heisenburg:
I understand what you are trying to say. I understand your usage of Pauls statements saying that study scripture can make one wise to salvation. This is comepletly true. To an extent.
I don’t think you understand. I am waiting for an answer to a modification of the question you posed: How do you know that what you believe is the truth, if you cannot personally, and privately interpret the scripture?
As far as Paul’s statements, you agree with what I say, but you add a caveat, “
to an extent." Paul’s statement does not include any caveat; you have added that yourself.
heisenburg:
He couldnt have know his scouldings of the differant churches would become Scripture.
The apostles knew very well that they were writing scripture (2 Pet 3:15-16); and, as you say, Paul being a master of the O.T., knew how scripture came about: through the Prophets, which means to “speak forth,” they spoke forth and wrote down the words of God. Likewise, the apostles, which means, “sent ones,” knew that they were speaking the words of God as well, as is evidenced by Paul’s statements that the Gospel he preached he did not receive from men, but from Christ, and as Peter also called the “wisdom given to him [Paul, and the other apostles, unless you believe that the others were speaking from themselves].” They knew that they were writing scripture.
But that is beside the point; the question remains: How do you know what you believe is the truth, if you are unable to personally, and privately interpret the scripture?
heisenburg:
Why did paul write his letters? Most of the time, it was to REBUKE various churches actions in interpreting what was said and what was written. In Otherwords, the were reading the scripture they had, reading the letters that were circulating about Jesus, and STILL not interpreting what Jesus wanted properly. I think it is in Col. that there was a group of ‘believers’ that also thought scripture meant for the to WORSHIP angels along side of god. The differant churches were reading scripture yet still falling away.
You are assuming that everyone, in everyone of the churches, was getting it wrong. That is simply not true. Some were getting it wrong, while others, led by the Spirit, were getting it right, as evidenced by the commendations in the various opening and closing salutations of all of the epistles.
But that is beside the point; the question remains: How do you know what you believe is the truth, if you are unable to personally, and privately interpret the scripture?
heisenburg:
Paul submited to someone else, and even says he does (i beleive in acts) I am refering to the CHURCH in which paul was a leader in and of PETER who was the earthly head.
Paul submitted to Christ, as evidenced in his opening statements to the Corinthian church in his first letter to them; in fact, he scolded them for aligning themselves with men, including himself and Peter, rather than Christ (1 Cor 1:10-13, and on into chapter 4). Paul also confronted Peter (Gal 2:11ff), who referred to himself as a “fellow elder,” (1 Pet 5:1; cf 2 Jn 1; 3 Jn 1).
But that is beside the point; the question remains: How do you know what you believe is the truth, if you are unable to personally, and privately interpret the scripture?
heisenburg:
Those that Assume Paul was also talking about NT scriptures are basing there beleif on a HUGE assumtion, and one that CANNOT be supported by scripture or history.
I have already shown your statement to be false, and include it again because it is important to understand that the apostles knew that they were writing scripture.
But that is beside the point; the question remains: How do you know what you believe is the truth, if you are unable to personally, and privately interpret the scripture?
