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I donlt think anyone was saying that. But if you raise animals for food you have to feed and shelter them and other care as well. Same with working animals or animals as pets.
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Umm no but considering the fact that potatos are plants why should I? Also I donlt cry over my meat either. And that’;s fine that you aren;t emotional over animals… but it is also fine for people to be emotional for them too.then i suppose we disagree, i just cant find a justification when it comes to animals. i would agree on firefighters, but their equipment should be bought with tax money, though sometimes its not.
i have emotions, i think…(im doing the robot)
im just not emotional over animals.
they are food, do you cry over your mashed taters?
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That’s an interesting comment-
As everything comes from God, you can’t ignore that God’s gifts of life and food are given to animals and humans alike.
That’s not to say that God places equal value on humans and animals, of course- but that God does place SOME value on animals that is greater than the value you place on animals. Furthermore, as He obviously doesn’t need them for food or labor, it is clear that God places a higher value on animals than you do.
That being said, human beings benefit from showing kindness and compassion toward animals because there is grace in the very act of kindness and compassion toward God’s creation.
Additionally, you have to consider that most shelters are intended to help domesticated animals- most of which would either not exist or not be in their helpless condition were it not for a lack of proper stewardship over creation. Helping animals in this way is simply making amends for how the irresponsible actions of others have negatively impacted God’s creation.
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happymommy
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said:I suppose I could shed a tear over a bad potato, they really stink
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AngelAshley
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Why do humans deserve priority treatment over animals? What makes us so special? Because we’re supposedly more intelligent? Does that mean people with higher IQs should have priority of medical treatment and housing etc. to those with lower IQs?
Humans fight, we wage wars, we argue over whos god is the right one, we pollute our own world… we’re a pretty aweful species in the grand sceme of things. Animals on the other hand… not exempt from these bad things but all the same, many of the bad things animals do (killing each other for example) they do for survival, not because they are self-reichous idots like we humans are.
We’ve taken over the planet from many of the other species we share it with. In my oppinion, we have a huge debt to the animal kingdom.
Humans fight, we wage wars, we argue over whos god is the right one, we pollute our own world… we’re a pretty aweful species in the grand sceme of things. Animals on the other hand… not exempt from these bad things but all the same, many of the bad things animals do (killing each other for example) they do for survival, not because they are self-reichous idots like we humans are.
We’ve taken over the planet from many of the other species we share it with. In my oppinion, we have a huge debt to the animal kingdom.
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Their was perhaps a little to much venom in my first post and for that i appolagies. I didnt mean to say that the catholic church doesnt do a LOT of charitble work because i know this to not be the case.
However the church is one of the wealthiest on the planet. If it cared on a serious level about alleviating the burden on homeless people it could get rid of most of that wealth to do so.
I was in Poland resently and some of the churches their where magnificant however on many of the streets their was people out in the snow without proper cloathing or shelter. Woudn’t it be more christan to sell of the wealth of these churches, and have them as basic and spartan as possible so that the homless people could live a life in at leaste a little comfort.
Untill such a time as the catholic church gives everything but the pews and alter up for sale for the homless i think its a little bit hypocrytical to say giving to an animal charity is immoral.
However the church is one of the wealthiest on the planet. If it cared on a serious level about alleviating the burden on homeless people it could get rid of most of that wealth to do so.
I was in Poland resently and some of the churches their where magnificant however on many of the streets their was people out in the snow without proper cloathing or shelter. Woudn’t it be more christan to sell of the wealth of these churches, and have them as basic and spartan as possible so that the homless people could live a life in at leaste a little comfort.
Untill such a time as the catholic church gives everything but the pews and alter up for sale for the homless i think its a little bit hypocrytical to say giving to an animal charity is immoral.
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They already exist.
St Luke’s Mission of Mercy
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St. Luke's Mission Of Mercy is a Roman Catholic Mission in the inner city of Buffalo, New York. This community, consisting of Amy Betros and Norm Paolini, Co-Founders and Co-Directors, and 15 full time lay missionaries, strive to live the Gospel message of God's great love and mercy for all His children through service to His poor and broken. This service is carried out through living the Corporal and Spiritual works of mercy. The community strives to proclaim, through the grace of the Holy Spirit, the goodness and greatness of God and His great love and mercy for all people in everything they think, say and do.
St. Luke's Mission of Mercy does not receive money from the government or the diocese. Trusting in God's Divine Providence, the ministry depends on donations, both big and small, of many individuals who give generously from what God has blessed them with so that others may live. God, in His goodness, continues to bless the work of the Mission by inspiring those who have to share with those who do not.
