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that was the entire idea when i posted the OP
yeah, at least once a week, some little old lady with 15 cats in an apartment is in the news.
i have a friend that cries at the sara mclachlan peta commercial, but has no emotional response to commercials of starving children in africa.
i confronted her once and she said that animals here should be taken care of before we worry about people elsewhere.
what a complete perversion of humanity.
You do realize, though, that if a person finds the company of certain animals to be better and more fulfilling than the company of humans, and the worth of their lives to be superior, you’re not doing a terribly good job of changing their minds to the contrary? Certainly, the deeper I go into this thread, the better I like my dog, and the less inclined I am to truckle to your societal priorities.
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as the animals-are-just-as-important-as-human crowd is based entirely on projection, and emotions, i didn’t expect to change their minds.
its a belief based not on logic and evidence but on emotions. without evidence
but i think that its important to point out the immorality of resources that should go to the welfare of humans, being used on animals.
i hope to marshall a little bit of logic in defense of pro-people morality.
changing minds isn’t the goal, exposing immorality is.
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warpspeedpetey;4902055:
“Truckle”…?
I think I’d truckle to the idea of sharing some good BBQ & conversation with warpspeedpetey over on that bayou…I’ll bring along my dog, too.
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Well, I didn’t THINK animals were as important as humans. Just saying you’ve put me on the fence.
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Le Cracquere;4902520:
ok, what do we need?warpspeedpetey;4902055:
“Truckle”…?
I think I’d truckle to the idea of sharing some good BBQ & conversation with warpspeedpetey over on that bayou…
poles, crickets, BBQ, lantern, chairs, boat to check a trot line, hot dogs, tents for everybodys kids…etc,etc,etc
if we forget something then my house ain’t 2 blocks from the mississippi levee!
last time i was home we we spent the weekend on bayou bartholomew, in between the kids, womenfolk, dogs, and general passerbys, i still caught 35 bream that weekend!
i had to go back to the bait shop twice!
we know how to throw a hootenanny down!
break out them fiddles!
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im sorry, but i suppose your just telling me you dont like the way i talk. if thats the case why bother to post it? i aint gonna change my mind. right and wrong aint no popularity contest.
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Le_Cracquere
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Glad to hear it–you’d certainly be out of luck if it were! Truth is, I disagree with your points on substantive grounds, which others have offered before me. But let’s assume that you are the repository for truth that you think yourself: a man has done the truth no favours if his presentation of it all but guarantees a reaction into error. And to introduce what you take to be right with no intention or wish to persuade is a pernicious kind of falsehood, far worse in its effects than a flat mistake. You offer what you take to be true not like a man raising a banner before other men, but like a child turning a magnifying glass on ants (in fact, it seems to be you whose attitude towards animals has infected your attitude towards humans!). However many merits your arguments have–and I think them few–you have served the cause of falsity.
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thanks for telling me you dont like me, i was worried ther for a minute
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Cracker Mom;4902580:
Sounds good. I’ll get my son to bring his banjo to play along with those fiddles.Do you all have Cheerwine out there?
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If you look back over my posts and read carefully, you will notice that I have nowhere claimed that humans are ‘no different’ to other animals. My claim is simply that other animals are just as etitled to compassion and consideration of their welfare as are humans.
The fact is that the human brain has evolved into greater complexity than the brains of many other animals. We have the ability to be self-aware, and perhaps even more importantly, we have the ability to mentally project our feelings and needs onto others. This is largely what prompts us to compassion. You might be familiar with the phrase, “there but for the grace of God go I”, and I would assume everyone on this forum is familiar with the commandment to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. The basic idea behind these words is that we can draw inferences, based upon our own feelings, as to what another person needs, or would need in a particular situation. We can imagine ourselves in other people’s shoes, figuratively speaking.
