Persons not receiving Eucharist at Mass

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What happens to persons attending Mass who do not receive the Eucharist for whatever reasons ie. spiritual communion only, discerning conversion, scrupulousity about confession, member of other Christian congregations, ignorance, lukewarmness, obliviousness, dutiful indifference, young children etc. Is grace operative on their minds, hearts and bodies?
 
What happens to persons attending Mass who do not receive the Eucharist for whatever reasons ie. spiritual communion only, discerning conversion, scrupulousity about confession, member of other Christian congregations, ignorance, lukewarmness, obliviousness, dutiful indifference, young children etc. Is grace operative on their minds, hearts and bodies?
While it is not the same as actually receiving Holy Communion, Spiritual Communion has its merits. I had the flu four years ago. It was back in October. I could not go to Mass and that upset me. However, since I could not sleep, I managed to catch the live broadcast of the closing Mass for th Synod on the Eucharist. While the Holy Father was distributing Holy Communion, I made a spiritual communion. Granted, it was not the same, but, it was comforting.

When I was much younger, the nuns at the school that I attended taught us the importance and virtues of making a spiritual communion, especially since we were too young to receive Our Lord. Those not receiving Holy Communion (for whatever reason) will still find profit and merit because it gives them some time for personal prayer and meditation.
 
What happens to persons attending Mass who do not receive the Eucharist for whatever reasons ie. spiritual communion only, discerning conversion, scrupulousity about confession, member of other Christian congregations, ignorance, lukewarmness, obliviousness, dutiful indifference, young children etc. Is grace operative on their minds, hearts and bodies?
**What is “dutiful indifference”?

Limerick**
 
Don’t know how old you are but “not receiving” communion use to be the norm. I was an altar boy in the 1960’s and if memory services me correctly about half, or more, of the people in the pews did NOT go up for communion. Standing there with the priest, I was able to observe that pretty clearly.

Not only did less people go to communion but the confession lines were normally much longer back then as well. So let’s look at what we got … before people went to confession MORE and received communion LESS while today people receive communion MORE but go to confession LESS.

Unless human nature has become a lot less sinful, this implies to me that either people before were too scrupulous or people today are not scrupulous enough or perhaps a combination of the two. What do others think?
 
**What is “dutiful indifference”?

Limerick**
Someone, usually a man or father, who attends a service with wife and children out of social obligation or duty to them while remaining indifferent to the faith and Church. This is usually a mixed marriage of a Catholic wife who married a non-Catholic husband. The children are raised Catholic.
 
So let’s look at what we got … before people went to confession MORE and received communion LESS while today people receive communion MORE but go to confession LESS.

Unless human nature has become a lot less sinful, this implies to me that either people before were too scrupulous or people today are not scrupulous enough or perhaps a combination of the two. What do others think?
My passage through the Church was a malformation of faith during the late 1970s into the mid 1980s. I would not classify myself as a “fallen away Catholic”, which implies something to fall off. Baptism and Confirmation were facts of faith, unsupported by catechisis. Now, after having heard and learned what had happened within the Church after Vatican II of 1960s, I have to consider that something was not right. If pre-Vatican II is really considered the Golden Age of faith, my mother and uncle would be still practicing the faith. Instead, she is aloof and indifferent to the faith; and, my uncle is the only overt religious in the family by adhering to some independent non-denominational congregation.
All of this is very confusing and frustrating. Your obversation about confession and communion is very interesting. I have heard bemoaning complaints about the disuse of Confession. Does this suggest improper understandings from false teachings before and after Vatican II? Was Vatican II meant to correct something beforehand? And did the correction go in the wrong direction to an opposite extreme? Such questions are only in the context of understanding the subject of this thread, and not meant to go off into debates on Vatican II. That would require a separate thread.
I would also be interested to know more about scrupulousity, if you can provide further insight. I probably suffer it.
 
Don’t know how old you are but “not receiving” communion use to be the norm. I was an altar boy in the 1960’s and if memory services me correctly about half, or more, of the people in the pews did NOT go up for communion. Standing there with the priest, I was able to observe that pretty clearly.

