Peter and Cephas in Galatians 2:7-14

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Some of the Early Church Fathers believed that they were 2 different people.

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Excerpts from the above quoted article is the following:

"Fr. Pujol’s thesis is reinforced by such observations as the following:
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* Whether the dispute at Antioch between Paul and Cephas occurred before or after the Council of Jerusalem, it was chronologically impossible that Peter could have been there at either time.

* The assumption that Peter and Cephas were the same person is dependent upon the Antioch incident occurring after the Council of Jerusalem (with Peter strangely subverting the Council's decree for which he was largely instrumental in obtaining). The fact is that the Antioch incident must have taken place before the Council of Jerusalem at a time, however, when Peter could not have been present in Antioch.

* If the "New American Bible" (NAB) is correct in stating that the James of Gal. 2:9 – "James and Cephas and John" – could not have been the Apostle James the Less, why jump equally to the conclusion that the Cephas in the passage was the Apostle Peter, or that "John" was the Apostle? Moreover, "reputed to be pillars" is a strange expression to apply to Apostles whose role as foundations of the Church was indisputable. The expression rather smacks of irony as applied by Paul to his three Judaizing opponents.

* The word-order of personages (in I Cor. 1:11-13 and 3:21) further militates against Cephas' identification with Peter whose primacy as first and chief of the Apostles would ordinarily have received due recognition.

* Both I Cor. 9:15 and I Cor 15:5 are better interpreted as viewing "Cephas" as someone distinct from the Apostles.

* The common opinion identifying Peter and Cephas has been based on the supposition that the name Cephas was borne by only one person in history, Simon Peter. The name Kepa (Kephas or Cephas) was surely more common than has been thought. Fr. Joseph A. Fitzmeyer has noted an ancient non-Palestinian Aramaic legal document (dated c. 416 B.C.) which witnesses to the existence of "Aqab, son of Kepa" (See his "To Advance the Gospel", Crossroad, N.Y., 1981).

* Lastly, as Fr. Pujol has insisted, the "vulgar confusion" of Cephas with Peter was fostered by a faulty reading of Scripture resulting from the error of early Greek and Latin copyists who substituted Petros for Cephas and Cephas for Petros in various passages in Galatians."
"Mr. Charles Hart replied appropriately:
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"The word Cephas appears only 9 (8?) times in the entire New Testament; and 8 (7?) of those are in St. Paul's letters (Galatians and I Corinthians). The sole exception is in St. John's Gospel (1:42) where it is immediately translated for the reader's benefit, to "Petros" – since "Cephas" would not have conveyed Simon's designation as Rock to the Greek-speaking audience to whom John's written Gospel is addressed. It should be observed that the name "Cephas" which St. Paul uses 4 times in I Corinthians and 4 (3?) times in Galatians is not a translation of the name "Rock" which Our Lord conferred on Simon – that name in Aramaic is Kepa and "Cephas" is a transliteration – not a translation – into phonetically adaptable Greek. A Greek reader – in the absence of translation – would have no reason to think that "Cephas" means "Petros" – which is, of course, the Greek translation of Kepa.

We see in St. John's Gospel, therefore, that the meaning of the title (or office) which Our Lord conferred on Simon had to be translated if it were to retain its significance. Thus, if a person's given name in Aramaic were Kepa it would be transliterated into "Cephas" for Greek-speaking Christians, — which is just what we find in St. Paul's letters. But, if the title of his office, in Aramaic, were Kepa (so that it is the title's meaning which is important) that title must be translated to "Petros", just what we find in St. John's Gospel."
The upshot of all the above is that in Gal. 2:7-14 where Petros is mentioned and then followed by a shift to Cephas, two distinct personages are differentiated. Similarly, there is reason to believe that in Gal. 2:9 – “James and Cephas and John” – these are not the three Apostles, but rather Judaizers disputing Paul’s authority in the matter of circumcision."

I agree with Fr. Pujol’s and Mr. Hart’s scholarship as being valid arguments for two different names for two different men.
 
No serious Scripture scholar would think that Paul was not referring to “Kepha” or “Peter” – the chief Apostle – in Galatians.

As mentioned before, the switching between the Greek “Petros” (the masculine translation of the Aramaic “Kepha”) and “Cephas” (the transliteration of “Kepha”), is used to emphasize Paul’s “audacity” to stand up to the leader of the Church in this matter.

In fact, Peter was also referred to as “Simon Peter” and “Simon” several times in the Gospels. Or were they different people?!? I don’t think so.

Now, back to Eusebius, he simply makes a statement about Clement:

" They say that Sosthenes also, who wrote to the Corinthians with Paul, was one of them. This is the account of Clement in the fifth book of his Hypotyposes, in which he also says that Cephas was one of the seventy disciples, a man who bore the same name as the apostle Peter, and the one concerning whom Paul says, ‘When Cephas came to Antioch I withstood him to his face. (Galatians 2:11)’." (ch. 12, 2)

The CLEMENT here is CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA, who was born in the mid-second Century and died in A.D. 215.

This Clement, not Clement of Rome (4th pope) NEVER KNEW PAUL, NOR PETER!!!

Now if it had been Clement of Rome, maybe the words would hold some sort of historical weight.

Perhaps Clement of Alexandria (bishop of Alexandria) was actually trying to “protect” Peter’s name by naming another Cephas?

In any case, Eusebius is not saying there was another disciple named “Cephas” (not a name back then – Jesus gave the name to Peter, which would have been strange to ears), just that “Clement says” there was.

Big difference.