Some people take this further and recognise our kinship with other animals. Yes, humans evolved from other species. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that other animals have the capacity for emotional responses, based on our fundamental kinship to other animals. Emotions are more primitive cognitive functions than intellectual processes. Those who condemn “projection” of emotions onto animals fail to see the rationality inherent in doing this. An animal that looks like it is fearful, probably is fearful; an animal that is exhibiting symptoms of pain is, in all likelihood, experiencing pain; an animal that goes through the motions of happiness, anger or grief is almost certainly experiencing those feelings. The only thing that makes a lot of people deny the possibility of this is the delusion that humans are somehow more “special” than other animals - that we are separate from them, and marked out for a special destiny. However, while these folks are busy being special snowflakes, many other people are actually interested in observing and learning about the other creatures with whom we share the planet.
My point is that because humans are capable of more complex cognitive functions than most other animals, we are able to recognise the needs of creatures other than ourselves, and we are able to formulate things like ethical codes around the notion that it is good to meet the needs of others where possible. There is no reason this recognition and the resulting thought and action should be limited only to other humans. There is nothing wrong with feeling that humans have responsibilities and obligations towards the rest of the earth’s inhabitants. It’s our world too, and anything that happens here ultimately affects all of us. This is quite clearly not the same as saying that humans are no different from other animals. Might as well say a blue whale is no different to a mouse.
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whats it made from?, we make barrels of muscadine wine, and some different fruit wines, but i haven’t heard of cheerwine.Cracker Mom;4902580:
Sounds good. I’ll get my son to bring his banjo to play along with those fiddles.Do you all have Cheerwine out there?
a friend of mine has 250 acres on the river side of the levee, and he has a few arbors of muscadine, some fancy fruit trees, and a few other kinds of grapes.
we make barrels of wine in the kitchen, im the official grape grinder!
but cheerwine is a new one on me.
bring the banjos, im partial to bluegrass
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Perhaps you’d care to assist us lesser mortals with your explanation of what qualifies as a rational argument. Far as I can see, I and others have been forwarding reasoned arguments, with evidence, and it just slides off you like you were oil-slicked.
Well, no-one could accuse you of adopting the spoonful-of-sugar approach. And as for mistaking you for a “touchy feely metrosexual type dude”…um, no. All the evidence - that thing you like to ignore - suggested otherwise. Even without the stereotyped redneck-speak…
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Cheerwine’s just a Southern soft drink.Kind of like cherry cola but better.I think it’s made up in N.Carolina.warpspeedpetey;4902870:
whats it made from?, we make barrels of muscadine wine, and some different fruit wines, but i haven’t heard of cheerwine.
a friend of mine has 250 acres on the river side of the levee, and he has a few arbors of muscadine, some fancy fruit trees, and a few other kinds of grapes.
we make barrels of wine in the kitchen, im the official grape grinder!
but cheerwine is a new one on me.
bring the banjos, im partial to bluegrass
We have muscadine’s, too.
Here’s a “pet peeve” of my own: where did this “adoption” silliness creep in when referring to acquiring a dog or cat? I love my dog but am surely not his mom.
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oh… we dont have that at home, i lived right on the mississppi river about 20-25 miles from the lousiana line, in arkansas. whats called the mississippi delta.
do you still get rc cola? i aint seen it in quite awhile.
Here’s a “pet peeve” of my own: where did this “adoption” silliness creep in when referring to acquiring a dog or cat? I love my dog but am surely not his mom.
its langauge designed to pull. on the heart strings, implies a responsibility for a stray, that doesnt exist. at least thats my take.
the cats around here all think they are in charge anyway,
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warpspeedpetey
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Perhaps you’d care to assist us lesser mortals with your explanation of
more derision…
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Cracker_Mom
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We still have RC Cola but the last time I bought some it didn’t taste as good as I remembered.Maybe because everyone’s using corn syrup instead of cane sugar?Don’t know. I bought my son an RC Cola & a Moonpie for old time’s sake.Do you all drop salted peanuts in Coke, too?
Cats always think they’re in charge
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We still have RC Cola but the last time I bought some it didn’t taste as good as I remembered.Maybe because everyone’s using corn syrup instead of cane sugar?Don’t know. I bought my son an RC Cola & a Moonpie for old time’s sake.
probably, ive been addicted to diet coke for a number of years now. it doesnt do justice to a moonpie.
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