulfed in a different religion, it wouldn’t have also become a merger of worldwide knowledge and cauldron of new ideas
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abucs
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Modern science had its genesis, development and growth in medieval Christian civilization in medieval Christian institutions.
For such an important and globe transforming revolution to happen somewhere else then a similar framework that allowed it to flourish in medieval Christian society would have had to be present somewhere else.
The evidence shows that whatever the framework needed, it was only in one civilization where it did develop and from this civilization its success travelled to the rest of the world.
The important question to ask is why it developed in this one civilization to the extent that it became an irreversible force of a culture of increasing and valued knowledge.
For such an important and globe transforming revolution to happen somewhere else then a similar framework that allowed it to flourish in medieval Christian society would have had to be present somewhere else.
The evidence shows that whatever the framework needed, it was only in one civilization where it did develop and from this civilization its success travelled to the rest of the world.
The important question to ask is why it developed in this one civilization to the extent that it became an irreversible force of a culture of increasing and valued knowledge.
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