Perverting the concept of love

[MrSylvester]

Hail Mary, full of grace,

Ok guys, this is something that has been bugging me a lot lately if only how stupid the whole facade is. Speaking someone who knows that gay people do suffer from same sex attraction but who doesn’t accept any pathetic excuse for them to lead a perverse lifestyle, I was very angry that a lot of them (but not all of them of course), in order to justify their perverse inclinations mix up normal loving relationship’s with people either from real life or fiction and say they are homosexual. In other words, they’re trying to turn normal love into something that isn’t unconditional love but into a sex driven fantasy. Let me give some examples:

The anime called Higurashi no naku koro ni has two girls, Satoko Hojo and Rika Furude living alone together in the same house. The show never even IMPLIES that they have any sexual attraction for each other yet it is obvious they love each other a lot and try to save each other’s life now and again yet some people call it a lesbian relationship despite the girls only being 9 to twelve years old. I’d dead serious here.

Then on this same forum, one guy even said that Naomi and Ruth’s and David and Jonathans relationship was homo-romantic (but not homosexual), you know, Ruth and Naomi who were in laws shared a lesbian relationship Give me a break. As for Jonathan and David, they cite that the Bible says that David loved Jonathan so it must mean they were gay. The Bible only meant that they loved each other in the same way best friends love each other. I loved my best friend before circumstances separated us yet I never thought of having sexual things with him or anything. Well all do.

What really drives me mad is the fact that nobody in fiction can do anything so great and loving for a friend without at some point being called gay. You see a picture of some girls sitting on the grass and you get comments implying that they are on a date, or a picture of two girls holding hands and smiling with some jackass saying in all seriousness that they are now going to get ‘married’ or something. Remember people: if you risk your life to save a friend a make him happy, it officially means you are only looking to extract sex from them.

What do you guys think? Its just bugs me the way some people think. We almost never hear people calling leaders of gay communities out for not really helping homosexuals by directing them pacify their sexual passions instead of extracting sex from them. I don’t want friends, be they straight or gay, men or women, to only look at me and expect me to give them carnal pleasure because it’s selfish and you show that you only care about your own pleasure and not the dignity and honor of another person. People with same sex attractions should be told that lusting after another person isn’t good just as sexually fantasizing about any person is a bad thing. They should be told that just because you want another person to be happy it doesn’t mean that they are homosexual and shouldn’t call themselves that, the rules of the world and the homophobic war cry be damned. There is no such thing as a sexual destiny (if that was a plot point in some movie, it’d be laughed out of cinemas) and that they should look and examine their feelings to see if they really do care about the personal happiness of their crush. You know, things which heterosexual people should do but many of them don’t because they care more about the celebrations and the romantic aspect of marriage instead of its foundation (read: the foundation of marriage is mutual love between husband and wife which produces the family).

 

[Alder]

Ok guys, this is something that has been bugging me a lot lately if only how stupid the whole facade is. Speaking someone who knows that gay people do suffer from same sex attraction but who doesn’t accept any pathetic excuse for them to lead a perverse lifestyle, I was very angry that a lot of them (but not all of them of course), in order to justify their perverse inclinations mix up normal loving relationship’s with people either from real life or fiction and say they are homosexual. In other words, they’re trying to turn normal love into something that isn’t unconditional love but into a sex driven fantasy. Let me give some examples:

The anime called Higurashi no naku koro ni has two girls, Satoko Hojo and Rika Furude living alone together in the same house. The show never even IMPLIES that they have any sexual attraction for each other yet it is obvious they love each other a lot and try to save each other’s life now and again yet some people call it a lesbian relationship despite the girls only being 9 to twelve years old. I’d dead serious here.

You have encountered a phenomenon known as “shipping”. As someone who has read way too much fanfiction I can tell you that it’s definitely not unique to yuri fangirls (or boys).

What really drives me mad is the fact that nobody in fiction can do anything so great and loving for a friend without at some point being called gay. You see a picture of some girls sitting on the grass and you get comments implying that they are on a date, or a picture of two girls holding hands and smiling with some jackass saying in all seriousness that they are now going to get ‘married’ or something. Remember people: if you risk your life to save a friend a make him happy, it officially means you are only looking to extract sex from them.

