"Pericope Adulterae" - Authentic or Not?

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Hi. I want to know if the “Pericope Adulterae”, sometimes seen in John, sometimes in Luke, is authentic or not.
By “authentic” I mean, not if the authors really wrote it or not, because we know they didn’t (or maybe Luke did?), I mean did it really happen?
 
Hi. I want to know if the “Pericope Adulterae”, sometimes seen in John, sometimes in Luke, is authentic or not.
By “authentic” I mean, not if the authors really wrote it or not, because we know they didn’t (or maybe Luke did?), I mean did it really happen?
Not understanding what you are referring to.🤷
 
Not understanding what you are referring to.🤷
This referring to the story in Scripture where Jesus tells the crowd that he who is without sin can cast the first stone at the adulteress.
 
Hi. I want to know if the “Pericope Adulterae”, sometimes seen in John, sometimes in Luke, is authentic or not.
By “authentic” I mean, not if the authors really wrote it or not, because we know they didn’t (or maybe Luke did?), I mean did it really happen?
Authentic, as in really happened? Maybe, maybr not, But I think it backs up Mathew 7:1-5, about judging other people, either do not judge or be very careful with our judging.
 
The Church considers it canonical and in its proper place in John 8. She remains silent on its actual authorship and its textual criticism, rightly leaving that to Scripture scholars.
 
Believing in divine inspiration does not require that this story be an original part of John. Most scholars believe it is an authentic story that was added later.

Believing in divine inspiration just means believing that the Bible as we have it today is divinely inspired. It does not matter who wrote different parts of it, or when.
 
Partial excerpt from commentary on Mt 7:1
In the Sayings Source this statement immediately followed the section on loving enemies, which was meant as a universal principle, and it is to be understood on the basis of that text. With Jesus we find not only a completely non-judgmental fellowship that included outcasts such as sinners and tax collectors but also a remarkable indifference to God’s law as it was known in Israel, an indifference one sees in the story of the adulteress (John 7:53–8:11) or indirectly in Jesus’ almost total lack of interest in the halakah. Everything supports the idea that Jesus speaks here of something very basic that, like the love of one’s enemy and non-violence, may well be associated with the coming of the kingdom of God. Although the admonition is directed primarily to the individual, Jesus “does not make a distinction between private judgment and the activity of a judge.”*
  • Strecker, Sermon, 144
Luz, Ulrich (2007). Matthew 1–7: A commentary on Matthew 1–7 (H. Koester, Ed.) (Revised edition). Hermeneia—a Critical and Historical Commentary on the Bible (p. 351). Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press.
I think it backs up Mathew 7:1-5, about judging other people, either do not judge or be very careful with our judging.
 
If it is not an authentic/historical occurance in the life of Jesus of Nazareth, it embodies the compassion and mercy he had for those on the margin of society. In other words “if it’s not true…it should be.”🙂

Christianity would be “poorer” without the story.
 
Hi. I want to know if the “Pericope Adulterae”, sometimes seen in John, sometimes in Luke, is authentic or not.
By “authentic” I mean, not if the authors really wrote it or not, because we know they didn’t (or maybe Luke did?), I mean did it really happen?
Since it’s been received by the Church historically, I accept it as authoritative.

Given Church teaching on the Gospels in general, I’d be strongly inclined toward accepting its historicity unless there were very good reasons not to. I suppose one could argue that it’s a special case, even if one accepts its theological authority based on the tradition of reception by the Church.

I don’t see a lot of obstacles to accepting it–in fact, some hold it up as an excellent example of the sort of thing that is very unlikely to have been made up. (C. S. Lewis used it, as well as some other episodes from John–without dealing with the textual problems of this episode’s inclusion in John–to argue that either John is essentially accurate or it’s a remarkable anticipation of modern realistic fiction.) The writing on the ground, for instance, is never explained–it’s a weird act that isn’t given any explicit theological interpretation, although it does have some pretty strong symbolic resonance, as medieval and patristic interpretation shows (arguably it’s a kind of “Jesus as new Moses” moment–Jesus writes with his finger in the dust, showing that he has authority over the law given to Moses by the finger of God).

I certainly don’t agree with those liberal scholars who construct a “historical Jesus” made up only of those aspects of the Gospels that seem shocking or embarrassing by the standards of first-century religious sensibilities. But the problem with that approach is what it excludes, not what it includes. It seems pretty odd to me that early Christians, given their tendencies toward moral rigorism, would have told this kind of a story about Jesus unless they had really good reason to believe that it actually happened!

Edwin
 
Since it’s been received by the Church historically, I accept it as authoritative.

Given Church teaching on the Gospels in general, I’d be strongly inclined toward accepting its historicity unless there were very good reasons not to. I suppose one could argue that it’s a special case, even if one accepts its theological authority based on the tradition of reception by the Church.

I don’t see a lot of obstacles to accepting it–in fact, some hold it up as an excellent example of the sort of thing that is very unlikely to have been made up. (C. S. Lewis used it, as well as some other episodes from John–without dealing with the textual problems of this episode’s inclusion in John–to argue that either John is essentially accurate or it’s a remarkable anticipation of modern realistic fiction.) The writing on the ground, for instance, is never explained–it’s a weird act that isn’t given any explicit theological interpretation, although it does have some pretty strong symbolic resonance, as medieval and patristic interpretation shows (arguably it’s a kind of “Jesus as new Moses” moment–Jesus writes with his finger in the dust, showing that he has authority over the law given to Moses by the finger of God).

I certainly don’t agree with those liberal scholars who construct a “historical Jesus” made up only of those aspects of the Gospels that seem shocking or embarrassing by the standards of first-century religious sensibilities. But the problem with that approach is what it excludes, not what it includes. It seems pretty odd to me that early Christians, given their tendencies toward moral rigorism, would have told this kind of a story about Jesus unless they had really good reason to believe that it actually happened!

Edwin
The early church fathers quote a story of Jesus and a “woman of many sins” without going into further detail. It has been speculated that she is the woman referenced in the “pericope adulterae”. Either way, the event has been transmitted orally for generations, and it’s possible that it was recorded in some of the Gospels that didn’t survive, and there is a very strong chance that it really happened. Even if John or Luke didn’t write it, the church fathers found that event too important not to be included in the Gospels 🙂
 
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Believing in divine inspiration does not require that this story be an original part of John. Most scholars believe it is an authentic story that was added later.

Believing in divine inspiration just means believing that the Bible as we have it today is divinely inspired. It does not matter who wrote different parts of it, or when.
A modification on this, in terms of “when”. I believe there is an acceptable timeframe for scriptural canonicity after which nothing will be added; I’m not sure when, it could be whenever Augustine said it was closed and held related counsels, or it could be 1546 when the books were specifically enumerated, I don’t know.
 
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