Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ

[MartinJordan]

They’ll know we are Christians by our love - Greatest song of all time

Yep

I think that’s a compliment for me?

Don’t forget the verse that come before it:

We are one in the Spirit

We are one in the Lord

We are one in the Spirit

We are one in the Lord

and We Pray that all Unity

may one day be **restored
**

Then they’ll know we are Christians, by our love

MJ

 

[jenetlen]

Nice sharing…

 

[sallybutler]

I think this is it in a nutshell! In other words, when an evangelical protestant says “personal relationship with Jesus Christ” it means "you’re not worshiping Jesus the way that I want you to worship Jesus!"

AMEN!

 

[hn160]

I believe that we have a personal relationship with Jesus when we are baptized, confess our sins and receive Absolution, eat his Body and drink his Blood in Holy Communion, and hear His Word read and preached.

 

[1voice]

This response is nothing more than a reflection of what you believe and as you see has been deemed insulting.

Consider the usual response to …there are many roads to God…the radical Protestant balks at this…oh no…only Jesus…You have stated your experience as the many roads…

Consider that the majority of Catholics maintain what they believe and feel about their relationship hidden like a precious gem. It is only in places like this and other places where Catholics freely talk to other Catholics about this.

You do not have the experience of the world so you can only speak for the experience of your world. You suffer from generalization and your limited understanding of your experience that you believe is the experience of the world.

Well,
Your editorial is noted.
You folks can bless … or candeem … whatever you choose…

I was simply pointing to the fact that an outward display does not necessarily correlate with an inward dedication … no matter what religion a person may choose to practice.

 

[MartinJordan]

I believe that we have a personal relationship with Jesus when we are baptized, confess our sins and receive Absolution, eat his Body and drink his Blood in Holy Communion, and hear His Word read and preached.

I’d like to add that eating his Body and drinking his Blood is something Jesus conveyed that we MUST do. It is shame that some read that part but yet want to give their own definition of what that constitutes.

MJ

 

[jewelry02]

I’ve been out from our congregation for quite along time but It doesn’t mean that I’m leaving without him.Still I talk to Him, pray to Him and always believe and trust that He’s always been there with me.
Still longing to go back in church but I am afraid things happen again which cause me to
question HIM!

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[onmyknees]

I’ve been out from our congregation for quite along time but It doesn’t mean that I’m leaving without him.Still I talk to Him, pray to Him and always believe and trust that He’s always been there with me.
Still longing to go back in church but I am afraid things happen again which cause me to
question HIM!

diylessons.org,
Jewelry Making,
Learn How to Make Jewelry,
Online Beading Class

Hi jewelry02; I see that you are new to this forum so I would like to welcome you!

May I ask what things might happen again that cause you to question Him?

 

[CopticChristian]

Miriam1947:
Miriam1947
Regular Member

Originally Posted by ltwin

For the Christian, Jesus is not limited to what we know about him from history or from the interpretations of 2 thousand years of thought about him. He possesses a love so strong for you and me

you speak for all Christians…as a Protestant just remmember that when you speak on Fatih and Morals and things relevant to Christ that you speak for yourself…since

I say that there is but one OHCAC
I say that there are 7 Sacraments and you enter the Church through Baptism
I say that we are saved by grace alone, by Faith alone working in love
I say that we are regenerated in Baptism
I say that the deposit of Faith in the OHCAC is the deposit of Faith left to the apostle by Christ.

Do you agree or disagree with the above?

There are words by Itwin, words by me followed by words by me with a question.

And this means what to you?

 

[ltwin]

This is quite a generalization. How do you know anything about anyone?

Hi Bob how are you? Fine? I have a personal relationship with my brother, he is wonderful, we speak all the time, we love each other and he is great. Bob you have no relationship with your family, you are pitiful…Oh yeah…how do you know that…I never have spoken to you about it…

Catholics have a personal intimate relationship with Christ through His word, through his person, we honor His Father, His mother, we think about all the people that are with Him, cloud of witnesses so to speak, we pray to Him, we Meditate on Him…we consume Him every Sunday or sometimes everyday…we honor and respect each and everytime we worship the death and resurrection…we always recall the paraclete the Holy Spirit…after He sent Him…We always recall the Trinity when we sign ourselves and recall our baptismal vows…

I believe that you may want to stop generalizing what you believe you know rather than a few experiences you have had…

Maybe you should not take my words out of context. I make know judgements about anyone. Work out your on salvation with fear and trembling. Judge for yourself if you are a Christian in name only.

 

[ltwin]

What an insulting post.
How the heck do you know who is going on a “internal treadmill”?