So when two people get married they’re “only looking to extract sex” ? Why would you get married if you only wanted sex?

What do you guys think? Its just bugs me the way some people think. We almost never hear people calling leaders of gay communities out for not really helping homosexuals by directing them pacify their sexual passions instead of extracting sex from them. I don’t want friends, be they straight or gay, men or women, to only look at me and expect me to give them carnal pleasure because it’s selfish and you show that you only care about your own pleasure and not the dignity and honor of another person. People with same sex attractions should be told that lusting after another person isn’t good just as sexually fantasizing about any person is a bad thing. They should be told that just because you want another person to be happy it doesn’t mean that they are homosexual and shouldn’t call themselves that, the rules of the world and the homophobic war cry be damned. There is no such thing as a sexual destiny (if that was a plot point in some movie, it’d be laughed out of cinemas) and that they should look and examine their feelings to see if they really do care about the personal happiness of their crush. You know, things which heterosexual people should do but many of them don’t because they care more about the celebrations and the romantic aspect of marriage instead of its foundation (read: the foundation of marriage is mutual love between husband and wife which produces the family).

I think this is some of the most confusing stuff I have ever read. I honestly think you’re trolling.

First you say that same-sex attraction is just lust.

Helping homosexuals by directing them pacify their sexual passions instead of extracting sex from them. I don’t want friends, be they straight or gay, men or women, to only look at me and expect me to give them carnal pleasure because it’s selfish and you show that you only care about your own pleasure and not the dignity and honor of another person.

But then you imply that same-sex attraction can take a form other than lust

They should be told that just because you want another person to be happy it doesn’t mean that they are homosexual and shouldn’t call themselves that, the rules of the world and the homophobic war cry be damned

Isn’t wanting someone else’s happiness…well…unselfish?

 

[jochoa]

What do you guys think?

You definitely have some passionate feelings! And many of your points are good. However, please gently consider the following:

God defines Love as: (1 Corinthians 13:4) Love is patient, Love is kind.

Recognize that:
Since impatience causes the loss of peace, then patience maintains peace. And kindness causes happiness, as well as restores peace after an impatient act.
Therefore, anything outside of patience, kindness, peace and happiness is not love.

And since God is telling us that the greatest thing to do in life is to Love, then He wants us to experience happiness without anyone ever losing peace.

Now ask yourself, how many people pervert the concept of love, and do we ourselves pervert the concept of love?

 

[Justinian_III]

Isn’t wanting someone else’s happiness…well…unselfish?

No, it isn’t necessarily. Someone can be happy if they’re addicted to pornography. Would it not be loving then to try to reprimand them in some way? They would not be happy afterwards. Not always. But it would be the right thing to stop them.

 

[Alder]

No, it isn’t necessarily. Someone can be happy if they’re addicted to pornography. Would it not be loving then to try to reprimand them in some way? They would not be happy afterwards. Not always. But it would be the right thing to stop them.

You’re taking my post out of context.

 

[PeterGStanley]

Some people link Love directly to the sexual act which is false - that’s not love.Love is way beyond that and covers life in so many different ways.Lets not confuse Love with the sexual act.I go even further and say that the love that Jesus speaks of and St Paul has nothing to do with romance or sex.

 

[MrSylvester]

You have encountered a phenomenon known as “shipping”. As someone who has read way too much fanfiction I can tell you that it’s definitely not unique to yuri fangirls (or boys).

Shipping two young girls in a homosexual relationship with all the lust is still sick and wrong.

So when two people get married they’re “only looking to extract sex” ? Why would you get married if you only wanted sex?

My sentence which was obviously written in a sarcastic tone simply meant that the majority of homosexuals don’t get married and if they do, its wrong because unlike a husband and wife, they can’t produce children, they are not fit to bring children up because they’d confuse their sexuality and development, not to mention their morals, and two peopleof the same sex don’t benefit from the well, benefits that the marriage of two people of diffirent sexes benefit from.

