Perfect Contrition is possible?

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apparently it is possible. But I once heard that perfect love of God is impossible in this life?

so then is perfect contrition a perfect love of God? Is it not to love God as a being good in himself and worthy of all love (and to consequently be contrite for sins)? And is that not the perfect love of God?

Finally, can perfect contrition include a love of God for being the creator of the good things in the world, and a principle of one’s future life? That is, can perfect contrition include a love of God for extrinsic factors? Can one love God for both extrinsic and intrinsic reasons?
 
apparently it is possible. But I once heard that perfect love of God is impossible in this life?

so then is perfect contrition a perfect love of God? Is it not to love God as a being good in himself and worthy of all love (and to consequently be contrite for sins)? And is that not the perfect love of God?

Finally, can perfect contrition include a love of God for being the creator of the good things in the world, and a principle of one’s future life? That is, can perfect contrition include a love of God for extrinsic factors? Can one love God for both extrinsic and intrinsic reasons?
Perfect contrition is a sorrow for sin that originates from the love of God. You realize that you have offended and betrayed a Friend who loves you and whom you also love, so you are sorry.

Imperfect contrition is a sorrow for sin that originates from the fear of God. You realize that by your sin you deserve to be punished, and are now afraid of His just punishments, so you are sorry. The sorrow is imperfect because it does not proceed from the love of God, but from the fear of His just punishments.

Different people have different degrees of love for God. To be perfect, of course, we must have great love of God (or great charity). And to feel intense sorrow for sin, we must have great charity. But I believe contrition can be considered “perfect” even if one is just a beginner in the spiritual life, which means that you can still have a perfect contrition even if you are still growing in charity, or even if you have not yet attained the summit of christian perfection. Provided that you are sorry, not because you fear God’s punishments, but because you have hurt a Friend, your contrition by definition is perfect.

Therefore, this also means that to have perfect contrition, you do not necessarily need to have a conscious love of God as the creator of the world and the goal of your life. I think perfect sorrow results more from your consciousness of having broken a loving relationship with Him, rather than from your consciousness of Him as Creator or ultimate end of human existence.
 
Perfect contrition does not require perfect love. Love for God comes from God Himself. Accepting this is based on one’s ability to accept grace contrary to how much we prefer other things to God which is addiction to sin and the like.

Any love for God fulfills the precept to love God, and perfect love for God comes from our closeness with God which will be full in heaven. Increasing in love for God is accepting His moving us closer to Him, which we thwart by accepting lesser goods to the One Perfect Good and is all we can really do of ourselves. We cannot rise in any way, by ourselves, to God or even generate love on our own.
 
So can perfect contrition include other love’s of God beside the love of God in himself?
 
So can perfect contrition include other love’s of God beside the love of God in himself?
Yes. Perfect contrition originates from the love of God. And because love is all-encompassing, your love of God can include anything and everything that is of God. But for your sorrow to be a “perfect” sorrow, all that is required is your sad realization that you’ve broken your love relationship with Him, and which you now regret.
 
So can perfect contrition include other love’s of God beside the love of God in himself?
The thing is that God is His other “loves” that we would have our love for. Truth, Holiness, Beauty, Simplicity, Unity, Love, etc. all find their absolute existence and beginning and perfection in God. So desire for the lower levels and degrees of truth, holiness, etc. which is our participation in the perfection that is Ultimate Truth, Holiness, etc. is the beginning of perfect love.
 
apparently it is possible. But I once heard that perfect love of God is impossible in this life?

so then is perfect contrition a perfect love of God? Is it not to love God as a being good in himself and worthy of all love (and to consequently be contrite for sins)? And is that not the perfect love of God?

