People repeating Eurchristic prayer after priest?

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Hi, I am wondering if this is something normal that is allowed in the Mass or not. We have a retired priest filling in for our original priest during the weekday mass and during the Eucharistic prayer he has the people repeat a few sentences after him during the prayer. We all repeat after him 3 to 4 times during the Eucharistic prayer… “we praise you, we bless you, we thank you”. I’ve been to many different Churches and I never seen this before. It doesn’t shake my faith but it makes me wonder if perhaps its ok for some priest to do this if they are in their 80’s and retired offering the mass. Is it ever ok to change the words a little bit or should the mass follow a certain order always?
 
dfp42 said:
Hi, I am wondering if this is something normal that is allowed in the Mass or not. We have a retired priest filling in for our original priest during the weekday mass and during the Eucharistic prayer he has the people repeat a few sentences after him during the prayer. We all repeat after him 3 to 4 times during the Eucharistic prayer… “we praise you, we bless you, we thank you”. I’ve been to many different Churches and I never seen this before. It doesn’t shake my faith but it makes me wonder if perhaps its ok for some priest to do this if they are in their 80’s and retired offering the mass. Is it ever ok to change the words a little bit or should the mass follow a certain order always?
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Your priest is using Eucharistic Prayer for Children II. I don’t know the rules governing the use of this Eucharistic Prayer.
 
dfp42 said:
Hi, I am wondering if this is something normal that is allowed in the Mass or not. We have a retired priest filling in for our original priest during the weekday mass and during the Eucharistic prayer he has the people repeat a few sentences after him during the prayer. We all repeat after him 3 to 4 times during the Eucharistic prayer… “we praise you, we bless you, we thank you”. I’ve been to many different Churches and I never seen this before. It doesn’t shake my faith but it makes me wonder if perhaps its ok for some priest to do this if they are in their 80’s and retired offering the mass. Is it ever ok to change the words a little bit or should the mass follow a certain order always?
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They are licit. They are called the “eucharistic prayers for children”. I believe there are 3 of them. They should not be used unless there are a large number of young children present, and even then, I think they should not be used. Luckily, they will not be able to be used after the new translation rolls out.

I think this part is particularly weird from the second of these dumbed down prayers, from the consecration, no less!
EP for Children II:
Priest: The night before he died, Jesus your Son showed us how much you love us. When he was at supper with his disciples, he took bread and gave you thanks and praise. Then he broke the bread, gave it to his friends, and said:

Take this, all of you, and eat it;
this is my body which will be given up for you.

All: Jesus has given his life for us.

Priest: When supper was ended, Jesus took the cup that was filled with wine. He thanked you, gave it to his friends, and said:

Take this, all of you, and drink from it;
this is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven.

All: Jesus has given his life for us.

Priest: Then he said to them: do this in memory of me.
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I think this is rediculus, the people interrupting the consecration like this! I’m glad they will only be around for less than a year…
 
dfp42 said:
Is it ever ok to change the words a little bit or should the mass follow a certain order always?
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I missed this on my first read-through of your post. The answer is a resounding no. Some people may say otherwise, but are simply wrong.
Redemptionis Sacramentum:
No other person, not even a priest, may add, remove or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority
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TheMc said:
They are licit. They are called the “eucharistic prayers for children”. I believe there are 3 of them. They should not be used unless there are a large number of young children present, and even then, I think they should not be used. Luckily, they will not be able to be used after the new translation rolls out.

I think this part is particularly weird from the second of these dumbed down prayers, from the consecration, no less!

I think this is rediculus, the people interrupting the consecration like this! I’m glad they will only be around for less than a year…
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Exclamations during Consecration are allowed by the Church and is in fact practiced both East and West. In the Divine Liturgy we say “Amen! Amen” after the Consecration of each Sacred Species. In the OF in the Philippines we say, “My Lord and my God”.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Exclamations during Consecration are allowed by the Church and is in fact practiced both East and West. In the Divine Liturgy we say “Amen! Amen” after the Consecration of each Sacred Species. In the OF in the Philippines we say, “My Lord and my God”.
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Really? I guess I flew of the handle a little bit because the rest of the text is “kid-ish” and dumbed down. Sorry Y’all for my temper!
 