I think this is some of the most confusing stuff I have ever read. I honestly think you’re trolling.

People always say that.

But then you imply that same-sex attraction can take a form other than lust

No, I specifically said that loving some one of the same sex and haivng a deep friendhsip with them does NOT mean that someoneis gay AT ALL. Same sex attraction is nothing but lust as it only admires the body of a person of the same sex. It doesn’t necessarilly mean that one cares about the person in question, least of all in all these gay communities.

Isn’t wanting someone else’s happiness…well…unselfish?

It depends. As one guy said above, a person will be appy checking pornography yet his happiness is only temporal; in reality, he is doing nothing short of pathethic because he is so spineless he can’t control his lust. The same with same sex ‘marriage’: we oppose it for a variety of reasons, such as the fact that children brought up in such households will have their sexuality confused growing up, the fact that a gay couple does not share the mutual benefits two people of diffirent sexes give each other (there is a reason books detailing how men and women should act in romantic relationships exist you know), the fact that the majority of homosexuals don’t really marry and that half of them have a lot of sexual antics during their life (frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

 

[Alder]

Shipping two young girls in a homosexual relationship with all the lust is still sick and wrong.

Let me see if I understand your first post correctly. You seem to think that portraying two characters in a romantic (or sexual) relationship in a waff (or a lemon), where they weren’t in the canon, is something unique homosexuals, Or is a specific trait of homosexuality.

You do realise that’s clearly false don’t you? If you don’t believe me google search shinji x rei and you’ll understand.

My sentence which was obviously written in a sarcastic tone simply meant that the majority of homosexuals don’t get married and if they do, its wrong because unlike a husband and wife, they can’t produce children, they are not fit to bring children up because they’d confuse their sexuality and development, not to mention their morals, and two peopleof the same sex don’t benefit from the well, benefits that the marriage of two people of diffirent sexes benefit from.

That’s nice…but it’s not really relevant to the topic…

People always say that.

I’m sorry. I find your writing style difficult to understand.

No, I specifically said that loving some one of the same sex and having a deep friendhsip with them does NOT mean that someoneis gay AT ALL. Same sex attraction is nothing but lust as it only admires the body of a person of the same sex. It doesn’t necessarilly mean that one cares about the person in question, least of all in all these gay communities.

Look, waff isn’t written because people don’t understand that you can love someone of the same or opposite sex without having sexual feelings for them. It’s written to fulfill the desires of the fans. Nothing more.

It depends. As one guy said above, a person will be appy checking pornography yet his happiness is only temporal; in reality, he is doing nothing short of pathethic because he is so spineless he can’t control his lust. The same with same sex ‘marriage’: we oppose it for a variety of reasons, such as the fact that children brought up in such households will have their sexuality confused growing up, the fact that a gay couple does not share the mutual benefits two people of diffirent sexes give each other (there is a reason books detailing how men and women should act in romantic relationships exist you know), the fact that the majority of homosexuals don’t really marry and that half of them have a lot of sexual antics during their life

Again, nice… but not really relevant…

 

[MrSylvester]

Let me see if I understand your first post correctly. You seem to think that portraying two characters in a romantic (or sexual) relationship in a waff (or a lemon), where they weren’t in the canon, is something unique homosexuals, Or is a specific trait of homosexuality.

You do realise that’s clearly false don’t you? If you don’t believe me google search shinji x rei and you’ll understand.

That’s nice…but it’s not really relevant to the topic…

I’m sorry. I find your writing style difficult to understand.

Look, waff isn’t written because people don’t understand that you can love someone of the same or opposite sex without having sexual feelings for them. It’s written to fulfill the desires of the fans. Nothing more.

Again, nice… but not really relevant…

I am not complaining specifically about waff, I am complaining about the silly mindset many people, homosexual and ehterosexual incldued, have about the concept oflove. They confuse sexual desires with love when they are totally diffirent and it is obviously found outsideof things like fanfiction and what not. Thats what I meant from my post.

 

[Alder]

I am not complaining specifically about waff, I am complaining about the silly mindset many people, homosexual and ehterosexual incldued, have about the concept oflove. They confuse sexual desires with love when they are totally diffirent and it is obviously found outsideof things like fanfiction and what not.

