Perfect Saints?

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I recently heard someone make reference to St. Therese of Liseux having reached perfection by the end of her life. Has anyone else ever heard of a Saint having “reached perfection” before? It kinda surprised me when I first heard it- my first reaction was that Jesus and Mary were the only perfect people- but the more I think about it the more sense it makes, perfection after all is our goal is it not? It wouldn’t mean they were perfect people, they had sinned before, but simply that they had reached a state of grace above sin before they died. In this sense it seems possible, and like a pretty great goal to have. What do you all think?
 
I recently heard someone make reference to St. Therese of Liseux having reached perfection by the end of her life. Has anyone else ever heard of a Saint having “reached perfection” before? It kinda surprised me when I first heard it- my first reaction was that Jesus and Mary were the only perfect people- but the more I think about it the more sense it makes, perfection after all is our goal is it not? It wouldn’t mean they were perfect people, they had sinned before, but simply that they had reached a state of grace above sin before they died. In this sense it seems possible, and like a pretty great goal to have. What do you all think?
By all accounts St Therese was so innocent since she was a small child, suffered so much and died so young that it would be a miracle if she wasn’t perfect! 🙂

I wrote that before I discovered that Mother Marie de Gonzague wrote to the prioress of Tours : “The angelic child is seventeen and a half, with the sense of a 30 year old, the religious perfection of an old and accomplished novice, and possession of herself; she is a perfect nun.”
 
I recently heard someone make reference to St. Therese of Liseux having reached perfection by the end of her life. Has anyone else ever heard of a Saint having “reached perfection” before? It kinda surprised me when I first heard it- my first reaction was that Jesus and Mary were the only perfect people- but the more I think about it the more sense it makes, perfection after all is our goal is it not? It wouldn’t mean they were perfect people, they had sinned before, but simply that they had reached a state of grace above sin before they died. In this sense it seems possible, and like a pretty great goal to have. What do you all think?
I think that it certainly is not only a realistic goal for every sincere Catholic, but it should be how we orient ourselves to the world. The false notion that we “have to” fail actually sets us up to fail - because we believe that perfection is impossible, we don’t even try. When temptations come along, instead of fighting them with everything we’ve got in the knowledge that we can succeed, instead, we fall prey to them without fighting, because “that’s how we’re made” or “I’m only human, after all.”

On a related note, another thing that annoys me is the glorification of past indiscretions, as though people who make horrible mistakes and then convert are somehow “better than” people who come to Jesus in First Holy Communion at the age of seven and then don’t make any serious mistakes from that point forward.

I worry that young people who live good lives see themselves as “boring” and try to remedy the situation by doing something stupid when they hear these kinds of stories glorified over and over again. We need to tell more stories to kids and teenagers about people who managed to make it through life without hurting themselves through sin, and to glorify them, as well.

We also need to tell the “sinner to saint” stories as well, so that those who’ve already fallen into serious sin know that grace awaits them, as well - but we also need to emphasize that it was in stopping to do these things that those people became Saints - not in the doing of them - while at the same time reminding kids that it is quite possible to go through life without ever committing serious sin, and telling the stories of those Saints, as well. 👍
 
I recently heard someone make reference to St. Therese of Liseux having reached perfection by the end of her life. Has anyone else ever heard of a Saint having “reached perfection” before? It kinda surprised me when I first heard it- my first reaction was that Jesus and Mary were the only perfect people- but the more I think about it the more sense it makes, perfection after all is our goal is it not? It wouldn’t mean they were perfect people, they had sinned before, but simply that they had reached a state of grace above sin before they died. In this sense it seems possible, and like a pretty great goal to have. What do you all think?
The Bible says that the Just sins 7 times a day…
 
The Bible says that the Just sins 7 times a day…
Not mortally, I hope. 😉

Little Therese attended Confession once a week, which she would not have done if she had no valid matter for the Confessional (venial sins and imperfections) - but we are told that she had no mortal sins to confess.

We should all aspire to the same, I think. 🙂
 
Well, I would think a lot of people reach that certain state right before they die if they recieve their last rites. I mean that’s confession, communion, and anointing! That’s a whole lotta’ grace! lol
 
I recently heard someone make reference to St. Therese of Liseux having reached perfection by the end of her life. Has anyone else ever heard of a Saint having “reached perfection” before? It kinda surprised me when I first heard it- my first reaction was that Jesus and Mary were the only perfect people- but the more I think about it the more sense it makes, perfection after all is our goal is it not? It wouldn’t mean they were perfect people, they had sinned before, but simply that they had reached a state of grace above sin before they died. In this sense it seems possible, and like a pretty great goal to have. What do you all think?
Ummm by perfection I think that it means “a state of grace”

God bless :byzsoc:

David
 
The key thing here is that perfection is not the same as “sinlessness.” If it were, none of us would attain perfection because we all inherit from Adam a tendency to sin.

So what is “perfection”? Paul says that the bond of perfection is charity. (Col 3:14) When you love someone you want to be united with them. In the case of our relationship with God, we should of course seek to be united to Him in prayer and in Holy Communion, but we should also seek a union of will with God, which is critical to spiritual perfection.

Take an example. Suppose two women work in an office and both are struggling to deal with a guy who is constantly criticizing and belittling everyone. The first woman says, “I know God wants me to have patience here, but there’s only so much a person can take. If he starts attacking me today, I’m really going to give him a piece of my mind.” The second woman says, “I know God wants me to have patience here, and that’s just what I’m going to do.” Later the first woman responds to a verbal attack by lashing out at her brother. The second woman, when attacked, tries to bear it but because of human weakness has a fall and loses her patience. Both are guilty of a sin in the uncharitable words spoken to their brother but only the first has shown a lack of perfection. It was demonstrated when she formed the intention not to do God’s will.

In fact, although it sounds a little strange to say it this way, there can be varying levels of perfection. One person might form the intention to eliminate all sin from his life. But another might try for an even higher level of perfection: to seek to please God in all things, even when there is no question of sin. For example, it’s not a sin to defend yourself when wrongfully accused. But it’s very pleasing to God when, in imitation of Jesus, you remain silent in the face of a false accusation. In The Story of a Soul, St. Thérèse of Lisieux says that she was one day wrongly blamed for a broken jar that had been carelessly left about by another nun. She didn’t answer when scolded but simply promised to be more observant.

If you go far enough in spiritual perfection, you get to the point where you no longer complain about anything. You know that everything that happens in your life is orchestrated by God and permitted by Him–every illness, financial setback, insult hurled your way, etc. All God’s actions are done from a motive of love and mercy and He allows nothing to happen without some good reason. So why complain? Thank Him, bless Him and exalt his Holy Name instead.
 
In fact, although it sounds a little strange to say it this way, there can be varying levels of perfection.
You are right! Only God is absolutely perfect. Our level of perfection is relative to our potential. If we do the very best we can we have attained perfection - but we cannot know what we can do with the help of God’s grace… 🙂

BTW A very warm welcome to the forum - and congratulations on your post. :clapping:
 
Not mortally, I hope. 😉

Little Therese attended Confession once a week, which she would not have done if she had no valid matter for the Confessional (venial sins and imperfections) - but we are told that she had no mortal sins to confess.

We should all aspire to the same, I think. 🙂
I lost my mortal-sin-meter, so I do not distiguish between sins. I let God do that.
Let’s hope to be like the lovely St. Theresa…or better…
 
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