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OK, I’m not American and don’t understand all the historical and political and cultural connotations and undertones of each term…

But linguistically and logically, ‘black’, ‘white’, brown’, ‘red’, ‘yellow’, etc., sound (in a number of situations at least) more accurate and logical to me personally, than ‘of color’ or ‘colored’ which somehow sounds as if ‘white’ was, as it were, a default color for humanity, the canvas on which this ‘other’ color is painted on or something…

And I understand Seeker Jen completely - my maternal grandfather was from another nation, Slovenia. I have his eyes and features. When anyone asks, I always insist I’m 1/4 Slovenian, and people feel I’m being pushy or splitting hairs, while I’m just being precise. 🤷
 
OK, I’m not American and don’t understand all the historical and political and cultural connotations and undertones of each term…

But linguistically and logically, ‘black’, ‘white’, brown’, ‘red’, ‘yellow’, etc., sound (in a number of situations at least) more accurate and logical to me personally, than ‘of color’ or ‘colored’ which somehow sounds as if ‘white’ was, as it were, a default color for humanity, the canvas on which this ‘other’ color is painted on or something…

And I understand Seeker Jen completely - my maternal grandfather was from another nation, Slovenia. I have his eyes and features. When anyone asks, I always insist I’m 1/4 Slovenian, and people feel I’m being pushy or splitting hairs, while I’m just being precise. 🤷
My parents were born as “colored”, one grandmother used the term until her death in the late 1990s. I was born a “negro” around the early 70s was for a short time a afro-American, I self identify as black the term which beat out afro American. At the moment we are in the middle of a drive to change from black to African American.

Person of color is not a discriptor of me. It is a political term meaning that me, my Filipina wife or black/mixed race children, the Latinos/hispanics and other asians all belong to the same interest group with white guy as the enemy.
 
Anyone remember the great Berke Breathed’s Bloom County cartoon with Opus the Penguin, Milo, Oliver Wendell Jones and family, Bill the cat, Lola Granola, Binkly and his anxiety closet, Steve Dallas (the sleazy lawyer) and so on. Here is the dialogue from one of the Sunday strips that bears on this thread.

Mom: That’s the most adorable little colored girl playing outside.
Steve: “Colored”? You’re saying “colored people” in 1988? You know better, Ma.
Mom: Then why the "National Association for Colored People? I don’t think Negroes mind at all. Steve: Don’t say “Negroes,” Ma! You can’t say “Negroes”!
Mom: Can I say “United Negro College Fund”?
Steve: You are baiting me, Ma!
Dad: That’s it. We’re leaving.
Mom: Stay put, Reginald. "Mister Socially Sensitive"isn’t finished shaming his parents into enlightenment.
Steve: Everybody just calm down. Let’s agree to use the the New-Age term “People of Color.”
**Mom: **People of Color.
Steve: People of Color.
Mom: Colored people.
Steve: NO!!
Dad: We’re leaving.
 
Anyone remember the great Berke Breathed’s Bloom County cartoon with Opus the Penguin, Milo, Oliver Wendell Jones and family, Bill the cat, Lola Granola, Binkly and his anxiety closet, Steve Dallas (the sleazy lawyer) and so on. Here is the dialogue from one of the Sunday strips that bears on this thread.

Mom: That’s the most adorable little colored girl playing outside.
Steve: “Colored”? You’re saying “colored people” in 1988? You know better, Ma.
Mom: Then why the "National Association for Colored People? I don’t think Negroes mind at all. Steve: Don’t say “Negroes,” Ma! You can’t say “Negroes”!
Mom: Can I say “United Negro College Fund”?
Steve: You are baiting me, Ma!
Dad: That’s it. We’re leaving.
Mom: Stay put, Reginald. "Mister Socially Sensitive"isn’t finished shaming his parents into enlightenment.
Steve: Everybody just calm down. Let’s agree to use the the New-Age term “People of Color.”
**Mom: **People of Color.
Steve: People of Color.
Mom: Colored people.
Steve: NO!!
Dad: We’re leaving.
😃

You know, as unlikely as it sounds, that same cartoonist has turned out to be a good children’s author, too. My kids love em’.
 
Maybe if we all described caucasians as “people who lack as much color” instead.

C’mon, we all have some color. My own recently tracable ancestry is northern European. Before that, who knows?
 
Mama Zona, that’s awesome! I agree!

I never use the word “white” to describe myself. I always identify by ethnicity, not by color. I always say I’m Italian American. I’ve been told that because I’m 1/4, I shouldn’t say that. Yet, let’s see, Dad’s from Italy, I’ve got the olive tone, dark hair and dark eyes, and I tend to act very culturally Italian, but I’m also American. So Italian American it is. People also mistake me for having Latin American ancestry (I do have a very small amount of Spanish blood, but let me emphasize very small) because of my coloring and the fact that I speak near fluent Spanish. Lol, at my work place (a Mexican restaurant) I have had people refer to me as the “Italian girl who speaks Spanish!” And no one believes me when I tell them I have very little Spanish speaking ancestry.

For others, I never know what to say. I’ll keep it in mind to remember individual traits and not just blanket terms that people may or may not find offensive.
 
Quick Question. When will American become a ‘nationality?’
Many consider themselves Hispanic or African America. What about just plain old American?!