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Squishy
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Things like that are really heart warming, and in my first post i didnt mean to insinuate the the catholic church doesnt do fantatsic works of charity. But it could do far more. So untill such a time as it puts all its considerable resorces into such an undertaking then its not really right for people to claim its immoral for animal welfare charitys to exist.
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Highwayhound
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We pay the heating bills. If I did not pay the bill my dogs (Star and Happy) would not have a warm dry place to live.
We put the food in the bowl. Example: Windows the Cat likes to sit outside the window watching what goes on inside the house. If I go out the door she scatters and hides. The only exception is in the morning when I fill up the food dish. Then I can pick her up and pet her (but not too long). Simple actions which tell the story.
Well, when I type you can readily understand my typing, but if I let Hunter the Cat have a turn at the keyboard it would probably look like: q34t9p8 g7pha 3h;brf0
You pose an interesting questions. From many sources I am told God did not create the world and man, and instead it was evolution through which man developed. If this is the case which groups of humans are lower on the evolutionary scale? However, then I am told we are all equal. Which is it? I look at people as having equal value. What is your view?
Which grand scheme are you referencing?
When this point is brought up I point out that if chickens were big enough you and I would be chicken food, no doubt about it. The chicken would not think twice about it, but you and I can think about it and act to make life better.
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Contarini
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I don’t think you can argue this way. There are a lot of moral causes to which we can give money. If we try to narrow it down to just one that is the single most important, we would drastically reduce the total amount people give to charity rather than actually helping anyone that much more.
The fact is that you have no grounds for criticizing someone for doing more than one good thing. What matters is that they are trying to do good. You don’t know that the people who give to PETA don’t also give to charity directed toward humans (if they don’t you would have a point). You don’t know that they give as much to PETA as they do to these other charities.
If one follows your logic, it is immoral to spend anything at all on oneself (beyond the bare necessities) until all humans *and *animals are taken care of. It is immoral to spend any time enjoying yourself or doing anything not strictly necessary, because all that extra time should be spent doing volunteer work.
If you don’t live by these principles, then you haven’t a leg to stand on and are just trying to make a tendentious ideological point with no logical basis and no moral credibility.
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Contarini
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I agree. But this isn’t a reason why the Church should strip itself of beauty–it’s a reason why the OP’s argument was bogus from the start.
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buffalo
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Huh? The Church has to be perfect in charity before it can make the claim? The truth is the truth no matter whether the hearers meet the proposition.
Think about it this way - every dollar given to “pets” is a potential dollar not available to help the poor. If every home that had a pet gave these dollars directly to charity imagine what it would do.
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Cristiano
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Right now the Catholic Church as a whole is operating in the red. It is giving out more than it is receiving, and it is selling some of its assets around the world. The Church is the people.
If people (Catholics or any other religion) decide to donate less to charities than they could give because the choose to have pets or to give to animal charities, then it is a broader social problem and not just a Catholic one.
Do you, personally, live a destitute life just because you share all of your money with your brothers in need?
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Squishy
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Of course i don’t. But neither do i make sweeping claims that pet charitys are immoral while living the life that i do.
I personaly do not believe that the church should be destitute. But a catholic saying that animal charitys are immoral, while churches are empty and locked at night is plain foolishness. Just as a priest standing in front of his priceless stainedglass windows, gold candlesticks telling the same thing is the hight of hypocrisy.
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I guess that we have different priorities. My priorities are based on my beliefs as a Christian and they are:
1- Worship of God,
2- Love of the neighbor
3- animals
By the way, the Churches used to be unlocked at night, but now things are different because of the secular and/or anti-Catholic attitude that turned into destruction of property and constant thefts.
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Squishy
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What does worship to god entail ?
Because while my prioritys are drasticly different i do not believe that people should be sleeping on the streets why churches sit locked and empty at nights. Now i know this is not the case everywhere, but i would wager that its the case in most places. Tell me what is moral and christian about that ?
I do help the homless in everyway that i can when i can. Not because of any relgious duty but because i would hope that if i was ever in the same situation the same would be done in return.
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buffalo
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I think we should take it a step further.** Each of us** have room for a homeless person. What is moral and Christian about that?
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Cristiano
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You have an utilitarian approach based on self interest, and it is your choice. If my actions were just defined by self interest and not by religious beliefs I would probably be an immoral person with complete disregard for the others. In the long run I would be much more effective in obtaining a nice lifestyle. Quite a few people live that way.
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buffalo
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That is the belief of many. Selfless love is unknown to them. Great post.
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