You don’t give an example of what you mean by “confusing sexual desires with love” outside of fanfiction. And waff isn’t a good example.

Thats what I meant from my post.

Could you give a different example?

 

[MrSylvester]

You don’t give an example of what you mean by “confusing sexual desires with love” outside of fanfiction. And waff isn’t a good example.

Could you give a different example?

First there is theobvious example of homosexuality and homosexual ‘marriage’ being lookedupon as one and the same thing as love when it isn’t. Homosexuality is simply lust after a person of the same sex and lust doesn’tultimately mean love. Homosexual communities want people to acknowledge their practices as good and pure when with their promiscuity, flamboyant behaviour (don’t tell me parading half naked in front of the whole city just to show off your body is not flamboyant or that it so isn’t a sign that one is insecure about his own sexuality. Hell, there are gay people who would never do such things just because they know they do not want to look like total idiots) and lack of concern for how children are brought up, they show that they really don’tdesire anything good.

They want us to accept homosexual parenting as good for children and bringup some absolutely idiotic, fixed, biased and utterly flawed ‘studies’ that ‘show’ that it is true,whilst ignoring more reliable studies which contradict their very claims. They expect that children will not feel the desire to have a parent of the same sex whilst growing up (like Rosie O Donnells son) or that children will not want to have a closer encounter with people of a diffirent sex jsut to see what they are like (for more, see here and here: narth.com/docs/does.html ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ZSSADOPT.HTM

 

[Alder]

First there is theobvious example of homosexuality and homosexual ‘marriage’ being lookedupon as one and the same thing as love when it isn’t. Homosexuality is simply lust after a person of the same sex and lust doesn’tultimately mean love.

If you mean love as in caring deeply for the welfare of someone than it seems obvious to me that homosexual couples experience this.

It’s seems hard to believe that gay people want hospital visitation rights just so they can have sex when the nurses aren’t watching.

Wouldn’t the more likely explanation be that they, well, actually love their partners?

Homosexual communities want people to acknowledge their practices as good and pure when with their promiscuity, flamboyant behaviour (don’t tell me parading half naked in front of the whole city just to show off your body is not flamboyant or that it so isn’t a sign that one is insecure about his own sexuality. Hell, there are gay people who would never do such things just because they know they do not want to look like total idiots) and lack of concern for how children are brought up, they show that they really don’tdesire anything good.They want us to accept homosexual parenting as good for children and bringup some absolutely idiotic, fixed, biased and utterly flawed ‘studies’ that ‘show’ that it is true,whilst ignoring more reliable studies which contradict their very claims. They expect that children will not feel the desire to have a parent of the same sex whilst growing up (like Rosie O Donnells son) or that children will not want to have a closer encounter with people of a diffirent sex jsut to see what they are like (for more, see here and here: narth.com/docs/does.html ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ZSSADOPT.HTM

Dude you keep going on tangents. It seems like there is a lot you want to say; but please try and stay on topic.

 

[MrSylvester]

If you mean love as in caring deeply for the welfare of someone than it seems obvious to me that homosexual couples experience this.

It’s seems hard to believe that gay people want hospital visitation rights just so they can have sex when the nurses aren’t watching.

Wouldn’t the more likely explanation be that they, well, actually love their partners?

Dude you keep going on tangents. It seems like there is a lot you want to say; but please try and stay on topic.

No, I’m not going on tangents, I have given my reasons why I think homosexuals cannot marry and even though they may visit each other in hospital, everyone does that and it doesn’t make their ‘union’ any less bad because whilst peopleof the same sex should love each other like friends, they can’t marry because they are not fit to raise a child and same sex unions do not share the same sort of love that true heterosexual unions share. I can state them but right this moment, I won’t jsutto avoid confusion.

 

[Alder]

No, I’m not going on tangents, I have given my reasons why I think homosexuals cannot marry and even though they may visit each other in hospital, everyone does that and it doesn’t make their ‘union’ any less bad

Okay. But the fact that same sex unions are immoral does not mean that homosexuality is “just lust”.

