Perpetual Adoration, shorts, miniskirts, flipflops

[maryjk]

Can you show me that the Church refuted, rejected, or superceded the instruction by the Cardinal Vicar? Has the church refuted, rejected or condemned what Fr. Dominic Mary said on EWTN? Has the Church rejected and censored the priests at the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament in Hanceville, Alabama, who instituted a similar dress code to that enforced at the Vatican, and preached by Fr. Dominic Mary?

The answer is NO. None of those instructions and teachings were rejected or changed by the Church. Consequently, those instructions and teachings are still valid and in effect.

Can you show me that anyone from “the Church” even heard what Father Dominic Mary said? You might find him to be the bestest preacher ever, but my priest and bishop have never quoted him.

And the local bishops reject the instruction by the Cardinal Vicar when they don’t enforce his “rules.” Sorry, once again let me say, yes, those are the rules for the Vatican. They are not the rules for any local parish that I have attended. I have NEVER seen modesty rules posted. I have certainly never seen rules posted that prohibit a skirt that is one inch above the knee or a shirt that is more than 2 fingers below the collar bone.

 

[johnnyjones]

I’d imagine it’s to cut down on tour groups being trailed round St. Peter’s before they go for an ice-cream in a cafe and on to the next ‘must-see while we’re ‘doing’ Rome.’

In other words, to try and keep a little reverence in St. Peter’s, because if tour groups have to stop and think how they are dressed before they enter, it might deter those who are just going in to gawp.

I was being facetious but yes, for reverence. Point being , if the Vatican sees certain modes of dress as a requirement before entering St Peters, might it apply at your local church where the same blessed sacrament is present.

 

[DlandFan06]

Here’s what you might be looking for:

Standards of Modesty in Dress
Imprimatur dated Sept. 24, 1956
“A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper.”
The Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XII
p.s. About that quote - in the book it is noted that "short sleeves were also permitted as a temporary concession, with ecclesiastical approval, because of “impossible market conditions.”

I will post more instructions, directly from our Popes, later.

But generally, there’s not even a need for the Pope to intervene. In the “resource thread” - see forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=691207 , I and others posted (and will continue to post) instructions to the same effect, from Catholic Bishops and Priests located throughout the world: Venice, other Italian cities… Knock, Ireland… Croatia, France… USA: Alabama, Texas, California, Louisiana, Washington, Oregon, Virginia, DC, Arkansas… Mexico… several cities from the Philippines… Sri Lanka, Malaysia… Brisbane, Australia…

If you are located in Papua-New Guinea, your case might be an exception… your local Bishop might have instituted different norms of modesty.

But if you are located in the USA, in Mexico, in Europe, or the Philippines: our Bishops and Priests have spoken. No shorts for Mass. No skirts above the knees. No bare shoulders.

so by what you’re saying, I should come home before going to 5:00 pm mass and change? What about 8:00 pm mass? I don’t see a problem with shorts or jeans or short sleeves as long as they are modest and clean.

 

[DebChris]

I was unable to find a website that I discovered before regarding the Jewish view of modesty. If I remember correctly, the recommendation was a neckline 3 inches (not 2) below the neckline. It also encouraged women to maintain the level of modesty to which they were accustomed even when moving to an area where the standards were less strict.
I did find the concept of tzniut which points to what I had been wanting to say. Modesty is not always about how much skin is covered or bared. Tziniut(modesty) means knowing and communicating to others that your identity equals your innermost part. Internal beauty is more important than its outward expression. It is about being “attractive,” but not “attracting.” Tzniut shows itself not merely in how we dress, but also in our behavior, speech, and how we carry ourselves.
A person can be modest while wearing shorts, or immodest by intentionally showing the thigh in a long skirt with a slit. I am going to wear shorter shorts while jogging than I would wear shopping or going about daily errands. Wearing shorts should not stop me from attending daily Mass or taking time out of my schedule for Adoration if available. After living in a more conservative society for some time now, I do wear long pants instead of shorts. I wear yoga pants instead of shorts for exercise, although if I were still running I would still probably wear gym shorts. And of course, if I know in advance that I will be attending Mass, it is possible that I will put on a dress or kismeez set for that purpose. When I worked in a distribution center, and attended Mass before work, I did attend in my work clothes (jeans, T-shirt, and work boots).

