Performing your Penance Required for Sacrament

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There is a popular blog which is purportedly written by a Catholic priest online. The priest runs articles of interest and dispenses advice and instruction for the faithful. He also describes himself as “slavishly” devoted to the truth and to accuracy.

Recently, he ran an article which asserted that the performing of your penance was not required in order to have received the Sacrament these are his words below :

“But this obligation to give and do penances does not affect the validity of the absolution or the efficacy of the sacrament. If the penitent hasn’t done the assigned penance before going to Communion, he is still forgiven and can still go to Communion.”
He repeats his belief that the efficacy of the Sacrament is not effected by the non-performance of your penance.":confused::nope:

In charity, I wrote to this alleged priest in order that he might correct his error, which he might be disseminating to thousands of faithful Catholics, who would then be misinformed and not saying their penances, and then not actually receiving the Sacrament.

He responded to the information I provided with one sentence dismissals (I tried a couple of times) and the instruction, “don’t bother to write back.” When I presented him with irrefutable proof of the truth of what I was saying, he called me a “sock puppet.”

So, I feel compelled to try to correct his erroneous teaching here.

As you may or may not know, there are four things necessary to the valid reception of a Sacrament:
  1. Valid matter: 2. Valid form: 3. Valid intention: 4. Valid mind:
The Matter of the Sacrament of Penance is comprised of three things:

Contrition, Confession to a Priest, Satisfaction (the penance).

If one of these things is missing, the matter is not valid. If the matter is not valid, you have not received a valid Sacrament.

Can. 4. * If anyone denies that for the full and perfect remission of sins **three acts are required on the part of the penitent, constituting as it were the matter of the sacrament of penance, namely, contrition, confession and satisfaction, which are called the three parts of penance; or says that there are only two parts of penance, ***namely, the terrors of a smitten conscience convinced of sin and the faith received from the Gospel or from absolution, by which one believes that his sins are forgiven him through Christ, let him be anathema.

This is from the Council of Trent trosch.org/chu/trent-1.htm
The Constituent Parts of Penance

The Matter

There is nothing that should be better known to the faithful than the matter of this Sacrament; hence they should be taught that Penance differs from the other Sacraments in this that while the matter of the other Sacraments is some thing, whether natural or artificial, the matter, as it were, of the Sacrament of Penance is the acts of the penitent, – namely, contrition, confession and satisfaction, – as has been declared by the council of Trent. Now,in as much as these acts are by divine institution required on the part of the penitent for the integrity of the Sacrament, and for the full and perfect remission of sin, they are called parts of Penance. It is not because they are not the real matter that they are called by the Council the matter as it were, but because they are not of that sort of matter which is applied externally, such, for instance, as water in Baptism and chrism in Confirmation.

As regards the opinion of some who hold that sins themselves are the matter of this Sacrament, it will be found,when carefully examined, that it does not really differ from the explanation already given. Thus we say thatwood which is consumed by fire is the matter of fire. In the same way, sins which are destroyed by Penance may properly be called the matter of Penance.

This is from the Roman Catechism, A Catechism of the Council of Trent for Priests
freecatholicebooks.com/books/catechism_of_trent.pdf

From the same source comes this:

*Necessity Of These Integral Parts

The reason why these are the integral parts may be thus explained. Sins against God are committed by thought, by word and by deed. It is, then, but reasonable, that in recurring to the power of the keys we should endeavour to appease God’s wrath, and obtain pardon for our sins by means of the very same things which we employed to offend His sovereignty*

And also from the same source comes this:

It is also in keeping with the divine mercy not to remit our sins without any satisfaction.

I hope this convinces you that performing your penance is absolutely required in order to have received the Sacrament, and for the forgiveness of your sins.

I hope is also convinces you of the necessity of wariness when using the Internet for religious instruction, and most especially when it comes to blogs and message boards.

Information needs to be carefully verified, even when it comes from a person who claims to have a title or a degree that connotes authority or expertise.

I usually try to find several sources that agree, and that aren’t just an exact copy of the same thing repeated on different sites.

Anyway, this is exactly what I was taught many years ago by the nuns in Catholic School. But, it seems like many people weren’t so lucky. My husband also remembers being taught this same thing.
Absolution is NOT conditional upon the penance being done.
 
While a penance IS to be given and received (and not rejected!)…and IS to be done…

Absolution absolves the sins then and there --at the time of absolution the person is restored to grace …is again in true life. The person may go to Communion prior to doing the penance. The person intends to do the penance.

As our brother (in the Biblical sense in case he is a she) above notes the CCC states clearly:

1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

It is not saying that they need never to their penance…of course they are to do so…but they can go to Communion prior to such.
 