Not only did less people go to communion but the confession lines were normally much longer back then as well. So let’s look at what we got … before people went to confession MORE and received communion LESS while today people receive communion MORE but go to confession LESS.

Unless human nature has become a lot less sinful, this implies to me that either people before were too scrupulous or people today are not scrupulous enough or perhaps a combination of the two. What do others think?
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This is my experience as well. But those who remained in the pews during the 60s, and did not get in line for communion, remained kneeling and praying, not sitting on the bench and talking to each other or feeding their children Cheerios.

Limerick**
 
There are various reasons why someone might be at Mass and not receive communion. The ability to receive grace is dependent upon the state of one’s soul. At the very least the person would receive the call to conversion and union with the church. If the person did not receive because of illness or another non sinful reason they would receive more graces by being in Christs holy presence.

Just as if a sinful person would not receive God’s grace if they receive unworthily a sinful person such as myself two weeks ago sitting in the pew during communion time would only receive the grace to do penance and make things right with God.
 
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those who remained in the pews during the 60s, and did not get in line for communion, remained kneeling and praying, not sitting on the bench and talking to each other or feeding their children Cheerios.**
How very, Very, VERY true.
 
I was born into a very Catholic family but I was not raised Catholic (my mother isn’t Catholic). But when my aunts and uncles would visit, I’d go with them to Mass. I’ve been attending Masses with varying frequency since about 1968.

Before last year when I became a Catholic, I would stay seated in my pew and ask Jesus to give me the same graces as if I had just been administered Holy Communion along with the Catholics. When I became an adult, I realized, too, that there are many ways to “eat” using other senses than ingestion. You can “eat” with your eyes - and it registers in your brain as a visual experience, just as food registers in your brain as a nutrition experience. So, after many, many Masses including weekdays Masses for years, I believe that I was taking in Our Lord as much as others were, just in a different way. It seems impossible to me that Jesus, when asked to enter into someone’s heart as in Holy Communion, would refuse. This is likely the concept behind the “Spritual Communion”. I just didn’t use the traditional formula.

Last year, folks in my RCIA class used to whine and argue when told they were not allowed to receive Holy Communion. My husband used to wonder why I didn’t seem to mind, much less make a fuss about it. I went to many more Masses than my RCIA classmates did. I also made at least weekly Holy Hours. I received Our wonderful Lord and so I didn’t feel apart from Him at all. No whining necessary.
 
I was born into a very Catholic family but I was not raised Catholic (my mother isn’t Catholic). But when my aunts and uncles would visit, I’d go with them to Mass. I’ve been attending Masses with varying frequency since about 1968.

The Catholic faith for me was like being born into it by inheriting it through my maternal grandmother, and her mother who came over to United States in 1913. Church attendance was like eating vegetables at dinner, because it was good for you. No reasons were offered. It was more of a custom than a conviction. And when my father and grandfather would not go, this added more seeds of doubt. By time Confirmation came around, and formation of faith in catechism was nearly non existent, I experienced doubts about deserving something not understood. Confirmation was more like conformity to family and peers, who were undergoing the same rite of passage. Nobody quite understood it, much like who questions the robe and cap at high school and college graduations. Confirmation was a commencement for many to walk out the doors ill prepared to know anything of God and His purposes in this life. Many succumb to megachurches, cynicism and indifference. Suffering and confusion without meaning has a way to focus the mind to return to examine a family heirloom in the attic of the heart. This has really been a trial and temptation, especially when other self-professed Christians ask if a personal relationship with Jesus exists. I cannot possibly imagine if they know what they are asking if they understood the Eucharist. Instead, it fosters doubt and confusion as to the objectivity of truth amongst the subjectivity and relativism within religion itself.
 
