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What constitutes perfect contrition? Is it a feeling? Or simply an act of the will? Or a combination of both?
See my posts above. While such is good -such is not per se a description of PC.I think its supernatural sorrow, having experienced it myself. You are brought to a point of nothingness due to your sinful state and are immensely sorrowful due to falling out of grace and having offended God, who is worthy of all love and reverence to. You undoubtedly cry, are brought to a point of excessive tears. It’s just kind of like, super-sorrow, out of love for God. It’s redemptive.It fixes your heart through sorrow. And leads to being brought back into God’s favor.
I have worn the same shoes, Hakop. The sorrow for offending God is immense! With it comes a resolve never to sin again, and to go quickly to the sacraments. I like the gospel account of the woman who wiped Jesus’ feet with her tears of sorrow. Jesus commended her to such a high degree when He stated, “Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” Awesome!I think its supernatural sorrow, having experienced it myself. You are brought to a point of nothingness due to your sinful state and are immensely sorrowful due to falling out of grace and having offended God, who is worthy of all love and reverence to. You undoubtedly cry, are brought to a point of excessive tears. It’s just kind of like, super-sorrow, out of love for God. It’s redemptive.It fixes your heart through sorrow. And leads to being brought back into God’s favor.
So you would say that if a person has perfect contrition, then they will never commit that sin again? I’m trying to think of how this case would apply to addicts recovering from a habitual sin.What is memorable is that I never left Him again with deliberate sin.
I think the emotional sadness produced and especially tears can be a powerful sign that this person received perfect contrition, however its not necessary. Some persons are more emotional than others, and to worry that the contrition wasn’t perfect because of a lack of tears is to invite scruples in the people who fail to cry, and vanity in those who do.You undoubtedly cry, are brought to a point of excessive tears. It’s just kind of like, super-sorrow, out of love for God. It’s redemptive.It fixes your heart through sorrow. And leads to being brought back into God’s favor.
No.So you would say that if a person has perfect contrition, then they will never commit that sin again? I’m trying to think of how this case would apply to addicts recovering from a habitual sin.
Correct.I think the emotional sadness produced and especially tears can be a powerful sign that this person received perfect contrition, however its not necessary. Some persons are more emotional than others, and to worry that the contrition wasn’t perfect because of a lack of tears is to invite scruples in the people who fail to cry, and vanity in those who do.
Though one shouldn’t fall into the trap of thinking that perfect contrition is easy either. It requires a will that motivates itself primarily out of love for God. Thomas Aquinas said that fear of Hell, loathing of sin and sadness for lost merit, while all lesser motives could move a soul towards perfect love, so if we feel these things that shouldn’t stop us from making an act of contrition.Correct.
Contrition need not involve any “feeling”. It is not about feeling in essence but our will and the grace of God. Though feeling contrite is good of course…it is better. But feelings are not under our direct command…
It is important to note that in* by the grace of God.* And remember a person in a state of mortal sin - that person needs to be restored by the grace of God (from outside as it were). Be it in Confession or prior to confession via the grace of perfect contrition. It is not something that we “achieve” from within. For we are not yet in a state of Grace.Though one shouldn’t fall into the trap of thinking that perfect contrition is easy either. It requires a will that motivates itself primarily out of love for God. Thomas Aquinas said that fear of Hell, loathing of sin and sadness for lost merit, while all lesser motives could move a soul towards perfect love, so if we feel these things that shouldn’t stop us from making an act of contrition.
I think if any Catholic is serious about getting rid of their sins, frequently seek the sacraments and prays a lot, God will make it easy for a person to have this kind of contrition.
Its the golden key to heaven, we should all strive to achieve it by God’s grace.
Basically, as I understand it, it comes down to whether you love God for his own sake. If you do that, then when you ask for forgiveness, because you’ve violated God’s great gift He’s given you or fail Him, then you get it.
The downside is that we don’t get a sure external sign that this has happened to reassure us. Some get tears, others peace, all signs that aren’t all that clear in the end. That’s why we have the priest.
No, I’m just saying that was the case with me, that I was horrified at the thought that I might offend this loving God ever again. Perfect contrition is thought to be a “for the moment” sorrow. It suffices for a person on their death bed to die in God’s grace. It also suffices for a person to receive communion if they fully resolve to go to confession at the earliest moment.So you would say that if a person has perfect contrition, then they will never commit that sin again? I’m trying to think of how this case would apply to addicts recovering from a habitual sin.