Yeah its the Eucharistic Prayer II for Children that we are saying:

*Priest: *And so, loving Father, we remember that Jesus died and rose again to save the world. He put himself into our hands to be the sacrifice we offer you.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.
*Priest: *Lord our God listen to our prayer. Send the Holy Spirit to all of us who share in this meal. May this Spirit bring us closer together in the family of the Church, with {Benedict}, our Pope, {name of local bishop}, our bishop, all other bishops, and all who serve your people.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.
*Priest: *Remember, Father, our families and friends (…), and all those we do not love as we should. Remember those who have died (…). Bring them home to you to be with you for ever.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.
*Priest: *Gather us all together into your kingdom. There we shall be happy for ever with the Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our mother. There all the friends of Jesus the Lord will sing a song of joy.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.

But I wonder why? This is the second time I heard him do this and there are only 20 old people attending mass with NO children present at all in the mass. Maybe he considers us children since he is technically a retired priest and has a harder time saying mass? Is it up to the priest to pick whatever Eucharistic Prayer he wants any day? I been getting the booklet the magnificat and notice that some the things are not the same etc.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Why? Are the overwhelming number of congregants at these Masses children?
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Nope, no children even at the daily mass. Perhaps because he’s a retired priest filling in, he doesn’t know any better? That’s all I can think of unless there’s a reason for this change. Our original parish priest has never done this.
 
dfp42 said:
Nope, no children even at the daily mass.
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Then he shouldn’t be using these Eucharistic Prayers.
dfp42 said:
Perhaps because he’s a retired priest filling in, he doesn’t know any better?
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He may be retired but he should know better.
dfp42 said:
That’s all I can think of unless there’s a reason for this change. Our original parish priest has never done this.
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I cannot think of a single reason for celebrating a “Children’s Mass” for a congregation that contains no children.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Exclamations during Consecration are allowed by the Church and is in fact practiced both East and West. In the Divine Liturgy we say “Amen! Amen” after the Consecration of each Sacred Species. In the OF in the Philippines we say, “My Lord and my God”.
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Do you know offhand if this is simply a custom, or is it in the Roman Missal or GIRM for the Philippines?
 
I don’t know why he’s doing it. All I know is I and others around are obviously confused during the prayers that we repeat after him. I been to very many parishes around my area and other states and I never seen this.

One of 2 things. Either he doesn’t know better, or he doesn’t care since he wants to say mass how he wants to say mass. He is a very old man in his 80’s as compared to our parish priest who is in his late 30’s.

I’m sure mass gets said the way the priest wants to say it without following a proper form in many places around the United States and there’s not much people can do about it.
 
TheMc said:
Exclamations during Consecration are allowed by the Church and is in fact practiced both East and West. In the Divine Liturgy we say “Amen! Amen” after the Consecration of each Sacred Species. In the OF in the Philippines we say, “My Lord and my God”.
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Just FYI, in the East and Orient, it’s not exactly an “exclamation” but a simple “Amen” that is said (or sung) after each part of the Institution Narrative. Depending on which Church, the same is also done after the Epiklesis.

I’ve never heard of any such thing in the Latin Church, not even in the Novus Ordo; AFAIK there’s nothing about in the IGMR other than the “Mysterium Fidei,” but I suppose it could be some sort of local indult in certain places.
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Has anyone thought to ask the resident priest about this?? Seems kind of strange to use the EP for children when there are none.
 