All of the above entries have been very thoughtful and I wanted to add my recent experience to the discussion. Both my older sister and I are Catholic converts, she some 40 years ago and I 12 years ago. She converted when she married a Catholic man, and I as a result of a Spiritual Converson to the Faith I knew was the One Church which originated with Our Lord.
She lives on the opposite coast from me, so our visits with each other are quite infrequent. On my last visit to her, we went to Mass together. I hadn’t been Confessed recently, so I remained kneeling in prayer while she received Communion. Since this is such a personal decision, I was very surprised when she asked me after Mass why I didn’t Receive. I told her I felt I hadn’t been Confessed recently enough to Receive, but that I was still filled with the Grace of simply being in the True Presence of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist. She told me I was silly to feel that way and that everyone should receive Communion.
The problem with the post V-II Church has resulted in my local church not only not having a Communion Rail, they don’t even have a regularly scheduled Confession day/time! When I asked when Confession was held, I was told “by appointment.” Now, that’s a REAL SWELL way to discourage anyone from Confession! Needless to say, I resigned from that parish and am still looking for one within 50 miles of here that meets my spiritual needs.
 
I didn’t recieve communion last week because I had to go to confession, no one seemed to think much of it. I was somewhat embarrased, but I thought it was something every Catholic went through. Strange I only noticed one or two other people not recieve in a group of about 50 or so.
 
She told me I was silly to feel that way and that everyone should receive Communion
Refer her to 1 Cor. 11:27-30 where St. Paul writes that eating or drinking in an unworthy manner (when we are in a state of mortal sin) is the equivalent of profaning (literally, murdering) the body and blood of the Lord and is the sin of sacrilege. This is OFFICIALLY taught in Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 1, Article 1, SubSection 3, Heading 4, Paragraph 2120 of The Catechism of the Catholic Church.
 
Don’t know how old you are but “not receiving” communion use to be the norm. I was an altar boy in the 1960’s and if memory services me correctly about half, or more, of the people in the pews did NOT go up for communion. Standing there with the priest, I was able to observe that pretty clearly.

Not only did less people go to communion but the confession lines were normally much longer back then as well. So let’s look at what we got … before people went to confession MORE and received communion LESS while today people receive communion MORE but go to confession LESS.

Unless human nature has become a lot less sinful, this implies to me that either people before were too scrupulous or people today are not scrupulous enough or perhaps a combination of the two. What do others think?
This tallies exactly with my recollections of the 1950s as well. I was taught that you needed to be in the right spiritual state to receive communion and most took that seriously. Something was lost when we went from kneeling at the rail to filing up in a line.
 
I feel that the most precious thing that was lost when the kneeling rail was removed was Reverence for the Holy Eucharist. This then leads (as in my former church) to people of all ages coming to Mass wearing jeans, t-shirts with slogans, shorts, people chattering away in the pews, and a generalized lack of belief that they are in the True Presence.😦
 
I feel that the most precious thing that was lost when the kneeling rail was removed was Reverence for the Holy Eucharist. This then leads (as in my former church) to people of all ages coming to Mass wearing jeans, t-shirts with slogans, shorts, people chattering away in the pews, and a generalized lack of belief that they are in the True Presence.
 
For myself, I do not think twice about people not receiving the Eucharist at Mass. Really I do not even think about it once.

For one thing, it is really none of my business, for to do so would mean that I am placing a judgment on that person.

I think that when we do this we are really saying more about ourselves and our own issues than we are saying about that person.
 
For myself, I do not think twice about people not receiving the Eucharist at Mass. Really I do not even think about it once.

For one thing, it is really none of my business, for to do so would mean that I am placing a judgment on that person.

I think that when we do this we are really saying more about ourselves and our own issues than we are saying about that person.
I never intended to make a judgement by asking another question. I can see how it could be misinterpreted. I want to know the efficacy of the Mass and Eucharist on not receiving communion for the stated reasons. This respects St Paul’s admonition not to receive the sacrament unworthily. There are plenty of criticisms of Catholic politicans who do receive communion because of their political stances contrary to Catholic doctrine. The point of my question is the conversion of heart to eventually receive the Eucharist after discernment. Can spiritual communion at Mass help like sitting before the Tabernacle and Blessed Sacrament of Adoration? Maybe my question implies a spiritual radiation of grace.
 
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