My husband’s ANCESTORS are from Mexico and Spain, but he is 100% American and that is how he identifies himself. My ANCESTORS are from Ireland and Germany, but I am 100% American. I am NOT German American or Irish American. I am American.
 
Quick Question. When will American become a ‘nationality?’
Many consider themselves Hispanic or African America. What about just plain old American?!

My husband’s ANCESTORS are from Mexico and Spain, but he is 100% American and that is how he identifies himself. My ANCESTORS are from Ireland and Germany, but I am 100% American. I am NOT German American or Irish American. I am American.
Like I said, it SHOULD be up to each person to choose how to self-identify. 🤷
 
I don’t identify as “plain-old American” because while I am American, I am also in the process of becoming a dual citizenship, so I will literally be both Italian and American by nationality. I also act both culturally Italian and American. And it helps that my father comes from Italy as well.
 
Quick Question. When will American become a ‘nationality?’
Many consider themselves Hispanic or African America. What about just plain old American?!

My husband’s ANCESTORS are from Mexico and Spain, but he is 100% American and that is how he identifies himself. My ANCESTORS are from Ireland and Germany, but I am 100% American. I am NOT German American or Irish American. I am American.
This is a really interesting thread. To this question, I think it’s somewhat of a challenge because discussions of nationality are also implicitly discussions of cultural identity as well. Discussions of cultural identity is challenging when attempting to apply it to geography because there is generally some variation among different groups within those boundaries, and I think it’s more difficult for the United States to describe its culture (also, can we really call it “American” culture, given that we’re only one country among many within North, Central, and South America? Is it presumptuous for us to describe ourselves as American, and couldn’t any of those countries in that geographical region lay claim to that label as well? On the other hand, calling ourselves “United States of American” or “United States’ian” is really kind of weird). Being a country founded on immigration, as well as a country in which immigration continues to play an integral role demographically and culturally, who says which values, which behaviors, which tools/material culture make up “American” culture? I don’t really have any answers, but these are really interesting topics and ideas to explore.

On the other hand, compare that with countries like Great Britain, France, Japan, China, etc. that have been around for a long time; these countries are, relative to the US, more homogenized with respect to ethnic background and shared values and behaviors, especially Japan and China, countries that have at points in their history cut themselves off from the rest of the world. However, they also are facing their own new cultural challenges because of globalization and immigration today.

Now, back to the OP, I think the term “person of color” is one of those terms that depend on context. Going back through our national history, every new group that has immigrated into the US faced historical (and current) discrimination, this act of “othering” if you will (I would say that this has also applied to Native American tribes as well). Groups have been marginalized and in many ways told that they “don’t belong,” or they’re not “one of us.” This kind of treatment historically even applied to Europeans like the Irish or the Germans. However, as people saw more and more people coming in that looked less and less “like us,” the challenges of assimilation increased, acts of discrimination became more extreme, etc. This didn’t occur just because of differences in physical appearance, but also differences in culture, like language, religion, food, values, beliefs, “normal” behavior. So, implied within the term “people of color” is this acknowledgment that different groups feel that they share this common “otherness,” or this difference between who they are and what they see as “valued” in this country. And I think there’s a tendency to look at “leaders” of groups (this includes political leaders, corporate leaders, media, celebrities, etc.) and define that as what is “valued.” This view gives somewhat of an explanation to why the election of a “black” president is historically valuable.

I’m not sure if I clarified anything with this long post, but that’s sort of the point: issues of culture and diversity are quite complicated, and I’m not so sure that it’s as simple as “whatever you choose to identify with” because things that are generally personal and private can also have public consequences (i.e. one’s understanding of marriage). I don’t claim to have any answers, just questions that I think about, and that I think are good for anyone to consider.
 
I’m biracial myself. Mom is as white as they come, Dad’s parents were both Mexican immigrants. When I have to fill out a form, if I can only check one race box, I check “other”. If I can check more than one, I tick off both “white” and “latino”. However, when people look at me oddly and then ask “so- what ARE you?”, I usually respond with “Mexican-American” because 1) it’s true, 2) it signifies that I don’t want to hear the racist comments about “those others” because even though my skin is light, I’m NOT all white and I’m NOT in cahoots WRT denigrating other races (you’d be amazed at how often this comes up), 3) it’s fun to overturn the stereotypes. I’m neither lazy nor uneducated. Maybe some of my relatives are undereducated, but that’s because they were working so hard that schooling took a back seat. And yes, we are here legally.
We don’t even consider our kids bi-racial because our boys are Caucasian. However their dad, my husband is “white” or Polish American, and I am hispanic or Mexican-America or a person of Mexican decent. I am so far removed from Mexican-American. (and trust me when I was younger and not so Catholic calling me a Mexican-American was fightin’ words - I would have “thrown” down right then and there because that would have been an insult). I am American, born and raised here. I wouldn’t have made it in Mexico. I thought I was a white girl for a long time. I didn’t know I wasn’t white until I moved to San Antonio when I looked just like every other hispanic child. My mom is a light hispanic and my dad is super dark hispanic and I am just a “perfect” mix. Because we were military we didn’t even think of color.

Now my boys are considered hispanic by the State but white by the US Census go figure.

I consider myself 100% American but I can tell you it is mighty difficult for others to see me that way.
 
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