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superamazingman
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Miniskirts? Not in adoration, and not outside of adoration either.
But shorts and flip flops is fine in adoration.
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But shorts and flip flops is fine in adoration.
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Mrs_Sally
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These a good guidelines for Mass attendance. Does your parish have a perpetual adoration chapel? I can see enforcing dress rules for periodic Holy Hours, but not for an adoration chapel that is open for folks to drop by at any time. As others have said, people may be called to come in spontaneously. While we should all be modestly dressed, I wouldn’t expect a teenaged boy to always be wearing “smart” trousers.
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Cat
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I would have to leave. Due to physical problems with my feet, I do not go without shoes except in the shower and in bed.
I have left homes where I have been asked to remove my shoes.
I think other elderly people would have the same kind of problems with removing their shoes.
Just because something was once a pious practice does not mean that it is still a pious practice If it means something to someone, then that’s good for them. But that doesn’t mean that the same practice will be good for everyone.
At our Adoration Chapel, which is 24/7, and is well-attended, there are no requirements for removing shoes, and there are no posted dress codes. The only rules posted are rules forbidding photography, and rules asking that quiet and decorum be maintained. Also, there are rules against leaving literature, leaflets, political fliers, etc. that have not been stamped with the approval seal of the pastor.
All kinds of people stop by our Adoration Chapel, including the bishop. We see veiled women in long jumpers and high-top shoes, and we see women wearing short shorts and tiny tanks. We see priests and we see teenaged boys in sports uniforms. We see the rich and the homeless, the healthy and the ill, the old and the young. We see Protestants who have discovered that the Chapel is a quiet place for them to study their Bibles and pray. We see seekers and the devout.
It’s like heaven there.
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Mrs_Sally
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I do not think that the rules that govern dress at the Vatican are automatically applicable at every church and chapel throughout the world. Yes, we should be modest at all times. Men wearing shorts that show their knees is not generally considered immodest in the US. Sleeveless blouses are not generally considered immodest, while tank tops, spagetti straps, or strapless tops more often are.
Just saying that the people there were wearing shorts and flipflops doesn’t really speak to the modesty or inappropriateness of their dress. Especially since none of us saw them.
I recommend you speak to your pastor about this. He is the only person with the authority to make a dress code for the chapel in your parish. Depending on the severity of the problem he may decide not to post Vatican style rules for infrequent lapses or a hot-weather only problem that he knows will go away.
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Cat
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Knees and thighs?!
At least half of the congregation at any of our Masses would have to leave if this was truly a “Church rule” for Mass! And many of those would be elderly! Lots of the older men and women wear shorts or short pants that expose the knees, and many of the older women wear a top that exposes their shoulders.
I think that it is really a big stretch to expect that the rules that govern an international place of worship that is constantly covered by international media and that is visited by the kings and presidents of nations would also apply to an anonymous U.S. parish adoration chapel.
Again, this goes back to subsidiarism. The local governing authority, which in most U.S. cities is their bishop, gets to make the rules about dress code in his places of worship and adoration. It just makes sense–the dress code in a city in Hawaii will be very different from the dress code in Rome or Chicago or Vancouver.
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Annabelle_Marie
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Good advice…I would not expect someone who has a 3:00AM adoration hour to get out of bed…and get all dressed to the nines to go down to adoration. Jesus just wants someone to spend time with him then…
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Dies_Irae_1
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People should dress modestly at mass, at adoration, at work, at school, while shopping, etc. Miniskirts are ALWAYS a no-no. As are short shorts.
Today at adoration (my first time at this particular church) there was a woman who whispered to all the other women for half an hour about church business. She may have continued beyond the half hour (or not) but I left. I wanted to spend time with Jesus, but got that instead.
Today at adoration (my first time at this particular church) there was a woman who whispered to all the other women for half an hour about church business. She may have continued beyond the half hour (or not) but I left. I wanted to spend time with Jesus, but got that instead.
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L_piperatus
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Well, I could quote twenty other priests and bishops from all over the USA, Europe, Mexico, Asia (Philippines, India, Sri Lanka), and Australia, but I just chose to give this handy reference to Fr. Dominic Mary’s sermon on EWTN’s Mass - here’s the quote again from youtube.com/watch?v=PZHECJJbzPM - please see it and hear it for yourself, especially starting at 4:50:
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**One should not come to church dressed in shorts. Miniskirts, swimsuits… tank tops… dresses above the knees… no dresses or skirts that go higher than the knees… bare shoulders… sleeveless shirts… It is disrespectful to our Lord who gave us the virtue of purity and modesty. It is clear that there must be a return to having a holy fear of God, and for his true presence in the Eucharist and for being in His House… **
So, no, shorts and bare shoulders are definitely not OK in church, and it’s not a Vatican exclusive. Shorts and bare shoulders are not OK in Alabama, where Fr. Domonic Mary’s church is located. Shorts and bare shoulders are not OK in Texas, Oregon, Louisiana, or California - I have read articles and instructions by bishops and priests from Texas, Oregon, Louisiana, and California, to this effect. I have read articles and instructions from bishops and priests in Manila and other cities in the Philippines, from India and Sri Lanka, from Knock in Ireland, from a coastal city in Croatia (Europe), from a major city in Australia, and even from a priest in Africa, to this effect. It would take me quite a bit of time to post links to all these articles, but you get the point: because I only posted the sermon of a Catholic priest from Alabama, and made reference to what’s required throughout Vatican City, throughout the churches of Rome, and throughout the churches of Italy (including those that are not major turist attractions!), the same rules of modesty apply also outside of Alabama, and outside of Rome and Italy.