Saint Gobban, I am starting to enjoy your posts. You are like a rad trad gone rogue. 😃

But seriously, I don’t have a lot of experience with confession, but I know for my first confession, the priest stressed that I should do my penance, “whenever you get a chance”.

He said this twice.

It so happens I did it right away as it was simply one “Our Father”, but I’m sure if I waited till I got home, I was still absolved.
 
I don’t want to keep going over and over what I’ve already written.

Those who actually WANT to know what the Church has always taught about the Sacrament of Penance can find that information in the links I provided.

Just in summary, there are 4 things necessary to receive a Sacrament.

One of 4 things is Valid Matter.

In Baptism, this would be the water.

In Confession, there are three: Contrition, Confession to a priest, Satisfaction.

Satisfaction refers to the Penance.

If one of these things is missing, you have NOT received the Sacrament.

It did not take place. It is invalid. Improper matter invalidates the Sacrament.

Just as a priest can say the words of Baptism over an infant, if he isn’t pouring the water, the child is not Baptised. This is EXACTLY the same thing. IMPROPER MATTER, NO SACRAMENT.

In Confession, the priest can give his absolution, but if the penitent did not perform his Penance, there is no Sacrament. It did not happen.

This is clearly explained in the areas I have copied from the Council of Trent and from the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

This is a quote from the Catechism: ** “It is also in keeping with the divine mercy not to remit our sins without any satisfaction.”**

I have printed it above.

No one is in any way questioning, or debating, whether there will be remaining punishment due to your sins after making a good Confession, including performing the penance that the priest gives you.

In fact, the teaching has always been that there will be punishment in the afterlife, in Purgatory, for both mortal and venial sins that were forgiven in the Sacrament of Confession. One of the ways to avoid more suffering in Purgatory is to do additional penance in this world. Additional, self imposed penance above the penance the priest gives in Confession will help to remit some of the punishment that we will have to face in the next world.
 
While a penance IS to be given and received (and not rejected!)…and IS to be done…

Absolution absolves the sins then and there --at the time of absolution the person is restored to grace …is again in true life. The person may go to Communion prior to doing the penance. The person intends to do the penance.

As our brother (in the Biblical sense in case he is a she) above notes the CCC states clearly:

1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

It is not saying that they need never to their penance…of course they are to do so…but they can go to Communion prior to such.
I think that you are misinterpreting what this sentence means. One can go to Confession but be denied absolution. There are sins that a priest can not absolve. Certain sins can only be absolved by a Bishop, and some sins can only be absolved by the Pope.
So one could make their Confession and NOT receive absolution. What this sentence does say is that the Sacrament of Penance is required before Communion if you are not in a state of grace.

Please note my above post, which simply repeats everything in my original post, and everything you will find in the Council of Trent. There is NO VALID SACRAMENT IMPARTED WITHOUT PERFORMING YOUR PENANCE. NO PENANCE, NO SACRAMENT, NO COMMUNION. Honestly, you can just read the quoted passages in my post and it is absolutely clear and inarguable. I’m not understanding how YOU aren’t understanding.
 
SaintGobban,

Do the words of absolution remit eternal punishment for sin, provided that the penitent confesses in number and kind all known mortal sins and has true contrition?

VC
 
SaintGobban – what is your beef with FATHER Zuhlsdorf? He IS a priest you know. So you can stop saying “alleged” and sideways casting dispersion about him. Simply because YOU don’t agree with the CORRECT answer he has provided, does not give you the right to make him sound like some internet impostor. It is extremely rude and disrespectful.

You can disagree with him, but you still owe him, and his office of priest, a bit more respect.

~Liza
 
SaintGobban,

Do the words of absolution remit eternal punishment for sin, provided that the penitent confesses in number and kind all known mortal sins and has true contrition?

VC
No. They do not, not if the penitent does not do their penance.
 
SaintGobban,

Do the words of absolution remit eternal punishment for sin, provided that the penitent confesses in number and kind all known mortal sins and has true contrition?

VC
No. They do not, not if the penitent does not do their penance.

This would not apply at the time of death.
 
I think that you are misinterpreting what this sentence means. One can go to Confession but be denied absolution. There are sins that a priest can not absolve. Certain sins can only be absolved by a Bishop, and some sins can only be absolved by the Pope.
So one could make their Confession and NOT receive absolution. What this sentence does say is that the Sacrament of Penance is required before Communion if you are not in a state of grace.

Please note my above post, which simply repeats everything in my original post, and everything you will find in the Council of Trent. There is NO VALID SACRAMENT IMPARTED WITHOUT PERFORMING YOUR PENANCE. NO PENANCE, NO SACRAMENT, NO COMMUNION. Honestly, you can just read the quoted passages in my post and it is absolutely clear and inarguable. I’m not understanding how YOU aren’t understanding.
The sentence in the Catechism referred it means exactly what I noted it means. It is not speaking of reserved sins.

