Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ

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Southern Baptists, among other groups, speak of needing a personal relationship with Jesus. Being a “not-yet Catholic but hunger to be” can you tell me what the Church’s position is on this term, process, etc. and if it is considered orthodox.

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Riley Kinney
 
A relationship with Christ is certainly at the heart of Christianity, as is my understanding of it. We are called to be in Christ, as the very name “Christian” implies. It isn’t just orthodox, it goes without saying. He is not just our savior; every time my RCIA class comes to a closing prayer, the deacon says, “And now, let us pray in the words our Brother Jesus taught us.” Brother Jesus. He is to be like our brother, as well as our Lord and Savior.
 
To elaborate some, I was born into a Southern Baptist family, and was pressured to “get baptized” although I wasn’t sure what it was all about. There seemed to be a very subjective element to a personal relationship in the former church. In the Catholic Church I sense that a personal relationship is developed by participating in the Sacraments, although I have not been able to do so myself.
 
our relationship with Jesus Christ is a communal one. we are all part of one Church, which is a community of believers, and this Church is One with Jesus Christ (the bride, the mystical body)

there is no “personal” relationship with Jesus. its not a one-on-one relationship between us and Jesus, but rather a relationship with Jesus and His Church, which is ALL OF US
 
To elaborate some, I was born into a Southern Baptist family, and was pressured to “get baptized” although I wasn’t sure what it was all about. There seemed to be a very subjective element to a personal relationship in the former church. In the Catholic Church I sense that a personal relationship is developed by participating in the Sacraments, although I have not been able to do so myself.
the Sacraments are not a personal relationship with Jesus. Sacraments are ways Jesus delivers His Grace to us. and as with my earlier statement, the Sacraments not only forms a bond between ourselves and Jesus, it also forms a bond between ourselves and His Church. i don’t think there’s anything in the Church that would purely isolate yourself and Jesus from everyone else, the view is always communal because that is what the Church is, a community of believers
 
I was thinking about this concept earlier this week because the gospel was about Good Shepard, with His flock “knowing His voice” It struck me because it indicates that His followers know the Shepard to the extent of actually recognizing more than just His words, understanding Him on a more personal level.

Within the tradition of Catholicism, we learn the tone to which God teaches us to address Him in worship, and with the sacraments we follow the process Jesus revealed in order to mold our lives to His teachings. At the same time, we are called to develop a prayer life to further our understanding on a more personal level. I think the prayer life part is more difficult than people expect (it has been more difficult for me at least) but I do believe it is very fruitful. I think the whole “God loves you” thing is a bit bigger than people initially consider because of the intimate level of interest the Creator of the Universe has for each individual. It is quite the personal challenge when you think about it, but it is even more of a challenge when you stop to consider that it also means that your rightful response is to love God back. You can not simply love intellectually. Again, it is all a big challenge, and I call myself out for my times of only half-hearted faith, but it is something we will spend our lives working towards.
I’m sorry, I may have rambled. I hope that helps.
 
there is no “personal” relationship with Jesus. its not a one-on-one relationship between us and Jesus, but rather a relationship with Jesus and His Church, which is ALL OF US
I agree with you that the relationship we have within the Church and with our neighbors in general is a way we are called to have a relationship with Jesus - The whole “what you do for someone else, you do for Me” thing very much applies - but I would also say the “personal” relationship is developed through prayer, the idea for which is supported through the lives of saints.
 
I agree with you that the relationship we have within the Church and with our neighbors in general is a way we are called to have a relationship with Jesus - The whole “what you do for someone else, you do for Me” thing very much applies - but I would also say the “personal” relationship is developed through prayer, the idea for which is supported through the lives of saints.
the problem with the definition of “personal” relationship brought about by some protestant faiths is that they emphasize on a one-on-one relationship with Jesus. some of them even speak openly that they don’t need organized religion to have that personalized relationship with God. and of course, by organized religion they mean Church

that is why most protestants can’t even understand why we need to ask saints for their prayers. because for them, its just them as an individual, and God. Catholicism is always about the Church. not that we don’t believe and see we have a personal connection to Jesus, but this personal connection is just part of the entire relationship with have with God and the Church that its indistinguishable. i’m making an emphasis based on the protestant definition of “personal” relationship

even my parish priest makes that distinction. he says during easter vigil that we should put the candle high up above our heads. and explains that if we hold in low and close to our face or bodies, it doesn’t shine as bright as if its held high. and this is the difference between faith that is personal, and a faith that is shared to all 👍
 
I was raised in the Conference Baptist churches. Speaking for myself, my “personal” relationship with Jesus Christ increased immensely and continues to do so in the Catholic Church. I receive Him in Holy Communion (which is not just a memorial of Him), and I pray to Him much more often and for a longer time.
 
