People can still be conscious after they have ‘died’, researcher says

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People who have been declared dead can sometimes remember events after ‘death’ – and there’s evidence to prove it.

Dr Sam Parnia of the University of Southampton has conducted large studies in the subject – and said that some patients have even heard their own death being declared.

Dr Parnia said: ‘This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions, occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with ‘real’ events when the heart isn’t beating.
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And this is why you don’t base your entire worldview only on science, kiddos, great as it can be. Science is never wrong, until it was suddenly wrong the entire time, as the case sometimes becomes.
 
Some research I did regarding organ donation was disturbing for this reason,
and also records of instances where people who are presumed dead, have awakened in the morgue.
Important to ensure that sufficient anesthetic is used, not just paralysers to stop any post death tremors.
Insist on anesthetic, even if the loved one is pronounced brain-dead.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/14/waking-morgue-death-janina-kolkiewicz

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/melbourne-doctor-most-donors-still-alive-when-organs-are-removed

Alternate argument that may reassure…however when in doubt, it would be preferableto set clear parameters with the surgeon

http://www.macleans.ca/uncategorized/can-donating-organs-be-painful-even-after-youve-flatlined/
 
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It’s worth pointing out that this relates to “cardiac death”, not “brain death”. We’ve known for a long time that people can come back from cardiac death, we have many medical interventions to do just this. Cellular function doesn’t cease with cardiac death, so it isn’t wholly surprising that there might be some form of conciousness in this state.

Peace and God bless!
 
Nothing wrong with a scientific study. People put science on a pedestal it was never meant to stand on, though.
 
Brain activity tends to flatline within 2-20 seconds after cardiac death (though there have been a few recorded exceptions to this), and at the moment nothing has been found to suggest the kind of subjective experience those who experience these kinds of NDE’s claim to have. Further research is needed on the cause of these kinds of NDE’s, but that’s kind of hard to do in these situations.
 
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Personally, I believe in NDEs. I figure when the body dies; the soul is free to perceive things that it ordinarily wouldn’t because it’s mainly concerned with the body and its perceptions. I don’t know if that’s a good Catholic position, but; that’s my two cents.
 
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what this fake news article seems to be saying is that your brain can continue to function after your soul has gone away forever

again, i don’t believe it
 
As for that: I believe the brain is merely the physiological interface between the soul and body. It wouldn’t surprise me if the wetware continues to function after the soul is gone.
 
under what circumstances could the brain survive physical death? guillotine? machine gun wound to the head? decapitation? a brick falling on your skull from masonry scaffolding?
 
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Guillotine and decapitation; yes. The others; not as likely, I think.
 
so the near dead, non-blood-supplied intact brain can survive ?

5 minutes, 10 minutes?
 
I’m not a doctor. It depends on what happened to the body as well as the brain; is my guess.
 
I read about this study.

If they were able to ascertain that the patient could remember things following “death” then it means they were able to ask the patient following “recovery”.

I think it means that the patient didn’t actually die.

So the study should read that unconscious and unresponsive patients can remember things when they recover. Which makes sense.
 
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Brain activity tends to flatline within 2-20 seconds after cardiac death (though there have been a few recorded exceptions to this), and at the moment nothing has been found to suggest the kind of subjective experience those who experience these kinds of NDE’s claim to have. Further research is needed on the cause of these kinds of NDE’s, but that’s kind of hard to do in these situations.
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Here is a description of a NDE by Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon and professor at the University of Virginia Medical School. He is describing his own NDE.
So when I announced to the world that during my seven days of coma I not only remained fully conscious but journeyed to a stunning world of beauty and peace and unconditional love, I knew I was stirring up a very volatile pot. Critics have maintained that my near-death experience, like similar experiences others before me have claimed, was a brain-based delusion cobbled together by my synapses only after they had somehow recovered from the blistering weeklong attack.

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My synapses—the spaces between the neurons of the brain that support the electrochemical activity that makes the brain function—were not simply compromised during my experience. They were stopped. Only isolated pockets of deep cortical neurons were still sputtering, but no broad networks capable of generating anything like what we call “consciousness.” The E. coli bacteria that flooded my brain during my illness made sure of that. My doctors have told me that according to all the brain tests they were doing, there was no way that any of the functions including vision, hearing, emotion, memory, language, or logic could possibly have been intact.
http://www.newsweek.com/science-heaven-63823
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