Finally, can perfect contrition include a love of God for being the creator of the good things in the world, and a principle of one’s future life? That is, can perfect contrition include a love of God for extrinsic factors? Can one love God for both extrinsic and intrinsic reasons?
Council of Trent. Session 14:
Chapter IV.
On Contrition.
Contrition, which holds the first place amongst the aforesaid acts of the penitent, is a sorrow of mind, and a detestation for sin committed, with the purpose of not sinning for the future. This movement of contrition was at all times necessary for obtaining the pardon of sins; and, in one who has fallen after Baptism, it then at length prepares for the remissions of sins, when it is united with confidence in the divine mercy, and with the desire of performing the other things which are required for rightly receiving this sacrament. Wherefore the Holy Synod declares, that **this contrition contains not only a cessation from sin, and the purpose and the beginning of a new life, but also a hatred of the old, agreeably to that saying, “Cast away from you all your iniquities, wherein you have transgressed, and make to yourselves a new heart and a new spirit.” ** And assuredly he who has considered those cries of the saints, “To thee only have I sinned, and have done evil before thee, I have laboured in my groaning, every night I will wash my bed, I will recount to thee all my years, in the bitterness of my soul,” and others of this kind, will easily understand that they flowed from a certain vehement hatred of their past life, and from an exceeding detestation of sins. The Synod teaches moreover, that, although it sometimes happen that this contrition is perfect through charity, and reconciles man with God before this sacrament be actually received, the said reconciliation, nevertheless, is not to be ascribed to that contrition, independently of the desire of the sacrament which is included therein. And as to that imperfect contrition, which is called attrition, because that it is commonly conceived either from the consideration of the turpitude of sin, or from the fear of hell and of punishment. It declares that if, with the hope of pardon, it exclude the wish to sin, it not only does not make a man a hypocrite, and a greater sinner, but that it is even a gift of God, and an impulse of the Holy Ghost, - Who does not indeed as yet dwell in the penitent, but only moves him, - whereby the penitent being assisted prepares a way for himself unto justice. And although this (attrition) cannot of itself, without the sacrament of penance, conduct the sinner to justification, yet does it dispose him to obtain the grace of God in the sacrament of Penance. For, smitten profitably with this fear, the Ninivites, at the preaching of Jonas, did fearful penance and obtained mercy from the Lord. Wherefore falsely do some calumniate Catholic writers, as if they had maintained that the sacrament of Penance confers grace without any good motion on the part of those who receive it: a thing which the Church of God never taught, or thought: and falsely also do they assert that contrition is extorted and forced, not free and voluntary.
– Nicole
 

The grace of perfect contrition yes is possible.​

Perfect contrition does not = perfect love. Two different concepts.

Remember too that Perfect Contrition does not need to be “perfect in intensity”…and is not so much about “emotions”.

Also Perfect Contrition can coexist with other lesser motives.
 
Council of Trent. Session 14:

with the purpose of not sinning for the future…

– Nicole
would a confession without this condition be valid. How can one with habitual sin truly mean this.For now i am struggling with the question “do i have a firm purpose not to sin?”.
 
would a confession without this condition be valid. How can one with habitual sin truly mean this.For now i am struggling with the question “do i have a firm purpose not to sin?”.
Of course, a confession without a firm resolution to sin no more, is not valid. However, do not assume that you did not have a firm resolution during your last confession just because you’ve committed the same sin again. Your committing the same sin again and again is a sign of your weakness, not a sign of dishonesty. And our Lord, who encouraged us to forgive those who offend us not seven times but seventy times seven times, understands our weakness. So, as long as you are not actually planning to commit the same sin again, then you have a resolution to sin no more. But is it a firm resolution if you have a habitual sin? Absolutely speaking, no. But subjectively, it is as firm as you could make it (given your condition as a person who is trying to eradicate a bad habit), and that is all that our Lord requires.
 
Dear Yablabo,

Thank you for that quote from the Council of Trent. Contrition indeed is a sorrow for sin. Now, the word “sorrow” connotes the idea of hatred or detestation of sin. However, what was so significant about your quotation, and which you highlighted in bold letters, is the fact that this contrition is not effective in reconciling the sinner to God without an accompanying resolution to receive the sacrament of penance also. Therefore, to be effective in reconciling the sinner to God, the sinner must not only have sorrow for sin, but also resolve to go to confession and receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Thank you very much for bringing that up!

When I was a little boy I memorized an Act of Contrition prayer that goes like this: “O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee. And I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell. But most of all because I have offended Thee, my God, who art my all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Amen.”

I still use this prayer, not only when I go to confession, but whenever I make the Act of Contrition.

