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BornInMarch
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Could a Muslim person please explain what People of the Book are?
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SAVINGRACE
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Catholics are not People of the Book.
The faith of Christ, according to Catholic teaching, is not found solely in the Christian Scriptures, but also in the Sacred Tradition and Magisterium of the Church.
The Catholic faith existed before the first ‘bible’ as we know it was written and it would have existed even if that first Bible was never collated.
The faith of Christ, according to Catholic teaching, is not found solely in the Christian Scriptures, but also in the Sacred Tradition and Magisterium of the Church.
The Catholic faith existed before the first ‘bible’ as we know it was written and it would have existed even if that first Bible was never collated.
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SAVINGRACE
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In Islam, the Qur’an is taken to represent the completion of these scriptures, and to synthesize them as God’s true, final, and eternal message to humanity. Because the People of the Book recognize the God of Abraham, Yahweh (Hebrew: יהוה) as the one and only god, as do Muslims, and they practice revealed faiths based on divine ordinances, tolerance and autonomy is accorded to them in societies governed by sharia (Islamic divine law).
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PseuTonym
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If a single country that is officially Christian were to introduce the kinds of restrictions on advocacy of Islam that many countries governed by sharia law impose on people who advocate Christianity, then would anybody in the news media describe the imposition of those new restrictions as the according of tolerance and autonomy to Muslims?
If the Qur’an is God’s true, final, and eternal message to humanity, then what is sharia? Can you provide a citation of where in the Qur’an the sharia is to be found? If the Qur’an is God’s final message, then the sharia is in the Qur’an or the sharia comes before the Qur’an or the sharia is not from God.
What does it mean to say that sharia is “Islamic divine law”? Do we begin with a definition of Islam that has nothing to do with sharia, and then discover that there is a connection between Islam and sharia? Alternatively, is “Islam” an open-ended concept that allows for the introduction of new religious and political texts that go beyond the Qur’an?
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Reuben_J
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While this may be true it is difficult to say with certainty to as to who indeed were the people of the Book. I have read different explanations by Muslims and it was not as clear cut as we would like it to be. AFAIK, the people of the Book were those that were given written messages by God before Muhammad. These included the Jews and Christians for obvious reason that they had holy scriptures but then there were also of adherents of other religions that had similar scriptures of their own. Zoroastrians were among them but since Islam believes in something like 400,000 prophets, some Muslims do include the Hindus as people of the book too.
The difficulty in identifying the actual people of the Book was that they must be those whose scriptures were unadulterated and free of corruption. This invariably makes the present day adherents may not fulfill the requirement of the people of the Book and there are Muslims who are reluctant to accord this privilege to them. Perhaps others can further clarify on this.
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Kevin_Keith
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Christians and Jews.
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TruthBearer
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It is certain that Jews and Christians are among the people of the Book in Islam. Muslim scholars debate about the other religions.
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SAVINGRACE
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**Catholics are not People of the Book.
According to Catholic teaching, the Faith of Christ is not found solely in the Christian Scriptures, but also in the Sacred Tradition and Magisterium of the Church.
The Catholic faith existed before the first ‘bible’ as we know it was written and it would have existed even if the Bible was never collated.**
I know but that is how we are referred to. The Koran wouldn’t say about the Magisterium.
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codefro
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It is a reference to Christians and Jews.
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hasantas
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If there would not be the revelation which came to Jesus so there would not be Christianity. And if that revelation would not be saved as Bible so that the Christian faith would not be saved. The problem is with (as you mention) Church’s doctrines which were established later. So Qur’an invoke and call Christians(people of Book and Revelation) to consider Revelation. That is the reason why Qur’an tell “People of the Book”.
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Dpoc41
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Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery
by M A Khan
After defeating the Jews of Khaybar, the women and children were carried away as slaves. The surviving Jewish men were spared and allowed to tend their lands as long as Muslims needed them on the condition of surrendering fifty percent of the produce as tribute. Allah subsequently codified this new paradigm as the final protocol for dealing with the Jews and Christians in verse 9:29 (revealed in 631): ‘Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth [Islam], (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews & Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.’
The Jews and Christians are recognized as the privileged** People of the Book** in Islam. Even then, if they fail to accept Islam, Muslims must fight them until they are defeated and agree to pay jizyah tax as a symbol of their humiliated and subjugated status to supreme Islam. By this divine decree [9:29], Allah commands Muslims to attack the Jewish and Christian communities and nations. After defeating them, Muslims can enslave their women and children in the way the Prophet dealt with the Jews of Banu Qurayza and Khaybar. If the vanquished Christians and Jews willingly accept the supremacy and sovereignty of Islam and agree to pay the humiliating jizyah, land-tax and other tributes, they should be allowed to live on with a host of disabilities as enshrined in the Pact of Omar (see in next chapter).
