Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ

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1voice said:
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Well,
Your editorial is noted.
You folks can bless … or candeem … whatever you choose…

I was simply pointing to the fact that an outward display does not necessarily correlate with an inward dedication … no matter what religion a person may choose to practice.

“Man looks on the exterior … God looks on and only values the heart”

Rituals have no value at all (absolutely none… no matter who instituted them), and change nothing if there is not a heart after the truth performing the act. Rote repetition is worthless…Jesus cast … “Woe” on the leaders of the Jews that followed the letter of the law given to Moses by God… and called them whitewashed tombs.

You draw a line of distinction based on which Christian Church that a person attends.
I dont.
Obedience and dedication to God through Jesus does not mean obedience to a particular Christian religion IMHO.

The Kingdom of God is righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Spirit… no matter what Christian church a person attends.

In the last days God is pouring out his Spirit on all… with the goal of winning as many as are willing … out of a dying world… Through hearts dedicated to him … not religion. In fact … many people run from religion … but openly embrace Christ… Pilate said "What is truth?’ Jesus said to Pilate … the ones that God is drawing to himself hear his voice and can discern truth. Pilate’s own wife was one of those who knew the difference … and tried to warn her husband not to harm Jesus. Religious affiliation is worthless … without a heart after God.

“Multitudes … multitudes In the valley of decision.”

Can these dry bones live? … Certainly! … but life only exists in the presence of fellowship in the Holy Spirit. The well that never runs dry.

I realize that Catholics believe that all of the above can only be accomplished within the bounds of Catholicism … I have looked at the evidence and have concluded that God is gathering his family … all over the world in this generation … and denominational lines and religious taboos dont matter in the least to him… Just as they didnt matter to him when he spoke to the woman at the well (from a people that worshiped the same God …but that were despised by the Jews of that day)… Jesus offered to give that religious outcast … the water of eternal life.

… Religion builds walls. God builds relationships.
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That is one way of looking at it.🙂
 
Waiting said:
Isn’t it time to give this thread a rest? It seems to have strayed far from the OP’s question. I think everyone knows by now how each feels.
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I believe I said as much in the post preceeding yours.🙂
 
I have tried the personal relationship thing and found it to be bunk. I have personally come to the conclusion that them that claim to have such a thing are in fact delusional. Perhaps multiple personalities or maybe schizophrenic.

Every person I have ever met that makes such a claim also belives the bible as the inneranet word of God. One would have to be mentaly insane to actually belive the bible in its entirety is the innerant word of a holy being. The hole killem all man woman and child and keep the virgins thing kinda puts the conscience to the test. I sided with conscience.
 
agent_grey said:
I have tried the personal relationship thing and found it to be bunk. I have personally come to the conclusion that them that claim to have such a thing are in fact delusional. Perhaps multiple personalities or maybe schizophrenic.

Every person I have ever met that makes such a claim also belives the bible as the inneranet word of God. One would have to be mentaly insane to actually belive the bible in its entirety is the innerant word of a holy being. The hole killem all man woman and child and keep the virgins thing kinda puts the conscience to the test. I sided with conscience.
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So you have no intimate relationship with the risen savior? Do you pray to God regularly? Do you listen quietly in his presence? Has there never been a time in your life where you have felt his love and you have loved him? I find it heard to believe that any Christian could deride any person which claims that they have a relationship with Christ.

How exactly do you describe your life in Christ? Is it intellectual assent to a belief? Is it going through motions? I’m sure its not. There has to be something more than mere intellectual assent or going through motions. If you don’t please explain what it means to belong to Christ to you and can you be more specific as to why you find the whole “personal relationship” thing not credible.
 
agent_grey said:
I have tried the personal relationship thing and found it to be bunk. I have personally come to the conclusion that them that claim to have such a thing are in fact delusional. Perhaps multiple personalities or maybe schizophrenic.

Every person I have ever met that makes such a claim also belives the bible as the inneranet word of God. One would have to be mentaly insane to actually belive the bible in its entirety is the innerant word of a holy being. The hole killem all man woman and child and keep the virgins thing kinda puts the conscience to the test. I sided with conscience.
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Please find that “keep the virgins” in the Bible.
 
agent_grey said:
I have tried the personal relationship thing and found it to be bunk. I have personally come to the conclusion that them that claim to have such a thing are in fact delusional. Perhaps multiple personalities or maybe schizophrenic.

Every person I have ever met that makes such a claim also belives the bible as the inneranet word of God. One would have to be mentaly insane to actually belive the bible in its entirety is the innerant word of a holy being. The hole killem all man woman and child and keep the virgins thing kinda puts the conscience to the test. I sided with conscience.
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Agent,

Your conclusion is either based on personal experience, research, or both. Your personal conclusion suggests disatisfaction with those that you have encountered espousing this view. Those that are delusional, multiple personed and schizophrenic are ill. It suggests that you are adept at diagnosis or have encountered ill people regularly.

Every person you have met is not the entire of humanity. I am not so sure that you meant to say that the Bible, if believed to be the word of God would require lack of sanity. Your next thought about killing, man, woman and virgins causes me to question your thought process.

Could you elaborate as to what it is you are trying to say here?
 
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