=csx333;6576131]Southern Baptists, among other groups, speak of needing a personal relationship with Jesus. Being a “not-yet Catholic but hunger to be” can you tell me what the Church’s position is on this term, process, etc. and if it is considered orthodox.
Riley Kinney
***God our Creator GIFTS every human person with very special Spiritual Gifts: namely a mind, an intellect, a freewill and a soul.

The precise correct use of these Gifts is: **Isaiah 43: 21 *"the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise."

Now God wants a Perfect Gift in return fo the imperfects Gifts He gave us. Our Praise and thanks is perfectd bu us FREELY choosing to have this personal relationship with Christ.

The BIG DIFFERENCE IS

Protestant at best; are in relationship with the Spirit of Christ.

Catholics ALONE can and DO HAVE a Personal relationship with the very Person of Jesus; [Really and Truly Jesus Christ Himself] in Catholic Holy Cmmunion.
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***Matt. 26:26-28, Mark 14: 22:24; Luke 22: 19-21, John Chapter six v.55 [and other verses too], and Saint Paul 1 Cor. 11:23-29! *** 👍

Love and prayers,
 
our relationship with Jesus Christ is a communal one. we are all part of one Church, which is a community of believers, and this Church is One with Jesus Christ (the bride, the mystical body)

there is no “personal” relationship with Jesus. its not a one-on-one relationship between us and Jesus, but rather a relationship with Jesus and His Church, which is ALL OF US
Do you pray in private, apart from your Church ? Personal prayer is bedrock Catholicism. Group, Church prayer is also essential dogma.

As another has already said, Christ is our Brother … by adoption. We are God’s rebirthed children. ITS PERSONAL … without a doubt. Christ even taught us to go into private, and make private prayer to the FATHER … via the H.S.
 
the Sacraments are not a personal relationship with Jesus. Sacraments are ways Jesus delivers His Grace to us. and as with my earlier statement, the Sacraments not only forms a bond between ourselves and Jesus, it also forms a bond between ourselves and His Church.
So, you would teach us that the Eucharist is not personal ? That Confession is impersonal ? That ‘social’ bonds are impersonal ?

Please, get a grip on what error you are teaching here ! My friend, we teach INFUSION of grace … not (name removed by moderator)UTATION thereof. The first is personal, the second can be viewed as impersonal.
 
So, you would teach us that the Eucharist is not personal ? That confession is impersonal ? That ‘social’ bonds are impersonal ?

Please, get a grip on what error you are teaching here !
there is no error. the Eucharist unites us with Christ, but is in just you and Jesus? no. everyone who partakes in the Eucharist becomes one with Christ. its not just you in the body of Christ, or just me in the body of Christ. its all of us in the body of Christ as one.

fromt the CCC

1331 Holy Communion, because by this sacrament we unite ourselves to Christ, who makes us sharers in his Body and Blood to form a single body.151 We also call it: the holy things (ta hagia; sancta)152 - the first meaning of the phrase “communion of saints” in the Apostles’ Creed - the bread of angels, bread from heaven, medicine of immortality, viaticum. . . .

nothing personal about the Eucharist. it brings us all together into One Body
 
the Sacraments are not a personal relationship with Jesus. Sacraments are ways Jesus delivers His Grace to us. and as with my earlier statement, the Sacraments not only forms a bond between ourselves and Jesus, it also forms a bond between ourselves and His Church. i don’t think there’s anything in the Church that would purely isolate yourself and Jesus from everyone else, the view is always communal because that is what the Church is, a community of believers
As a Protestant, choy… I think your statements above are completely accurate.

Besides, everyone has a personal relationship with Jesus. You’re either under His wrath and condemnation or you’ve been buried with Him in Baptism and raised to new life in Him.
 
As a Protestant, choy… I think your statements above are completely accurate.