Before Prophet Muhammad died about a year later, he seemed to have changed his mind again, whereby he wanted to give no quarters to the Jews and Christians in Islamic territories, similar to the way the idolaters had already been exterminated from Arabia. This was spelled in one of his three final wishes in his death-bed that ‘two religions should not be allowed to remain in the peninsula of the Arabs.’ A hadith also affirms this: ‘It has been narrated by ‘Omar b. al-Khattab that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: ‘I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim’’ [Muslim 129. Muir, p. 402 19:4366]. Accordingly, Caliph Omar cleansed the Arabian Peninsula of the Jews and Christians [Bukhari 3:39:53]. the Jews and Christians [Bukhari 3:39:53].
Islam, therefore, accords a choice between conversion to Islam and death to Polytheists (Pagans, idolaters, heathens, animists and atheists etc.), while the Christians and Jews are to be reduced into a humiliated and heavily exploited subhuman entity. It should be noted that a greater majority of the world population during Muhammad’s time were Polytheists living in India, China, South and North America, and Africa. Many of these peoples, notably in India and China, had created valuable and creative civilization since the ancient times. With one stroke of the theology of Islam, they were rendered to be either brutally converted to Islam or violently dispatched to the fire of hell by a rather uncultured and backward people, who had no achievements of note until that time.
by M A Khan
After defeating the Jews of Khaybar, the women and children were carried away as slaves. The surviving Jewish men were spared and allowed to tend their lands as long as Muslims needed them on the condition of surrendering fifty percent of the produce as tribute. Allah subsequently codified this new paradigm as the final protocol for dealing with the Jews and Christians in verse 9:29 (revealed in 631): ‘Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth [Islam], (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews & Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.’
The Jews and Christians are recognized as the privileged** People of the Book** in Islam. Even then, if they fail to accept Islam, Muslims must fight them until they are defeated and agree to pay jizyah tax as a symbol of their humiliated and subjugated status to supreme Islam. By this divine decree [9:29], Allah commands Muslims to attack the Jewish and Christian communities and nations. After defeating them, Muslims can enslave their women and children in the way the Prophet dealt with the Jews of Banu Qurayza and Khaybar. If the vanquished Christians and Jews willingly accept the supremacy and sovereignty of Islam and agree to pay the humiliating jizyah, land-tax and other tributes, they should be allowed to live on with a host of disabilities as enshrined in the Pact of Omar (see in next chapter).
Before Prophet Muhammad died about a year later, he seemed to have changed his mind again, whereby he wanted to give no quarters to the Jews and Christians in Islamic territories, similar to the way the idolaters had already been exterminated from Arabia. This was spelled in one of his three final wishes in his death-bed that ‘two religions should not be allowed to remain in the peninsula of the Arabs.’ A hadith also affirms this: ‘It has been narrated by ‘Omar b. al-Khattab that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: ‘I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim’’ [Muslim 129. Muir, p. 402 19:4366]. Accordingly, Caliph Omar cleansed the Arabian Peninsula of the Jews and Christians [Bukhari 3:39:53]. the Jews and Christians [Bukhari 3:39:53].
Islam, therefore, accords a choice between conversion to Islam and death to Polytheists (Pagans, idolaters, heathens, animists and atheists etc.), while the Christians and Jews are to be reduced into a humiliated and heavily exploited subhuman entity. It should be noted that a greater majority of the world population during Muhammad’s time were Polytheists living in India, China, South and North America, and Africa. Many of these peoples, notably in India and China, had created valuable and creative civilization since the ancient times. With one stroke of the theology of Islam, they were rendered to be either brutally converted to Islam or violently dispatched to the fire of hell by a rather uncultured and backward people, who had no achievements of note until that time.
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adrift
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We follow Jesus that is why we are Christians. I would quibble with your statement that revelation came to Jesus. Jesus was the revelation.
Christianity does not rely on Scripture. As was pointed out to you, Christianity existed before the New Testament. Christianity did not come out of the Bible, the Bible came out of the Church.
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I need more of explanation of what you mean but Jesus established the doctrines. Came later? Developed later but not established later no.
What revelation are you referring too? Could you explain a little more?
