Perfect and or righteous in Bible?

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How many people were said to be perfect or righteous in the Holy Bible?

?Enoch?

?Noah?

?Job?

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How about the Shulamite? (Song of Songs)

Also, Does the Holy Bible define perfect?
 
No.

I do not know how the Holy Bible defines perfect. I know how we define perfect in 2008, but I do not know how the Holy Bible defined perfect.

Also, from memory, I think the Holy Bible says some people were rigtheous or justified.

I am not sure, but I think Job is righteous. I think Noah was righteous or perfect.

How many were said to be perfect, if any?

How many were said to be righteous, if any?

Thanks!!!
 
Seamus_Sully said:
No.

I do not know how the Holy Bible defines perfect. I know how we define perfect in 2008, but I do not know how the Holy Bible defined perfect.

Also, from memory, I think the Holy Bible says some people were rigtheous or justified.

I am not sure, but I think Job is righteous. I think Noah was righteous or perfect.

How many were said to be perfect, if any?

How many were said to be righteous, if any?

Thanks!!!
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I don’t know how many. How the count important?
 
I am rereading Augustine’s Letter and Spirit for the third time. I am not a scholar.

When reading Augustine he seems to yell that it is possible to keep the law–even though no human has. It is possible through God’s grace working in us.

It seems to me that some are said to be perfect. I am wondering if my memory is correct or incorrect.

Also, How does the Holy Bible define perfect (if any are said to be perfect)?

Also, I thought Job was said to be righteous, but I cannot recall for sure.

I though Enoch was perfect, at least in some sense. I thought there might be others.

Thanks!
 
Ezekiel 14: 20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, [were] in it, [as] I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall [but] deliver their own souls by their righteousness (KJV).
 
Seamus_Sully said:
How many people were said to be perfect or righteous in the Holy Bible?

?Enoch?

?Noah?

?Job?

Thanks!
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Zechariah and Elizabeth:

“…there was a priest named Zechariah of the priestly division of Abijah; his wife was from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. Both were righteous in the eyes of God, observing all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly” (Lk 1:5-6)

Simeon:

“Now there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon. This man was righteous and devout, awaiting the consolation of Israel, and the holy Spirit was upon him” (Lk 2:25).

Elijah:

“The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. Elijah was a human being like us; yet he prayed earnestly that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain upon the land. Then he prayed again, and the sky gave rain and the earth produced its fruit” (James 5:16-18).

I’m sure there are others, but that’s four to start with.

-Rob
 
davidv said:
How about

“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” Mt 5:48 RSV
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I think “perfect” is better understood as “complete”. I thought I read this recently, but I can’t recall where.
 
NotWorthy said:
I think “perfect” is better understood as “complete”. I thought I read this recently, but I can’t recall where.
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I just checked zhubert.com/ which has the Greek text. Matthew 5:48 uses “teleios.”

My middle-Liddell has under teleios having reached its end, finished, complete . Also 3. of persons, absolute, complete, accomplished, perfect in his or its kind.

Plus, I have a copy of Aristotle Nicomachean Ethics, translated by Martin Ostwald, which has a glossary in the back.

For teleios it has:

The adjective derived from telos, ‘end,’ ‘conclusion.’ Its meaning corresponds most closely to Latin perfectum: it means ‘final’ not only in the sense that an end has been reahed and completion attained, but also in that this completion constitutes a perfection which (in Aristotle’s language) is the complete actuality of a thing (entelecheia). To render the term in its various contexts, COMPLETE, FINAL, and PERFECT are used.

Granted, Liddell and Scott is a dictionary mostly concerned with ancient usage, and the glossary that I just quoted specifies Aristotle’s usage, they can give some insight as to how the word was used. I suppose a dictionary for koine Greek would be better. The glossary on zhubert.com/ has it as "having reached its end, finished, complete.

Maybe if this link works, it’ll help. zhubert.com/ uses middle Liddell as a reference, for what it’s worth.

-Rob
 
You guys are truly helpful.

I reread the first chapter of Job and it seems to clearly state that he was righteous.

I forgot about Zechariah and Elizabeth.

Concerning the perfect, God’s love completes us. His love enables us to keep the good and holy law.

I guess that is correct. This is what I understand St. Augustine’s Letter and Spirit to be saying.

THANKS.

Oh, I did not count, but how many did you give me?

WOW!!!
 
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