Besides, everyone has a personal relationship with Jesus. You’re either under His wrath and condemnation or you’ve been buried with Him in Baptism and raised to new life in Him.
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i already said SOME protestants. i’m not to familiar with the Lutheran viewpoint as i don’t know that many Lutherans. most i know are Evangelicals and non-denoms who emphasize on one-on-one relationship. the over emphasis on the personal relationship becomes a heresy that the Church is not needed. i’ve already clarified that i didn’t mean there’s no personal relationship for Catholics. the emphasis is more on communal. just look at the commandments of Jesus, to build our personal relationship with him, we should build our personal relationship with others. thus the emphasis on a strict one-on-one it not there unlike what some protestants would say. love one another, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick, etc.

even if you look at the sacraments. while it is confered on you as a person, the effects are communal. baptism makes you part of the Church. confirmation seals you in the Holy Spirit and gives you the gifts, plus the responsibility of being defenders of the faith (again a Church action). Eucharist is communion, uniting with all to become one in Christ. confession not only heals the damaged relationship between you and God, but also the damaged relationship between you and Church. Matrimony, binds you and a spouse. Holy Orders, service of the Church in priesthood. anointing of the sick, while it may sound very personal as it deals with your inner ills, again it has implications between you and the Church as a whole

that is why i said, while the personal relationship for Catholics is there, its indistinguishable from our communal relationship with the Church. there is emphasis on the Church because the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ which we all seek to become a part of
 
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i already said SOME protestants.
Oh, I know. I didn’t take it personally. Only saying because I think your statement is right over and above the general Protestant evangelical view.

More importantly, I think the problem with the Protestant view is that it is played almost as if the personal relationship with Christ is what saves you. In point of fact, it is His death on the cross that saves you, through the word and sacraments. Since most evangelical churches are devoid of the sacraments…and in some cases (liberal Protestantism) devoid of the word as well, what Jesus has instituted is replaced by the sacrament of a personal relationship with Jesus.
 
Ultimately, the tale of this creation is the beginning of separation from God through the sin of Adam and the reconciling of Adam and his children to God through the work of Jesus Christ.

Hence, Adam was created in total intimacy with God, which he rejected. Christ, while yet God, took upon himself the form of Adam and suffered the consequences of Adam’s sin, which in turn reconciled us all to God.

Hence, it is at the heart of the Christian life to embrace that communion with God through the mediation of Jesus Christ. Because Christ reconciles us to God, embracing relationship with him is the function and purpose of our existence. Furthermore, because Christ is God, embracing relationship with him becomes even more critical.

Protestantism incorrectly describes Catholicism as adding extras that only serve as barriers between us and Christ. Our separate brethren incorrectly realizes that by rejecting the sacraments, they are rejecting a powerful and visible expression of our relationship with him.

American evangelicals have a tendency to view a “personal relationship” with Christ as having feel-good emotions concerning him, feeling his presence in day-to-day life, and asking him advice on all of their decisions. While these are not bad things, they forget the mystery and majesty that Christ veiled in himself when he became a human, and therefore they also forget the majesty and glory that he assumed once more when he ascended into Heaven. It kind of turns into a, “What has Jesus done for me in my life? How do I talk to Jesus throughout the day? How do I hear Jesus speaking to me throughout the day?” Again, these are not bad things. These are in fact good things, but the wholeness of the Christian life is lost when these things become the focus and meaningless catchphrases like “all you need is Jesus” become the religion, and the entirety of the Christian religion is abandoned.

For the catholic/orthodox Christian, the “personal relationship” is not the means to salvation - it is the salvation. The personal relationship which Adam had with Christ was lost, and we, wallowing in our sin here on earth, are still separated from it. The sacraments are the physical means by which Christ once again descends from Heaven and dwells with us.

Baptism, the first sacrament, is the means by which we are reconciled to God’s favor. It is not the physical taking of a bath that saves us, but the cry of our conscience towards God, in acknowledging that we have sinned, turning from our sin, and accepting the death of Christ as our own death. It is our rebirth as new men, into brotherhood with Christ, the firstborn from the dead. It is Christ who washes our sins away in this sacrament. We are united to his crucifixion and burial through it, but also to his resurrection. Hence, the relationship becomes deeper because you and Christ both experience the same sinlessness, death, and resurrection.

Chrismation, the second sacrament, is the means by which God continues to make himself presence in our life. Unlike the mantra by which the Protestants say we must “invite Jesus into our heart”, the catholic Christian invites the Holy Spirit to indwell him through the Sign of Faith being marked on the forehead by the hands of the priest, who acts as Christ. In each person of the Trinity, the fullness of the Godhead dwells, and their perfect unity with the other two persons make them present as well. As the Spirit of Christ indwells you, Christ himself is present permanently. Protestants, while they express a desire for Chrismation in “inviting Jesus into your heart”, they lack the fullness of understanding and physical reality that the sacrament provides.