Digitonomy said:
Do you know offhand if this is simply a custom, or is it in the Roman Missal or GIRM for the Philippines?
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I suspect that the poster may be referring to the Memorial Acclamation. “My Lord and My God”, may be one permitted in the Philippines. It is permitted in Ireland but not in England and Wales or Scotland.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
I suspect that the poster may be referring to the Memorial Acclamation. “My Lord and My God”, may be one permitted in the Philippines. It is permitted in Ireland but not in England and Wales or Scotland.
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In most of the Tridentine Missals I own this response is suggested as a silent acclimation to the Elevated Host. Both the St. Josephs and the Fr. Stedman have this.

At the elevation of the Host " My Lord and My God" 7 years indulgenced

At the Elevation of the Precious Blood: “We beseech Thee therefore, Help thy Servants, whom thou hast redeemed with Thy Precious Blood” 300 days indulgenced.

Just a few more devout customs that were left off the Novus Ordo ark.
 
dfp42 said:
Yeah its the Eucharistic Prayer II for Children that we are saying:

Priest: And so, loving Father, we remember that Jesus died and rose again to save the world. He put himself into our hands to be the sacrifice we offer you.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.
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Interesting. I’ve never heard this in the Roman Rite. The only Masses for Children I’ve assisted in are those every Friday morning during the school year and apparently the priest there doesn’t use the Eucharistic Prayer II version.

In the ancient Divine Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom and of St. Basil the Great after the Anaphora we chant: “We praise Thee, we bless Thee, we give thanks unto Thee, O Lord; and we pray unto Thee, O our God.” (Usually in parishes I’m in it’s “We praise Thee, we bless Thee, we give thanks unto Thee, O Lord; and we pray unto Thee, pray unto Thee, O our God, and we pray unto Thee, O our God.”
 
dfp42 said:
Yeah its the Eucharistic Prayer II for Children that we are saying:

Priest: And so, loving Father, we remember that Jesus died and rose again to save the world. He put himself into our hands to be the sacrifice we offer you.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.
Priest: Lord our God listen to our prayer. Send the Holy Spirit to all of us who share in this meal. May this Spirit bring us closer together in the family of the Church, with {Benedict}, our Pope, {name of local bishop}, our bishop, all other bishops, and all who serve your people.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.
Priest: Remember, Father, our families and friends (…), and all those we do not love as we should. Remember those who have died (…). Bring them home to you to be with you for ever.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.
Priest: Gather us all together into your kingdom. There we shall be happy for ever with the Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our mother. There all the friends of Jesus the Lord will sing a song of joy.
***All: ***We praise you, we bless you, we thank you.

But I wonder why? This is the second time I heard him do this and there are only 20 old people attending mass with NO children present at all in the mass. Maybe he considers us children since he is technically a retired priest and has a harder time saying mass? Is it up to the priest to pick whatever Eucharistic Prayer he wants any day? I been getting the booklet the magnificat and notice that some the things are not the same etc.
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There are a few very relevant possibilities…
  1. he’s got it memorized and can’t read the missal during the mass (which means he may use it even when not technically appropriate)
  2. he is doing it for specific catechetical purposes, which may be licit, if his bishop approves
  3. his bishop has indulted EPfC II for adult use
  4. He might not realize its restricted for masses with Children (Unlikely, but possible)
 
laszlo said:
The Eucharistic prayer for children was allowed and still licit

catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/EPC1-3.htm

for masses with children

nccbuscc.org/liturgy/q&a/mass/child.shtml

There is a possibility that it will be not part of the new translation starting to be used in the coming Advent of 2011

newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/10/eucharistic-prayers-for-children-to-be.html
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They won’t be included in the new translation of the Roman Missal because they are not in the Latin version of the Roman Missal. Why aren’t they there? Because they were never to be used in Latin.

Paul Turner, in “Celebrate!”, wrote that after the new translation is implemented the old Sacramentary will have to be used for the EPs for Children. I thought that the old Sacramentary would be verboten once the new translation is implemented.
 
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