Perceptive Reality vs. Objective reality

[Anthony_V]

Just an idea I’ve been thinking about. Maybe it’s too Hollywood?

We know well that experiences we have are chemically related. For everything we do, there is a chemical compound that allows us to feel whatever it is we do-- touch, sight, hearing, taste, and smell. What if it’s like a dream. We lost our spiritual sight at original sin-- we lost that sense. We have the other five left. We can choose still because we have free will, and it’s all a massive construct: It’s an organized system of reality. Like the Eucharist. It looks and smells and taste like bread and wine, buts its really * Jesus*. When we die, maybe it’s like just waking up. Gaining that sight back, if you will. Atheists and Christians alike will see what the world is really like-- and what it should have been: what all the saints and angels see and what happens at Communion. And what happens during reconciliation and marriage, and ordination, and baptism, and anointing of the sick. Just like waking up from a blurred dream. Finally seeing and understanding what you’ve longed to know for so long. What eternity really is.

How awesome would that be.

 

[TEPO]

Just an idea I’ve been thinking about. Maybe it’s too Hollywood?

We know well that experiences we have are chemically related. For everything we do, there is a chemical compound that allows us to feel whatever it is we do-- touch, sight, hearing, taste, and smell. What if it’s like a dream. We lost our spiritual sight at original sin-- we lost that sense. We have the other five left. We can choose still because we have free will, and it’s all a massive construct: It’s an organized system of reality. Like the Eucharist. It looks and smells and taste like bread and wine, buts its really * Jesus*. When we die, maybe it’s like just waking up. Gaining that sight back, if you will. Atheists and Christians alike will see what the world is really like-- and what it should have been: what all the saints and angels see and what happens at Communion. And what happens during reconciliation and marriage, and ordination, and baptism, and anointing of the sick. Just like waking up from a blurred dream. Finally seeing and understanding what you’ve longed to know for so long. What eternity really is.

How awesome would that be.

I believe this is correct.

 

[Cominghome89]

While I’m not sure about the philosophical implications of what you are saying, there is something very genuine about the idea. I wouldn’t say that this world is a dream, exactly. It seems very clear that this is the world God has given us to live in: material things, senses, bodies and all. However, you make a good point. While we live in the body, and are subject to the senses, even the most holy of us cannot truly comprehend the spiritual realities of God, heaven and eternity. So yes, assuming we die, make it through judgment, and enter into heaven with God, it will be something like waking up from a dream into a perfect reality.

With all the ideas of sitting on clouds, angels with wings and instruments, etc. it’s an important thing to remember that we cannot even begin to comprehend heaven, to understand what it means to see God face to face. Something to look forward to, to live for. And to realize that we will never understand it’s importance and greatness until we get there

Yes, it will be awesome.

In the joy of the risen Christ,
Frank

 

[Anthony_V]

While I’m not sure about the philosophical implications of what you are saying, there is something very genuine about the idea. I wouldn’t say that this world is a dream, exactly. It seems very clear that this is the world God has given us to live in: material things, senses, bodies and all. However, you make a good point. While we live in the body, and are subject to the senses, even the most holy of us cannot truly comprehend the spiritual realities of God, heaven and eternity. So yes, assuming we die, make it through judgment, and enter into heaven with God, it will be something like waking up from a dream into a perfect reality.

With all the ideas of sitting on clouds, angels with wings and instruments, etc. it’s an important thing to remember that we cannot even begin to comprehend heaven, to understand what it means to see God face to face. Something to look forward to, to live for. And to realize that we will never understand it’s importance and greatness until we get there

Yes, it will be awesome.

In the joy of the risen Christ,
Frank

I see what you’re saying. Allow me to refine my “philosophical implications”. I was leaning toward the idea that the physical universe and the other universe (whatever that substantiates) coexist, but are separate identities. You can’t get into many examples because those sort of metaphysics are not available for us to observe. Take conception for example. The baby is formed physically and spiritually at the same time. The body and spirit are in coexistence, but they are separate. They are exactly one, but they are two inseparable pieces that are one as long as the person is living here. Trying to think of another example… Think as if you are dreaming, and you just woke up. The dream and the reality of whats happening are two pieces of the whole. One is a perception, and one is a reality. Just as the body is perception and the spirit is a reality. But the perception (body or dream) is perceived reality. It’s like… say you’re reading a book and you form an image in your head of what a character or scene is. And then you go see the movie and its different. It’s all based on and objective source-- the actuality-- but it’s a perception of what that reality actually is. So the world we’re living in is indeed a world that God created. I’m not saying it’s just a figment of imagination. What I am saying though is that it’s only visible to us in the ways that we can see it. When we die and our spirit and body part from each other (and we pass that judgment), then we see (without the bias of physical sensation) what the world is. And since we are then eternal, we experience eternity and see eternity as it happens and is just as God does. Not an alternate reality, just the same reality with the extension of eternity and in a different light.

 

[valentino]

Just an idea I’ve been thinking about. Maybe it’s too Hollywood?

We know well that experiences we have are chemically related. For everything we do, there is a chemical compound that allows us to feel whatever it is we do-- touch, sight, hearing, taste, and smell. What if it’s like a dream. We lost our spiritual sight at original sin-- we lost that sense. We have the other five left. We can choose still because we have free will, and it’s all a massive construct: It’s an organized system of reality. Like the Eucharist. It looks and smells and taste like bread and wine, buts its really * Jesus*. When we die, maybe it’s like just waking up. Gaining that sight back, if you will. Atheists and Christians alike will see what the world is really like-- and what it should have been: what all the saints and angels see and what happens at Communion. And what happens during reconciliation and marriage, and ordination, and baptism, and anointing of the sick. Just like waking up from a blurred dream. Finally seeing and understanding what you’ve longed to know for so long. What eternity really is.
In the first place its apple and oranges.One does not sense OG like we sense smell.its purely physical.OG has to do with the spiritual.You can’t quantify it in the same sense.Jesus pointed out in a real sense what sin was through His passion.It made clear man’s jusstice vs God’s justice.Ithe Jews and Pilate ect.chose to destroy Good and accept their idea of what was right and just.
How awesome would that be.

 

[smichhertz]

St Joseph of Cupertino described his ecstasies exactly like that. He said when he would experience ecstasy in prayer, it was like a curtain was drawn back and he saw everything as it really was.