No one is pointing out anyone who is going on an “internal treadmill.” We’re only saying that it is possible, but that is not the desired way to live.

I spent years on your side of the Tiber and I can tell you thier are just as many “born again” “personal relationship with Jesus” christians out there who “cussed as a lifestyle and told every dirty joke they could get into their schoolboy heads and gossiped and showed little respect for thier pastors”.

Yes, the logical outcome of evangelical belief is the acknowledgement that not everyone who claims to know Jesus in fact knows him.

 

[JustaServant]

Yes, the logical outcome of evangelical belief is the acknowledgement that not everyone who claims to know Jesus in fact knows him.

And Catholic as well/
The difference is Catholics do no commit the sin of presumption in that we KNOW which ones KNOW HIM and which ones DO NOT KNOW HIM.
If you think they are such bad Christians than start focusing on yourself, because you dont know how you are coming off either to others.
I think its called humility.

 

[CopticChristian]

Well,
Your editorial is noted.
You folks can bless … or candeem … whatever you choose…

I was simply pointing to the fact that an outward display does not necessarily correlate with an inward dedication … no matter what religion a person may choose to practice.

Consider that as I understand it Extrinsic Justification declares the sinner to be an acquitted criminal, appearing to be what they are not. Then contrast that with as I understand it Protestant thought that there is regenaration by saying a sinners prayer and saving Faith.

Then…

Catholics say you are truly regenerated by the Spirit in Baptism and are truly a child of God inside and out…and our outward appearance just demonstrates disobedience and may become prodigal.

Then

Consider you cannot judge a book by its cover, one may look holy and be holy, look holy and not be holy, not look holy and be holy and not look holy and not be holy. What is it you can judge by the exterior is irrelevant.

 

[CopticChristian]

Maybe you should not take my words out of context. I make know judgements about anyone. Work out your on salvation with fear and trembling. Judge for yourself if you are a Christian in name only.

What words did I take out of context?

What evangelical Protestants criticize is nominal Christianity (whether it be Catholic or Protestant). What we criticize are those Christians who do not have a relationship with Jesus, who do not know him, or ever really think about him or allow any room in their lives for him.

You say, Evangelicals, criticize Nominal Christianity.

You say, what we criticize is what you believe according to your paradigm, your understanding, your thoughts Christians.

Explain where I took words out of context.

 

[CopticChristian]

No one is pointing out anyone who is going on an “internal treadmill.” We’re only saying that it is possible, but that is not the desired way to live.

Yes, the l**ogical outcome **of evangelical belief is the acknowledgement that not everyone who claims to know Jesus in fact knows him.

Explain all the various ways that someone can come to know Jesus as you say so that I may understand your logical outcome.

 

[ltwin]

And Catholic as well/
The difference is Catholics do no commit the sin of presumption in that we KNOW which ones KNOW HIM and which ones DO NOT KNOW HIM.
If you think they are such bad Christians than start focusing on yourself, because you dont know how you are coming off either to others.
I think its called humility.

Evangelicals don’t or shouldn’t presume to know what is in another man’s heart. However, we will all be known by our fruits. If someone is not living a Christian life, yet claims to be a Christian, they should at the least be corrected, in Godly love, for their behavior. If they refuse Godly counsel and correction, that is a warning flag that something is wrong.

 

[ltwin]

What words did I take out of context?

This is quite a generalization. How do you know anything about anyone?

Hi Bob how are you? Fine? I have a personal relationship with my brother, he is wonderful, we speak all the time, we love each other and he is great. Bob you have no relationship with your family, you are pitiful…Oh yeah…how do you know that…I never have spoken to you about it…

Catholics have a personal intimate relationship with Christ through His word, through his person, we honor His Father, His mother, we think about all the people that are with Him, cloud of witnesses so to speak, we pray to Him, we Meditate on Him…we consume Him every Sunday or sometimes everyday…we honor and respect each and everytime we worship the death and resurrection…we always recall the paraclete the Holy Spirit…after He sent Him…We always recall the Trinity when we sign ourselves and recall our baptismal vows…

I believe that you may want to stop generalizing what you believe you know rather than a few experiences you have had…

How exactly did you get that I was judging specific people’s spiritual lives and determining correctly and without error where they are in relation to knowledge and obedience to Jesus Christ? I never said anything about Bob, Jack, or Suzie’s relationship with Jesus. I never said anything about the personal relationship of Catholics with Jesus.

I sad specifically and quite clearly that evangelicals criticize the fact, the existence, the concept of a “Christian in name only.” Who are these “Christians in name only?” I don’t know and in my original comment you will notice that I never pointed out who they might be. The fact that they exist, however, is undisputed.