 

[graceandglory]

Folks, is this now considered acceptable?

Six other people attended with me. Three men were wearing shorts, one woman a miniskirt, and two other women wore shorts. In other words, every single person I met at Perpetual Adoration, wore shorts or miniskirt. Guys also typically wear flipflops and remove those flipflops while sitting inside the chapel.

Does the Church approve of this?

I was at Adoration last night in a dress and flip flops. My feet were killing me and I was there at Midnight. I had a wonderful time with Our Lord.

I was a bit surprised when the next Adorer brought her DOG into Adoration. Wondering if I should mention it to our priest.

 

[graceandglory]

Whenever I see the Blessed Mother, she is always showing her toes.

 

[garn9173]

I was a bit surprised when the next Adorer brought her DOG into Adoration. Wondering if I should mention it to our priest.

Could’ve been a service dog whichi is totally acceptable.

 

[L_piperatus]

so by what you’re saying, I should come home before going to 5:00 pm mass and change? What about 8:00 pm mass? I don’t see a problem with shorts or jeans or short sleeves as long as they are modest and clean.

According to the instructions from Catholic clergy, modest (not too tight, low-riding) jeans and short sleeves are OK. Shorts that do not cover the knees, are not OK for church.

 

[MissRose73]

My aunt is a lector and EMHC. Her husband is an EMHC.

Her church actually gave them a listing of things that ministers are to wear and not wear. They also ask the ministers to show up dressed if they are to serve even if its not their weekend in case they must be called on at the last minute to assist.

Females:

*Dresses and skirts must reach the knees
*Shirts/blouses cannot reveal cleavage, nor be tight or revealing, completely sheer without a modest top underneath them, no spaghetti straps, no strapless, no tank tops.
*Pants are allowed if they are not tight and revealing. Either dress pants or khaki style pants are allowed for females.

Men:

*Khaki or dress pants only
*Golf or polo style or button down shirts - long or short sleeves; ties are optional

Both genders:

*No shorts of any length (not even knee length or capri)
*No logo tees
*No athletic apparel
*No denim
*Business style jackets allowed
*Decent and comfortable dress shoes allowed
*Sweaters that are decent and modest
*Tasteful accessories/jewelry and not to be flashy or outlandish

 

[johnnyjones]

so by what you’re saying, I should come home before going to 5:00 pm mass and change? What about 8:00 pm mass? I don’t see a problem with shorts or jeans or short sleeves as long as they are modest and clean.

Wear whatever you want , who cares what other people think or if it’s distractive.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Wear whatever you want , who cares what other people think or if it’s distractive.

Exactly…because chances are there is always someone who is going to be disrupted that has appointed them the fashion police.

I say clean, neat, and modest.

 

[johnnyjones]

Exactly…because chances are there is always someone who is going to be disrupted that has appointed them the fashion police.

I say clean, neat, and modest.

I guess Vatican clergy are fashion police. Those people at the Vatican shouldn’t tell us what to wear.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

I guess Vatican clergy are fashion police. Those people at the Vatican shouldn’t tell us what to wear.

At the Vatican…yes…but we are not a the Vatican…

I am talking about brother or sister so and so who thinks jeans are terrible…or a bare elbow is immodest and have appointed themselves the fashion police…

 

[johnnyjones]

At the Vatican…yes…but we are not a the Vatican…

I am talking about brother or sister so and so who thinks jeans are terrible…or a bare elbow is immodest and have appointed themselves the fashion police…

Is there different blessed sacrament at the Vatican then at your local church???

Why are not the Vatican personnel “fashion police?”