Your understanding of how the Sacrament of Penance works here is not that of the Catholic Church. Your misreading things here.

Documents of the Church are not for private interpretation. They are to be understood as the Magisterium of the Church understands them.

It is understood in the Catholic Church that one is absolved of ones sins at the moment of absolution. Yes one is to receive the penance and do it later. But absolution removes the mortal sins etc (unless say for example the person is not repentant …) there and then. And the person is now among the “living”. (indeed having now true life!).

They may receive the Sacraments of the Living such as Holy Communion. Prior to the doing of the penance. For the penance has been imposed and received.

This is not something new. You are simply misunderstanding some things here.

In my studies of the Sacraments at University as part of my degree in Theology --my professor actually took me aside when he saw me in the hallway after the exam with joy and praise that I had not even one answer incorrect…
 
The problem here is that there’s two different issues at hand.

SaintGobban is saying that the process of reconciliation is not one-hundred percent complete until the penance is performed. This is true.

At the same time, as many other posters have noted, penance does NOT have to be done immediately to make oneself disposed to receive the Eucharist. While the penance should be done as soon as feasibly possible (a bit redundant? idc), if it is one’s intention to receive the Eucharist shortly after absolution is received, and there is no time to complete the penance before reception, then one may receive the Eucharist first. This is also true.

While one MUST and is REQUIRED by Canon Law to perform the penance assigned by the priest, oneself is in a state of grace at the moment of absolution, and is therefore disposed to receive the Eucharist, as long as one makes it a point to do the penance as soon as possible.
 
Catechism 1459:

Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused.62 Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must “make satisfaction for” or “expiate” his sins. This satisfaction is also called “penance.”
 
There is a popular blog which is purportedly written by a Catholic priest online. The priest runs articles of interest and dispenses advice and instruction for the faithful. He also describes himself as “slavishly” devoted to the truth and to accuracy.

Recently, he ran an article which asserted that the performing of your penance was not required in order to have received the Sacrament these are his words below :

“But this obligation to give and do penances does not affect the validity of the absolution or the efficacy of the sacrament. If the penitent hasn’t done the assigned penance before going to Communion, he is still forgiven and can still go to Communion.”
He repeats his belief that the efficacy of the Sacrament is not effected by the non-performance of your penance.":confused::nope:

In charity, I wrote to this alleged priest in order that he might correct his error, which he might be disseminating to thousands of faithful Catholics, who would then be misinformed and not saying their penances, and then not actually receiving the Sacrament.

He responded to the information I provided with one sentence dismissals (I tried a couple of times) and the instruction, “don’t bother to write back.” When I presented him with irrefutable proof of the truth of what I was saying, he called me a “sock puppet.”

So, I feel compelled to try to correct his erroneous teaching here.

As you may or may not know, there are four things necessary to the valid reception of a Sacrament:
  1. Valid matter: 2. Valid form: 3. Valid intention: 4. Valid mind:
The Matter of the Sacrament of Penance is comprised of three things:

Contrition, Confession to a Priest, Satisfaction (the penance).

If one of these things is missing, the matter is not valid. If the matter is not valid, you have not received a valid Sacrament.

Can. 4. * If anyone denies that for the full and perfect remission of sins **three acts are required on the part of the penitent, constituting as it were the matter of the sacrament of penance, namely, contrition, confession and satisfaction, which are called the three parts of penance; or says that there are only two parts of penance, ***namely, the terrors of a smitten conscience convinced of sin and the faith received from the Gospel or from absolution, by which one believes that his sins are forgiven him through Christ, let him be anathema.

This is from the Council of Trent trosch.org/chu/trent-1.htm
The Constituent Parts of Penance

The Matter

There is nothing that should be better known to the faithful than the matter of this Sacrament; hence they should be taught that Penance differs from the other Sacraments in this that while the matter of the other Sacraments is some thing, whether natural or artificial, the matter, as it were, of the Sacrament of Penance is the acts of the penitent, – namely, contrition, confession and satisfaction, – as has been declared by the council of Trent. Now,in as much as these acts are by divine institution required on the part of the penitent for the integrity of the Sacrament, and for the full and perfect remission of sin, they are called parts of Penance. It is not because they are not the real matter that they are called by the Council the matter as it were, but because they are not of that sort of matter which is applied externally, such, for instance, as water in Baptism and chrism in Confirmation.

As regards the opinion of some who hold that sins themselves are the matter of this Sacrament, it will be found,when carefully examined, that it does not really differ from the explanation already given. Thus we say thatwood which is consumed by fire is the matter of fire. In the same way, sins which are destroyed by Penance may properly be called the matter of Penance.