Then, when my children went to CCD, this is the Act of Contrition that they were made to memorize: “My God, I am sorry for my sins with all my heart. In choosing to do wrong and failing to do good, I have sinned against you whom I should love above all things. I firmly intend, with your help, to do penance, to sin no more, and to avoid whatever leads me to sin.” Didn’t you notice that the phrase “to confess my sins” was removed? It was one of the first things I noticed, so I instructed my children to use the old prayer.

I just wonder why “to confess my sins” was removed from the new Act. Could this be one of the reasons why, after Vatican II, people are no longer going to confession frequently? Because from childhood these kids do not have that in mind whenever they make their Act of Contrition?

Hmmm … Just wondering.
 
would a confession without this condition be valid. How can one with habitual sin truly mean this.For now i am struggling with the question “do i have a firm purpose not to sin?”.
fbl9,

Contrition is part of the “matter” of the Sacrament of Penance. There are four conditions which go to make up a valid sacrament (some only subdivide them into three conditions) which are the form, the matter, the minister, and the correct intent. The matter of the Sacrament of Penance is what the penitent provides: contrition, confession and satisfaction. If the penitent does not provide these, the sacrament is invalid. However, imperfect contrition, called attrition, does suffice to make the sacrament valid; it doesn’t always have to be perfect contrition.

This following is from the 14th Session of the Council of Trent:
Chapter III.
On the Parts, and on the Fruit of this Sacrament.
The Holy Synod doth furthermore teach, that the form of the sacrament of Penance, wherein its force principally consists, is placed in those words of the minister, “I absolve thee,”: to which words indeed certain prayers are, according to the custom of Holy Church, laudably joined, which nevertheless by no means regard the essence of that form, neither are they necessary for the administration of the sacrament itself. But the acts of the penitent himself, to wit, contrition, confession and satisfaction, are as it were the matter of this sacrament. Which acts, inasmuch as they are, by God’s institution, required in the penitent for the integrity of the sacrament, and for the full and perfect remission of sins, are for this reason called the parts of Penance. But the thing signified indeed and the effect of this sacrament, as far as regards its force and efficacy, is reconciliation with God, which sometimes, in persons who are pious and who receive this sacrament with devotion, is wont to be followed by peace and serenity of conscience, with exceeding consolation of spirit. The Holy Synod, whilst delivering these things touching the parts and the effect of this sacrament, condemns at the same time the opinions of those who contend, that, the terrors which agitate the conscience, and faith, are the parts of Penance.
You would have to discern for yourself whether your “habitual” sin is merely due to a weakened will and lack of pursuing the proper virtue or if it is because you did not repent of your sins and do what was necessary to become contrite. If you do not do what is necessary to safeguard yourself from entering occasions of this sin, then likely you are not approaching the sacrament with either attrition or contrition. If you are safeguarding yourself, but falling into the same sin in new circumstances because you did not previously know they were an occasion of sin, then likely it is merely the weakness from your self-inflicted wound (sin) which is still effecting you. If the latter is the case, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and do what is necessary to reconcile with God. Keep on keeping on :).

Best wishes for you in your search, but for future reference, it’s a great idea to crack open the Ecumenical Councils from First Nicaea on and see what’s in there. 🙂

– Nicole
 
Dear Yablabo,

Thank you for that quote from the Council of Trent. Contrition indeed is a sorrow for sin. Now, the word “sorrow” connotes the idea of hatred or detestation of sin. However, what was so significant about your quotation, and which you highlighted in bold letters, is the fact that this contrition is not effective in reconciling the sinner to God without an accompanying resolution to receive the sacrament of penance also. Therefore, to be effective in reconciling the sinner to God, the sinner must not only have sorrow for sin, but also resolve to go to confession and receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Thank you very much for bringing that up!

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I just wonder why “to confess my sins” was removed from the new Act. Could this be one of the reasons why, after Vatican II, people are no longer going to confession frequently? Because from childhood these kids do not have that in mind whenever they make their Act of Contrition?

Hmmm … Just wondering.
First of all, rom422, you’re welcome for posting a bit of Trent in this thread. I think if more people actually read them, the situation in our Church may be quite a bit different today.

I honestly don’t know why “to confess my sins” would be removed from the Act of Contrition prayer. It may have merely been one of those things which piggy-backed on top of the so-called “reforms” attributed to the Second Vatican Council (which had nothing to do with the Council…haha!).