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Is there different blessed sacrament at the Vatican then at your local church???

Why are not the Vatican personnel “fashion police?”

You missed the point entirely…

Even the Vatican sign looks like it would allow jeans…but not so for some of the self appointed fashion police…

 

[johnnyjones]

You missed the point entirely…

Even the Vatican sign looks like it would allow jeans…but not so for some of the self appointed fashion police…

If someone is saying you can’t wear jeans and I missed that I apologize.

 

[SgtSchultz]

At least the Vatican has a dress code, and for a reason, I’ll stick with that.

Agreed. This should be the norm for all Christian churches, in my opinion.

As for open chapel time in most cities, I have no problem with a man wearing an opaque t-shirt with over-the-shoulder sleeves and at- or below-the-knee shorts is entirely appropriate, assuming the shirt doesn’t have bad language, isn’t political, etc. (kind of like how one should dress in public anyway.) I think that the fact some workers want to come in after working on a job site shows something about their love of God.

N.B., these folks are inappropriately dressed for big tent Christianity. In fact, I believe they are not wearing any clothes at all! This is, of course, immodest – especially in a tent.

Quite

But if you are located in the USA, in Mexico, in Europe, or the Philippines: our Bishops and Priests have spoken. No shorts for Mass. No skirts above the knees. No bare shoulders.

What about Canada? The young woman who gave a short presentation on a pro-life student group at my local church this Sunday was wearing a dress that was slightly above the knee. Everything else about her seemed quite modest, and I’d like to think she was genuine in her convictions and belief.

Brides are asked not to wear clothing that reveals cleavage or is bareback. Shoulders are to be covered and dresses are to be at least knee length. Consider that this is in the Middle East where standards of dress are for the most part more conservative than in the United States or Europe.

This kind of request sounds quite moderate, not at all what I’d consider ‘conservative’. In fact, I think that should be the standard everywhere. As I posted earlier, I was surprised to see the bridal party dressed in low-cut bare back and bare shoulder tops, high skits, showing cleavage, etc. at my local church on Saturday. I’d be shocked to see that in a mass, let alone a wedding, which you’d assume would have at least the same reverence and respect as a mass.

 

[DlandFan06]

Wear whatever you want , who cares what other people think or if it’s distractive.

Well then, i guess i’ll show up in neon. Jk. Lol.

 

[DlandFan06]

Exactly…because chances are there is always someone who is going to be disrupted that has appointed them the fashion police.

I say clean, neat, and modest.

That’s what I wear. Shorts that are clean and a clean t-shirt.

 

[DebChris]

Agreed. This should be the norm for all Christian churches, in my opinion.

As for open chapel time in most cities, I have no problem with a man wearing an opaque t-shirt with over-the-shoulder sleeves and at- or below-the-knee shorts is entirely appropriate, assuming the shirt doesn’t have bad language, isn’t political, etc. (kind of like how one should dress in public anyway.) I think that the fact some workers want to come in after working on a job site shows something about their love of God.

What about Canada? The young woman who gave a short presentation on a pro-life student group at my local church this Sunday was wearing a dress that was slightly above the knee. Everything else about her seemed quite modest, and I’d like to think she was genuine in her convictions and belief.

This kind of request sounds quite moderate, not at all what I’d consider ‘conservative’. In fact, I think that should be the standard everywhere. As I posted earlier, I was surprised to see the bridal party dressed in low-cut bare back and bare shoulder tops, high skits, showing cleavage, etc. at my local church on Saturday. I’d be shocked to see that in a mass, let alone a wedding, which you’d assume would have at least the same reverence and respect as a mass.

I also see this request for wedding wear as a reasonable standard. I do expect a stricter standard for weddings and Sunday Mass than daily Mass or Adoration.
A dress above the knees can be modest. This comes back to the idea of tzniut. Modesty is as much about behavior and carriage as length. T-shirts with bad language, etc. are inappropriate.