This is from the Roman Catechism, A Catechism of the Council of Trent for Priests
freecatholicebooks.com/books/catechism_of_trent.pdf

From the same source comes this:

*Necessity Of These Integral Parts

The reason why these are the integral parts may be thus explained. Sins against God are committed by thought, by word and by deed. It is, then, but reasonable, that in recurring to the power of the keys we should endeavour to appease God’s wrath, and obtain pardon for our sins by means of the very same things which we employed to offend His sovereignty*

And also from the same source comes this:

It is also in keeping with the divine mercy not to remit our sins without any satisfaction.

I hope this convinces you that performing your penance is absolutely required in order to have received the Sacrament, and for the forgiveness of your sins.

I hope is also convinces you of the necessity of wariness when using the Internet for religious instruction, and most especially when it comes to blogs and message boards.

Information needs to be carefully verified, even when it comes from a person who claims to have a title or a degree that connotes authority or expertise.

I usually try to find several sources that agree, and that aren’t just an exact copy of the same thing repeated on different sites.

Anyway, this is exactly what I was taught many years ago by the nuns in Catholic School. But, it seems like many people weren’t so lucky. My husband also remembers being taught this same thing.
You have to have the intention of performing the penance but you do not have to actually perform the penance. I suspect that is what Fr Z was saying. So if someone forgot to perform their penance or was prevented from doing it this would not invalidate their penance.
 
On occassion I’ve had priest give me instructions that are “aspirational” in nature and are not a “penance” such as ten “Our Fathers”. I really have no idea if I succeeded in achieving the aspirational mandate.

I am sure that if someone said, “No way I ain’t gonna do as instructed”. That would likely be a sin that should be confessed at the next go-round.
 
In case anyone still believes that a penance has to be completed before an absolution takes effect and brings a person into a state of grace - there is a thread in the Traditional Forum at the moment, ‘Asking a priest’s forgiveness’, where someone talks of being given a lifelong penance of praying to the Holy Spirit every day.

So according to the OP’s thinking, they wouldn’t be able to receive Holy Communion for the rest of their life.

Hmmm… not very likely.
 
In case anyone still believes that a penance has to be completed before an absolution takes effect and brings a person into a state of grace - there is a thread in the Traditional Forum at the moment, ‘Asking a priest’s forgiveness’, where someone talks of being given a lifelong penance of praying to the Holy Spirit every day.

So according to the OP’s thinking, they wouldn’t be able to receive Holy Communion for the rest of their life.

Hmmm… not very likely.
The OP is plain wrong.
 
In case anyone still believes that a penance has to be completed before an absolution takes effect and brings a person into a state of grace - there is a thread in the Traditional Forum at the moment, ‘Asking a priest’s forgiveness’, where someone talks of being given a lifelong penance of praying to the Holy Spirit every day.

So according to the OP’s thinking, they wouldn’t be able to receive Holy Communion for the rest of their life.

Hmmm… not very likely.
Not very likely, indeed. Priests do not give life long penances.

The priest is instructed to make the penance reasonable and proportionate. Most penances consist of saying a few prayers. The longest penances may be a few Rosaries.

I think that this person, if there is any truth to their claims whatsoever, mistook the priests **suggestion **that the person pray daily to the Holy Ghost for a penance.

Penances are not lifelong events.

If you do not think your penance is appropriate in some way, and in this permissive day and age if it IS inappropriate, it is usually for reasons of incomprehensibility, then you are permitted to ask for a different penance that you can understand and complete in a reasonable amount of time.

This has already been covered.

I don’t make the rules, I just report them, accurately.
The Council of Trent clearly spells out exactly what I am saying.
What is your sources???
 
On occassion I’ve had priest give me instructions that are “aspirational” in nature and are not a “penance” such as ten “Our Fathers”. I really have no idea if I succeeded in achieving the aspirational mandate.

I am sure that if someone said, “No way I ain’t gonna do as instructed”. That would likely be a sin that should be confessed at the next go-round.
As per the above: why would you say, “No way I ain’t gonna do as instructed”?

Just ask for a different penance that would be easier to understand an complete.

You’ll get one.

I have done it many times and other people that I know have also. There has never been a problem at all.
 
You have to have the intention of performing the penance but you do not have to actually perform the penance. I suspect that is what Fr Z was saying. So if someone forgot to perform their penance or was prevented from doing it this would not invalidate their penance.
We’ve already covered “forgetting” to say your penance earlier in the thread.

If you “forget” your penance then you are not demonstrating adequate contrition for your sins, so now you are missing two of the necessary “matter” for a valid Sacrament, contrition and penance.

It doesn’t really matter what someone on the internet claims.

The link is to two documents: The written record of the Council of Trent, and the Catechism for the Council of Trent.

I believe they trump the opinion of anyone online who states something contrary.
 
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