I know when I went through CCD I was taught a different Act of Contrition, too:

“O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended thee. I detest all of my sins because of thy just punishment, but most of all because they offend thee, my God, Who art all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of thy grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasion of sin. Amen.”

There you can see also is the ommission of the resolve to confess one’s sins, but also the addition of something that is very strange in my eyes: the resolve to “sin no more and to avoid the near occasion of sin.” That’s really a tall order for a seven-year-old to grasp!

I have since amended my use of the prayer I was taught in CCD, in favor of one very similar to the one you mentioned, that points to the need to resolve to confess one’s sins.

– Nicole
 
I have a huge problem with contrition. I resolve not to sin again, but I don’t “hate” or “detest” my sins the way I should. Some of them I look back at with quite a bit of fondness. Like when you look back at some of the crazy things you did in college and think, " Wow! What a night that was! That was awesome!" That is not detesting the sin, but it’s the way I feel and I can’t control that. I can control my future actions, but that is only part of the equation.
 
I have a huge problem with contrition. I resolve not to sin again, but I don’t “hate” or “detest” my sins the way I should. Some of them I look back at with quite a bit of fondness. Like when you look back at some of the crazy things you did in college and think, " Wow! What a night that was! That was awesome!" That is not detesting the sin, but it’s the way I feel and I can’t control that. I can control my future actions, but that is only part of the equation.
Maybe we should make a distinction between the “sin” itself and the “fruit” (or object) of sin. For example, when you steal $500, your sin consists in the act of taking something that does not rightfully belong to you, in spite of knowing that God would be displeased. The fruit of sin is the good that you obtain from your sinful act, which is the $500. Because of your sin, you are now $500 richer.

Whenever we commit a sin, we also desire something good (that is, the “fruit” of sin). Without this good, I doubt whether any sin would ever be committed. And, strictly speaking, there is nothing wrong about desiring the “fruit” of sin, which is good in itself. But when the will desires this good (a created good) more than God Himself, then the act of the will becomes disordered. The act is sinful because now the will turns away from God in favor of a mere creature.

When you become sorry for your sin, you should hate the sin itself. It is not necessary to hate also the fruit of sin. For example, you may continue to desire the $500, but if you are truly sorry, then in the future you want to get it by earning it rather than by stealing it. I used the act of stealing as an example, but the principle applies to other sins, such as sins of impurity. The “fruit” of the sins of impurity is usually the enjoyment of sexual pleasure. But to be sorry of the sins of impurity you do not necessarily have to hate sex itself.

When you look back at some of the crazy things that you did in college, I’m sure you look fondly at the fun and happy times you’ve had (the “fruit” of folly), but you are not looking fondly at foolishness itself.

If you resolve to sin no more because you hate the sin, then your contrition is true. The reason that you have a “huge” problem about your contrition is because you are thinking that your hatred of sin must include a hatred of the fruit of sin, which is not necessarily the case. You may continue to pursue the love of creatures (or created goods) as long as you keep it subordinate to the love that you must have for God alone, who is Goodness itself.
 
Of course, a confession without a firm resolution to sin no more, is not valid. However, do not assume that you did not have a firm resolution during your last confession just because you’ve committed the same sin again. Your committing the same sin again and again is a sign of your weakness, not a sign of dishonesty. And our Lord, who encouraged us to forgive those who offend us not seven times but seventy times seven times, understands our weakness. So, as long as you are not actually planning to commit the same sin again, then you have a resolution to sin no more. But is it a firm resolution if you have a habitual sin? Absolutely speaking, no. But subjectively, it is as firm as you could make it (given your condition as a person who is trying to eradicate a bad habit), and that is all that our Lord requires.
fbl9,

You would have to discern for yourself whether your “habitual” sin is merely due to a weakened will and lack of pursuing the proper virtue or if it is because you did not repent of your sins and do what was necessary to become contrite. If you do not do what is necessary to safeguard yourself from entering occasions of this sin, then likely you are not approaching the sacrament with either attrition or contrition. If you are safeguarding yourself, but falling into the same sin in new circumstances because you did not previously know they were an occasion of sin, then likely it is merely the weakness from your self-inflicted wound (sin) which is still effecting you. If the latter is the case, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and do what is necessary to reconcile with God. Keep on keeping on :).