The fact that shorts, dresses and skirts above the knee, and bare shoulders are not appropriate for church, should not even come up - there’s such a wealth of sermons and instructions by our Catholic clergy, available on the internet, against that kind of immodesty. The rules for churches are very clear, and I simply don’t see why should people think that they are allowed to wear shorts, for example in Hawaii or Florida, after we have had our Catholic clergy banning shorts in churches of Rome, Italy, Ireland, France, Croatia, Oregon, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, California, Mexico, India, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Africa, and so on. It would also detract from the thread’s purpose which is to ask whether rules are any different in adoration chapels, compared to churches.
Quoting again Fr. Dominic Mary’s sermon, it seems to me that he would see no difference between a church and an adoration chapel, simply because both are the House of God, and because God’s holy presence in the Eucharist is there, in both cases:
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**It is disrespectful to our Lord who gave us the virtue of purity and modesty. It is clear that there must be a return to having a holy fear of God, and for his true presence in the Eucharist and for being in His House… **
Using this logic, modesty, and coverig onne’s shoulders and knees, would be required because we are in God’s House, and we are in God’s presence in the Eucharist. So, my question still is: after we have clearly established that shorts, skirts above the knees, and exposed shoulders are forbidden for church, could it be that they are nevertheless allowed in the Adoration Chapel which is also God’s House and where we come into God’s holy presence in the Eucharist?
I’m also being reminded of this passage from the Bible - John chapter 21 - quote from vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PXT.HTM :
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When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
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Jesus said to them, “Children, have you caught anything to eat?” They answered him, “No.”
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So he said to them, “Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something.” So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish.
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So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord.” When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea.
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The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish.
The Douay-Rheims Bible translates John 21: 7 as follows - quote from drbo.org/chapter/50021.htm :
[7] That disciple therefore whom Jesus loved, said to Peter: It is the Lord. Simon Peter, when he heard that it was the Lord, girt his coat about him, (for he was naked,) and cast himself into the sea.
Apparently, Peter found it important to put on his coat, not to stay half naked, before he jumped into the sea to go hurry to the shore and meet Jesus. And we think it’s OK to go wearing shorts and bare shoulders, to go meet Jesus in the Eucharist?
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Exorcist
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When I see stuff like what you mentioned I cannot help but believe some dress like that on purpose. I think for some there is actual pleasure in doing that.
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Rejoice_Always
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[x] thread delivers a plethora of CAF-cliches on “appropriate” attire
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] thread does not deliver a plethora of CAF-cliches on “appropriate” attire
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Exorcist
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I found him to be a tad petulant at times. Almost angry.Bravo to Father Dominic of EWTN and his ‘no nonsense’ sermon!He is absolutely one of the most ‘straight-talkin’, no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners’ guys of all the priests down there! If I had been at that Mass, I would have given him a little ‘thumbs-up’ and gone into the sacristy afterwards to give him a big ‘THANK YOU’!
I’m also glad that the FSSP parish had guidelines for what to wear (and what NOT to wear) at Mass for the summer months! Bravo to them, too!
I go to an Adoration chapel, and I know that a few times there was either a sign posted on the door or on the bulletin board (it’s inside the parish rectory) requesting that adorers dress appropriately while before Our Lord’s presence. But many a time there are people who ‘pop in’ for a brief visit while going about their daily routines, and are not dressed appropriately.
I certainly won’t give anyone the ‘evil eye’ if that happens. But I know a few times I have leaned over to whisper to the ‘offender’ that they shouldn’t dress the way they are if they’re going to be in the chapel.
The chapel I go to for the TLM has a dress code posted on the doors facing the vestibule. And I know there that I’ve seen some of the parishioners wearing slacks (one woman) and blue jeans (one man does that when there’s a Holy Day Mass). But it’s up to the priest, I think, to let everyone know (even if privately) what’s appropriate for Mass.
But A HUGE ‘BRAVISSIMO’ to no-nonsense Father Dominic! Amen to what he said!
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MissRose73
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Father Dominic may come across that way but he has a point. Too bad, he cannot come and preach a few times in my diocese, he would have a field day with the way some people dress and behave at Mass at times.
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Mrs_Sally
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It’s not the role of a priest to come in and start ridiculing his congregation. If we read carefully the lives of those great Saints most considered “fire and brimstone” preachers, we usually find that they spent considerable time visiting their congregations in their homes and counseling them in private.I will pray for your current pastor and your parish.
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TimothyH
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I’m going to print this post and put it in a frame on my desk.[x] thread delivers a plethora of CAF-cliches on “appropriate” attire
] thread does not deliver a plethora of CAF-cliches on “appropriate” attire
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triumphguy
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Dress code not in evidence here!
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We’re Catholics, not Baptists, nor are we prudes.
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PazzoGrande
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Well to be fair (and someone out there please correct me if I’m wrong and if this is just one of those legends), people including the Pope of the time found Michelangelo’s nude works to be scandalous and he had to paint the strips of cloth to cover up parts.
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triumphguy
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No you are right: but Blessed John Paul II had two thirds of the loin cloths removed!
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Rejoice_Always
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Bl. John Paul the Great preached the Theology of the Body – not the Theology of Haberdashery.
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triumphguy
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And at the same time that he had the Sistine Chapel cleaned up and the loincloths removed. Coincidence? I think not!
Bl. John Paul the Great preached the Theology of the Body – not the Theology of Haberdashery.
And obviously, I am not condoning the hyper sexualization of women and adolescents and I hate some of the clothes that kids wear.
But in adoration I have better things to think about than other peoples’ clothes.
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PerfectTiming
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I like your attitude. You would think more people would be more concerned with the presence of the Lord than judging their fellow adorers.
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