The Eucharist, the third sacrament, is a means by which Christ continues to physically dwell among us. Indeed, Catholics frequently answer the personal relationship question by pointing to this, saying, how can one be more intimate with another person than by eating their flesh and drinking their blood? Protestants have abandoned this sacrament. They can no longer physically ingest Christ. The “remembrance” of Christ’s death is meaningless for them, and most Protestant churches have communion once a month at best. Christ insisted that we will abide in him and he will abide in us if we eat his flesh and drink his blood. I do not recall the name of the saint who said, “Eucharist is the one food that when eaten, you become it instead of it becoming you.” We are transformed into Christ’s Body, quite literally, by making his Body the nourishment of ours.
 
In the adoration of the Eucharist, both in the Mass and in Adoration, we experience the terror, awe, and majesty of God’s presence. He dwells among in humility, in the likeness of bread and wine, but for the Christian who has eyes to see and ears to hear, the knowledge of physical proximity to Christ unites him only more closely, and increases the joy and anticipation of his return.

Holy Orders is one of Protestant’s favorites to mock. “Why do you need a priest? I can go straight to God.” No, you cannot. Christ is our high priest, and without his mediation you are alienated from God’s presence. “He who rejects you rejects me.” He ordained his disciples as overseers, to watch over his flock in his absence. To them he granted all his authority and power. Since we are physically separated from Christ’s earthly ministry by 2,000 years, it would be foolish to affirm that we have the same level of “access” that those who lived in Palestine in the first century had, except for this sacrament. The Bishop represents Christ and wields his authority in this modern world in which we dwell. Christ becomes present with us again each time we meet our Priest, the Bishop’s helper, or the Bishop himself. This is why the catholic Christian greets his pastors with great excitement. The Byzantines have a tradition of kissing their priests’ hands; we Latins have a tradition of genuflexion before our bishops. Through these signs, we respect the authority of Christ that they have and acknowledge our union with Christ through his representation in them.

Marriage is given to us as a sign of our future communion with Christ. Protestants, thank God, have not denied this one. In this sacrament, Christ is made present in our spouses. This is while you must treat your spouse with love and respect, because in your relationship with them, they are Christ to you. We will one day enjoy the great intimacy of marriage with Christ, and we must not forget that we yet enjoy a portion of that intimacy in our marriages.

Christ becomes our physician the sacrament of Unction. Christ, present in the priest, comes to us on our sickbeds and anoints us, praying for us to be healed from our illnesses. Protestants, while they have the prayer of the common person for their illnesses, and Christ’s intercession in Heaven, lack the physical presence of Christ and his comfort in sickness.

Confession is the means by which Christ reconciles us to him after we rejected him after baptism. Protestants question, saying, “Why do you have to confess to a Priest? I confess my sins directly to God.” You may confess your sins in prayer, but when you confess to a priest, you may be certain that you are physically confessing your sins to Christ. The Protestant cannot go into the confessional and meet Christ. The catholic Christian can. The screen exists not just to protect the anonymity of the penitent, but also to give the penitent a sense of mystery and help him understand that it is not a mere man he confesses to and who gives him absolution. It is Christ himself who hears your sins and absolves you.

By rejecting these, Protestants lose so much of the Christian experience. Christ is present in all these things. Our relationship with him is expressed physically in all of these. The Protestant lacks these, and his relationship with Christ is impaired.

Unfortunately, for some, the sacraments become superstitious, and they reject Christ in their hearts while retaining the outward signs. Protestants rightly recognize that this is a danger for the cultural Catholic. However, truly living a sacrament life only unites us closer to Christ our God.

The sacraments are merely means that Christ has given to us for us to know him. By rejecting Christ present in the priest when he teaches, anoints, baptizes, and absolves, Christ present in the Eucharist when he becomes our nourishment, and Christ present in the Holy Spirit when he becomes our helper, they lose much of the relationship and its physical acting. Christ became a man and remains a man. The earth will be remade and restored. We are physical beings and will not cease to be. Our relationship with Christ should be visible as well as invisible. It will also involve Christ acting through other people to bring himself to us.

In summary, we must pray to Christ. We must know him and understand him. We must desire his constant presence in our life. These are good things that Protestantism asserts. However, they reject sacramental life, and therefore cut themselves off from the experience with Christ that catholic Christianity can offer.
 
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