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hasantas
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Islam, Qur’an or Allah do not aimed and purposed to kill Pagans and others. Pagans fought against Islam to abolish it and Muslims retaliated. Firstly Pagans tortured and killed Muslims to destroy Islam by power and wars. Pagans arranged tribes and set armed forces to wipe out Islam. Allah allowed Muslims to retaliate in same way. And when Muslims were winner Muslims did not tortured anyone. And Islam did not force anyone to get faith by force. Islam give people choices. Slavers of war were allowed to get free with ransom money. Islam abated slavery gradually.
Muhammed did not force anybody to be Islam. People saw the fact and then they accepted faith. Otherwise if someone is obligated to accept faith with sword or with such thing then there is no mean if indeed that human did not accept faith with heart. And that one is called Munafik and Islam do not want people to be Munafik.
And that is a fact that Islam set certain rules to protect faith and fighting is included.
Islamic state take money from Muslims too as tax or Zakah(offering).
The Pagans in India or China or any where did not intend to destroy Islam so Islam had not any problem with them. But Muslims went those places to spread faith in a peaceful way.
You Christians compare Christianity with Islam and say Islam did not spread in a peaceful way. Therefor when was Christianity accepted by majority of people and spread? Christianity could not spread for 300 years. Christianity could not do that until Byzantine Empire accepted Chritianity as state religion. And Christianity used state force to spread. Islam provided that protective power initially.
Christianity believe in three gods and Allah do not affirm that and Allah obviously inform that Allah is unique in His actions, personality, attributions, property etc and there is no any other god or divine entity. So Christians do not believe in one God but Allah know that Christians believe in God in a wrong way. So Allah warn Christians to not say God is three and to say God is one is better.
- Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Al-Tauba(9): 29
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hasantas
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Jesus was a prophet but not God. So God send revelation through angel. Jesus fulfilled the work of prophethood after about 30 years old. So if Jesus was God initially why did He not do that job?
If you mean Bible was written 60-90 years later! The disciplines which apostles took from Jesus was revelation and it is not important if that revelation was written later. Prophets set laws of religion according to revelation. If Church added or reduced something from scripture that is Church’s false.
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Jesus did not imply any such thing like Trinity. And Church established and developed those later.
You believe Jesus was God but Islam do not approve that. Jesus was a prophet. Prophet preach people and teach the faith and worshipping. And prophet do all that according to revelation. If a prophet did not get a new revelation then that prophet implement the previous revelation as many prophets did.
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adrift
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Your question is not clear. I do not understand what you are asking
You are really confusing. From your post I know that English is not your first language. You often have incomplete sentences which make understanding what you mean difficult.
The Bible is complicated. We have the Jewish Scriptures and then you have the New Testament. They weren’t brought together and compiled into one “book” until the second century. It was the Church that decided what books would be included and excluded from the Bible through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This is really a simple explanation and it really much more complicated.
This is a false statement.
It was Jesus’ command to go and Baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the** Holy Spirit**. It is very clear that Jesus is naming three which is the meaning of Trinity.
Again a false statement since it was taught from the beginning as evidence that it was written down.
No I believe Jesus IS God.
Islam is wrong:shrug:
This I understand is your belief but it doesn’t really explain what Islam means by people of the book.
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hasantas
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Jesus started to preach people as a prophet in His 30 years old. Prophet Muhammed was 40 years old when He became prophet. I mean Jesus was not God but He was human and just like other prophet He became prophet and performed miracles. If Jesus were God He would not wait until 30. There is nothing else which could make Jesus God.=adrift;12954557]Your question is not clear. I do not understand what you are asking
Torah and Bible was revelation from God. So people who regard these revelation are to be People of Book. Church compiled the revelation which came to prophets Moses and Jesus. If the source of a text is divine revelation then that scripture is to be divine scripture. If you reduce revelation from scripture then there will not be anything to regard. And except revelation nobody can establish a divine religion.
Holy Spirit is a ghost god. Even if you assume Holy Spirit lead Church to compile revelation here yet Holy Spirit do not add something into revelation. So we must regard the revelation which revealed to Jesus. And that revelation was compiled as Bible. Christians believe in Bible so Christians are People of the Book.
The Trinity is a long issue…
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adrift
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You came to this conclusion how? Jesus forgave sins only God can forgive sins. Jesus said He is God. I don’t see the link between how old Jesus was and His being God:shrug:
If I understand you correctly, then there is little disagreement. Scripture is divinely inspired where we disagree Is that the Holy Spirit is God who inspires and leads us.
So the people of the book our Jews and Christians.
You are right and not part of this discussion.
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