Best wishes for you in your search, but for future reference, it’s a great idea to crack open the Ecumenical Councils from First Nicaea on and see what’s in there. 🙂

– Nicole
Thanks to the both of yous.
My thoughts;
My now weakened will was caused by me not safe guarding myself, through thinking i could play with fire and not get burned. I could be in the occassion of sin and not be tempted. It worked fro a while, until i was seriously tempted. Then little by little the fence of self control fell apart.
 
Thanks to the both of yous.
My thoughts;
My now weakened will was caused by me not safe guarding myself, through thinking i could play with fire and not get burned. I could be in the occassion of sin and not be tempted. It worked fro a while, until i was seriously tempted. Then little by little the fence of self control fell apart.
OK, so you thought you would be strong, but found out that you were still very weak. Therefore, repent, make a resolution to not play with fire again, and go to confession.

Do not get discouraged, though, or start being scrupulous about the past confessions, as if they were not valid at all. And do not doubt the authenticity of your previous contrition if you have the misfortune of falling again to the same sin. The fact that you are seeking advice, and that you are being bothered by the state of your past contrition, is a sign that you are not being irresponsible, and that you are sincerely trying to eradicate a disease in your soul.

Of course, what Nicole (or Yablabo) said is true, that you must avoid the near occasions of sin, or the things that lead you to sin. I agree with that completely. But remember that you have a bad habit, so that puts you into a different circumstance than those who are not under the influence of a powerful vice. If you have a bad habit, the occasions of sin will come to you even when you are doing your best to avoid them. And because you have a bad habit every temptation is a new struggle, even if it is for the same type of sin. So, pray much and trust in God’s Mercy. You must keep fighting, because giving up is not an option.

God bless!
 
Maybe we should make a distinction between the “sin” itself and the “fruit” (or object) of sin. For example, when you steal $500, your sin consists in the act of taking something that does not rightfully belong to you, in spite of knowing that God would be displeased. The fruit of sin is the good that you obtain from your sinful act, which is the $500. Because of your sin, you are now $500 richer.

Whenever we commit a sin, we also desire something good (that is, the “fruit” of sin). Without this good, I doubt whether any sin would ever be committed. And, strictly speaking, there is nothing wrong about desiring the “fruit” of sin, which is good in itself. But when the will desires this good (a created good) more than God Himself, then the act of the will becomes disordered. The act is sinful because now the will turns away from God in favor of a mere creature.

When you become sorry for your sin, you should hate the sin itself. It is not necessary to hate also the fruit of sin. For example, you may continue to desire the $500, but if you are truly sorry, then in the future you want to get it by earning it rather than by stealing it. I used the act of stealing as an example, but the principle applies to other sins, such as sins of impurity. The “fruit” of the sins of impurity is usually the enjoyment of sexual pleasure. But to be sorry of the sins of impurity you do not necessarily have to hate sex itself.

When you look back at some of the crazy things that you did in college, I’m sure you look fondly at the fun and happy times you’ve had (the “fruit” of folly), but you are not looking fondly at foolishness itself.

If you resolve to sin no more because you hate the sin, then your contrition is true. The reason that you have a “huge” problem about your contrition is because you are thinking that your hatred of sin must include a hatred of the fruit of sin, which is not necessarily the case. You may continue to pursue the love of creatures (or created goods) as long as you keep it subordinate to the love that you must have for God alone, who is Goodness itself.
Thank you for this. It is very helpful. This is definitely where I struggle. I feel like I should “regret” the sin completely-wish I had never done it, which is hard when so many good things can come from sin. Take the example of the woman who has a child out of wedlock. If she truly regretted her sin, she would not have her child. How does one hate the sin sufficiently without wishing that it never happened?

It’s kind of like being sorry you got caught, but not sorry for the action itself. Or like being sorry that what you did hurt God, but not sorry that you did it.

These feelings have often kept me away from confession because I feel like I’m making an invalid one.
 