There are plenty of non-homosexual immoral relationships that involve love. For example, a boss may date an employee, thus creating a conflict of interest. But does that mean that they don’t love each other just because their relationship creates a conflict of interest?

because whilst peopleof the same sex should love each other like friends, they can’t marry because they are not fit to raise a child

THIS ARGUMENT ISN’T EVEN ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE OR GAY ADOPTION YET YOU CONTINUE TO BRING IT UP.

So yes. You are going on tangents.

and same sex unions do not share the same sort of love that true heterosexual unions share. I can state them but right this moment, I won’t jsutto avoid confusion.

You’ve given me no reason to believe this.

I’ve given you a real life example (hospital visitation) suggesting homosexual relationships are based on something other than lust (i.e., love). You’ve completely failed to address my example.

You must be using a highly using an idiosyncratic definition of love.

 

[MrSylvester]

Okay. But the fact that same sex unions are immoral does not mean that homosexuality is “just lust”.

There are plenty of non-homosexual immoral relationships that involve love. For example, a boss may date an employee, thus creating a conflict of interest. But does that mean that they don’t love each other just because their relationship creates a conflict of interest?



THIS ARGUMENT ISN’T EVEN ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE OR GAY ADOPTION YET YOU CONTINUE TO BRING IT UP.

So yes. You are going on tangents.

You’ve given me no reason to believe this.

I’ve given you a real life example (hospital visitation) suggesting homosexual relationships are based on something other than lust (i.e., love). You’ve completely failed to address my example.

You must be using a highly using an idiosyncratic definition of love.

Homosexuality does not make someone visit their friend in hospital. It is completely seperate from love because homosexuality isn’t really a sexual orientation: it is simplelsut. Google the Kinsey scale and Heterosexual–homosexual continuum. In my opinion, its not a question of how gay or straight a person is: its a question of how willing someone will go to achieve sexual pleasure. Homosexuality is a sexualorientation in the same way pedophilia and bi-sexuality are a sexual orientation. Note: I’m not saying that gays are as bad as pedophiles, far from it as it would insult people with same sex attraction who struggle to keep their chastity. So much so that even the straightest of men will have sex with a person of the same sex if they are sufficiently perverted.

Of course, I’m talking about sex here. Just because someone never had a good experience with girlfriends all his life and finds a male friend who is totally chaste and helps him bail out of his problems in life does not mean that the two of them share a homosexual relationship. Much like Shinji and Kaworu’s relationship in Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Now, what is the diffirence ebtween same sex unions and heterosexual unions? Read here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_feminism#Theory

 

[Alder]

Homosexuality does not make someone visit their friend in hospital. It is completely seperate from love because homosexuality isn’t really a sexual orientation: it is simplelsut.

Homosexuality isn’t an orientation? Well that’s news to me. You seem fond of linking wikipedia articles. Maybe you should actually look at the wikipedia definition of sexual orientation. Tell me if homosexuality is considered an orientation.

Google the Kinsey scale and Heterosexual–homosexual continuum.

So a scale often used to evaluate someone’s sexual orientation…proves homosexuality isn’t an orientation? You must be trolling.

In my opinion, its not a question of how gay or straight a person is: its a question of how willing someone will go to achieve sexual pleasure. Homosexuality is a sexualorientation in the same way pedophilia and bi-sexuality are a sexual orientation.

Actually paedophilia is paraphilia and has nothing to do with “how willing someone will go to achieve sexual pleasure”. It’s clear from statements like these you lack even a basic understanding of this topic.

So much so that even the straightest of men will have sex with a person of the same sex if they are sufficiently perverted.

Lol. Are you just making this up?

Of course, I’m talking about sex here. Just because someone never had a good experience with girlfriends all his life and finds a male friend who is totally chaste and helps him bail out of his problems in life does not mean that the two of them share a homosexual relationship. Much like Shinji and Kaworu’s relationship in Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Now, what is the diffirence ebtween same sex unions and heterosexual unions? Read here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_feminism#Theory

Oh look. More tangents.