That was NOT a criticism of Catholicism. There are Catholics who do know Jesus. There are evangelical Protestants who say they know Jesus, but really don’t. Evangelicals know that it is entirely possible to say that you are a Christian and yet not have a change of heart and life, not make Jesus Lord and Savior. There are evangelicals who have not done this, and evangelicals call them rightly “Christians in name only.”

I don’t see how I generalized anything about persons or about Catholicism.

You say, Evangelicals, criticize Nominal Christianity.

You say, what we criticize is what you believe according to your paradigm, your understanding, your thoughts Christians.

Explain where I took words out of context.

I just did.

 

[CopticChristian]

Matt7
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The wide gate is the way of the world the narrow way is Jesus.
Jn. 14
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matt7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

The “wonderful works” of those who cried Lord, Lord were not enough. They had to know and be known and that is done by building your house on the rock, Jesus Christ.

Are you sure you are not Catholic? May you remain in Christ.

 

[CopticChristian]

AMEN!

I have a mother and a father. They have died. I have 3 sisters, 5 children and 3 grandchildren. My Oldest brother is perfect.

I never fret or consider any of my relationships with my family. Sometimes I don’t agree, don’t get along, dont speak, don’t follow advice and fail to heed advice…and that goes for my oldest brother.

I ask every person to read all the Postings by Catholics and then see the following…summary of Evangelical postings.

What evangelical Protestants criticize is nominal Christianity (whether it be Catholic or Protestant). What we criticize are those Christians who do not have a relationship with Jesus,

The discussion of “personal relationship with Jesus Christ” is a prime example of poor Protestant quality control. In my opinion, it is borne out of a disturbing trend in Protestantism to “personalize” faith.

My post is not about judging people at all. I do not know the heart of any person but my own. However, I do know that there are people who go through a process of initiation and conversion in the church (whether they be Catholic or Protestant) and nothing ever comes out of that.

Therefore, when evangelicals hear that Catholics believe that baptism, communion, and confession are means of grace and that these things operate automatically, evangelicals fear that Catholics practice an check-list faith: baptism-check, communion-check, confession-check, have a nice day and come again soon.

There salvation is in doubt, and we wont give them any false sense of security. We will not simply say “They are still Christian” if they show no evidence in their life of being a Christian. Their is an inner witness that one is a Christian, but there is also an outward evidence as that person is transformed into Christ’s likeness.

“Religious” activity (for its own sake) doesnt necessarily have much to do with a personal/ intimate/ healthy relationship with Jesus.

Here is what I see. I have no questions about my relationship with my family, personal or intimate. I see Evangelicals on this post so insecure in their "relationship with Christ’ that they have to compare it to others. I do not see any Catholic or Lutheran doing that.

I surmise that based on these posting that those that have personal relationships with their family do not speak about how others relate to their family. This is a sign of insecurity. I see judging, criticism and comparison. Does anyone in your family do that…It is well known that dysfunctional families do this.

Evangelicals are all about judging as I see it and I say this…

1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2But we are sure that the **judgment of God is according to truth **against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

I am all about the truth. The OHCAC is the truth.

Oh yeah my perfect Older brother…Jesus…we do fine…, he provided a Church where all are of the same mind, One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism…some struggle and some do not…and we all love each other.

 

[ltwin]

I have a mother and a father. They have died. I have 3 sisters, 5 children and 3 grandchildren. My Oldest brother is perfect.

I never fret or consider any of my relationships with my family. Sometimes I don’t agree, don’t get along, dont speak, don’t follow advice and fail to heed advice…and that goes for my oldest brother.

I ask every person to read all the Postings by Catholics and then see the following…summary of Evangelical postings.

Here is what I see. I have no questions about my relationship with my family, personal or intimate. I see Evangelicals on this post so insecure in their "relationship with Christ’ that they have to compare it to others. I do not see any Catholic or Lutheran doing that.

I surmise that based on these posting that those that have personal relationships with their family do not speak about how others relate to their family. This is a sign of insecurity. I see judging, criticism and comparison. Does anyone in your family do that…It is well known that dysfunctional families do this.

**Evangelicals are all about judging as I see it and I say this…
**

I am all about the truth. The OHCAC is the truth.

Oh yeah my perfect Older brother…Jesus…we do fine…, he provided a Church where all are of the same mind, One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism…some struggle and some do not…and we all love each other.

CopticChristian I have to address this post. You just accused me of making generalizations and chastised me about doing it. Well, I need to inform you that you have made the most flagrant generalization of this whole thread.