I feel like I should “regret” the sin completely-wish I had never done it, which is hard when so many good things can come from sin. Take the example of the woman who has a child out of wedlock. If she truly regretted her sin, she would not have her child. How does one hate the sin sufficiently without wishing that it never happened?

It’s kind of like being sorry you got caught, but not sorry for the action itself. Or like being sorry that what you did hurt God, but not sorry that you did it.

These feelings have often kept me away from confession because I feel like I’m making an invalid one.
Susan is A Catholic. In college she begins to reject the Church’s teachings on abortion and other things. She enters on a life of mortal sin …even helping women get abortions. During this time she commits fornication and from that fornication she gets pregnant.

But the realization of the life within her as she sees an ultrasound keeps her from having an abortion . Thus is born her child Amy. Seeing the beauty of the new life she begins to think there is a God and maybe the Church is right. She begins to attend Mass and read Sacred Scripture and she thus encounters Jesus Christ and this changes everything. So she returns to the Church…and goes to confession. In her confession she needs to be contrite for all her mortal sins and be reconciled with God and the Church. She confesses them all and is contrite for all…

She struggles though in the confession …with the fact that her Child came from sin and even her return to the Church came via this and she struggles with her memories that come to her of the “fun times” that she thought were fun then but now she knows she was not having true fun but sinning.

Fr. Peter tells Susan that yes she is to repent of all her mortal sins. But that she cannot always control the feelings that may come to her about them…that she is to not consent to them of course if they come and not intentionally start thinking about them that way etc… but that we have only a *diplomatic *control over emotions not a despotic control. That she can turn her thoughts elsewhere. That she can be contrite in her will even if her emotions cause her problems against her will. He reminds here that even in current temptations – all sorts of “feelings” may draw her…may tempt her against her will …but one can still choose to not consent…to reject the temptation…to not sin …despite the attraction or feelings.

Fr. Peter then tells her to give thanks to God for the gift of her child Amy and bringing her back to himself.

To praise God that he wrote straight with her crooked lines…even with her sins…that where sin abounded Grace has abounded even more!

To affirm often her* yes to Christ *and her rejection of sin and the devil. To renew her commitment of Baptism… her profession of Faith…her following of Christ as a disciple in his Church.
 
Susan is A Catholic. In college she begins to reject the Church’s teachings on abortion and other things. She enters on a life of mortal sin …even helping women get abortions. During this time she commits fornication and from that fornication she gets pregnant.

But the realization of the life within her as she sees an ultrasound keeps her from having an abortion . Thus is born her child Amy. Seeing the beauty of the new life she begins to think there is a God and maybe the Church is right. She begins to attend Mass and read Sacred Scripture and she thus encounters Jesus Christ and this changes everything. So she returns to the Church…and goes to confession. In her confession she needs to be contrite for all her mortal sins and be reconciled with God and the Church. She confesses them all and is contrite for all…

She struggles though in the confession …with the fact that her Child came from sin and even her return to the Church came via this and she struggles with her memories that come to her of the “fun times” that she thought were fun then but now she knows she was not having true fun but sinning.

Fr. Peter tells Susan that yes she is to repent of all her mortal sins. But that she cannot always control the feelings that may come to her about them…that she is to not consent to them of course if they come and not intentionally start thinking about them that way etc… but that we have only a *diplomatic *control over emotions not a despotic control. That she can turn her thoughts elsewhere. That she can be contrite in her will even if her emotions cause her problems against her will. He reminds here that even in current temptations – all sorts of “feelings” may draw her…may tempt her against her will …but one can still choose to not consent…to reject the temptation…to not sin …despite the attraction or feelings.

Fr. Peter then tells her to give thanks to God for the gift of her child Amy and bringing her back to himself.

To praise God that he wrote straight with her crooked lines…even with her sins…that where sin abounded Grace has abounded even more!

To affirm often her* yes to Christ *and her rejection of sin and the devil. To renew her commitment of Baptism… her profession of Faith…her following of Christ as a disciple in his Church.
Hopefully Susan, who would likely be suspect of heresy, examined the likelihood that she had excommunicated herself by heresy (can. 1364) and/or procuring abortions (can. 1398)…because if she did not examine this, and was in fact excommunicated, her confession of sins would not be efficacious, nor would the priest’s absolution.

– Nicole
 
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