Again, as someone else mentioned, it would be ridiculous for Paul to write to the Galatians, “Oh, I stood up to an inferior, minor disciple about his behaviour.” No. He confronted PETER.
 
Galatians 1:19: “But other of the apostles [besides Cephas] I saw none, saving James the brother of the Lord”,

So another Cephas was an “apostle” of the same stature of John, Paul, James, Thomas, etc.?

Hmmmm… don’t think so.

newadvent.org/cathen/06336a.htm
 
Dear Shw, you state:“Gail, I’m sorry but I do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. I am arguing for the primacy of Peter and vindicating him as such. I do not for even one second believe that Peter the Apostle, head of the Catholic Church, was the person that Paul rebuked in Galatians 2.”

That’s too bad. Keep reading. I’d suggest an additional book. One that contains Church history.

Peace,

Gail
 
No serious Scripture scholar would think that Paul was not referring to “Kepha” or “Peter” – the chief Apostle – in Galatians.

The CLEMENT here is CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA, who was born in the mid-second Century and died in A.D. 215.

This Clement, not Clement of Rome (4th pope) NEVER KNEW PAUL, NOR PETER!!!

Now if it had been Clement of Rome, maybe the words would hold some sort of historical weight.

Perhaps Clement of Alexandria (bishop of Alexandria) was actually trying to “protect” Peter’s name by naming another Cephas?

Again, as someone else mentioned, it would be ridiculous for Paul to write to the Galatians, “Oh, I stood up to an inferior, minor disciple about his behaviour.” No. He confronted PETER.
I knew which Clement I was talking. He lived from 150 - 216, which is very early, and early enough for fresh oral traditions to be going around. His successor Origen is another that has left us with some good oral traditions, and Tertullian is another during that time who has done the same as well.
No serious Scripture scholar would think that… it would be ridiculous for…
It is a little irritating when some on here act as if someone would be foolish, dumb, or silly just because they see a possible difference of interpretation that my not be the status quo. I think more evidence points towards it referring to St. Peter, but it is not impossible that it was another person named Cephas, in fact there are serious Scripture scholars from different generations who seem to think so.

We all don’t need to attack each other on this.
 
It is a little irritating when some on here act as if someone would be foolish, dumb, or silly just because they see a possible difference of interpretation that my not be the status quo. I think more evidence points towards it referring to St. Peter, but it is not impossible that it was another person named Cephas, in fact there are serious Scripture scholars from different generations who seem to think so.

We all don’t need to attack each other on this.
Amen!! This should be kept brotherly.
 
Amen!! This should be kept brotherly.
“Scripture scholars” from several different generations… but none from the generation in which it happened.

I don’t think I was rude there. No genuine theologian would put any weight into the opinion that there were two Cephas in one generation. “Kepha” was a special name given to one man, Simon bar Jonah…
 
“Scripture scholars” from several different generations… but none from the generation in which it happened.

I don’t think I was rude there. No genuine theologian would put any weight into the opinion that there were two Cephas in one generation. “Kepha” was a special name given to one man, Simon bar Jonah….
Which reminds me, Simon was the son of John. Jonah and John are two completely different names.

Any thoughts, anyone?
 
Which reminds me, Simon was the son of John. Jonah and John are two completely different names.

Any thoughts, anyone?
They are, I think, as Jonah is yona in Hebrew, and John is yochanan.

Of course, we don’t doubt we’re talking about the same fellow, Peter’s dad.
 
I have mixed emotions, St. Clement and Eusebius are heavy weights in my opinion. But it really does not matter if it was St. Peter or another named Cephas, it does not change anything that we believe, as some have tried to argue.
I suppose that you also believe in the Phoenix since St. Clement mentions it in his epistle.

After all he is a heavyweight.

😃

St. Clement first epistle chapter 25
Chapter 25. The Phœnix an Emblem of Our Resurrection.


Let us consider that wonderful sign [of the resurrection] which takes place in eastern lands, that is, in Arabia and the countries round about. There is a certain bird which is called a phœnix. This is the only one of its kind, and lives five hundred years. And when the time of its dissolution draws near that it must die, it builds itself a nest of frankincense, and myrrh, and other spices, into which, when the time is fulfilled, it enters and dies. But as the flesh decays a certain kind of worm is produced, which, being nourished by the juices of the deed bird, brings forth feathers. Then, when it has acquired strength, it takes up that nest in which are the bones of its parent, and bearing these it passes from the land of Arabia into Egypt, to the city called Heliopolis. And, in open day, flying in the sight of all men, it places them on the altar of the sun, and having done this, hastens back to its former abode. The priests then inspect the registers of the dates, and find that it has returned exactly as the five hundredth year was completed.
 
Why would Paul feel the need to declare that he chastised an obscure disciple. Wouldn’t he have to explain, since he mentioned Cephas only a few verses before, that he was talking of a different Cephas? Also, We know Peter was in Antioch.
And why would it matter what some guy whose name happened to sound like Peter’s thought? Paul records only a handful of the millions of conversations he had in his life. Why did he choose to record this one?
Galatians 1:19: “But other of the apostles [besides Cephas] I saw none, saving James the brother of the Lord”,

So another Cephas was an “apostle” of the same stature of John, Paul, James, Thomas, etc.?

Hmmmm… don’t think so.

newadvent.org/cathen/06336a.htm
Then he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon the son of John; 30 you will be called Cephas” (which is translated Peter).
John 1:42

Seems to me that each of these, standing alone, clears this up. Taken together they are very hard to refute.

Paul corrected Peter. The argument that he did not does not come from any real scholarship, but from a misguided attempt to refute a Protestant argument against Petrine primacy. Their argument is only strengthened by this two Cephas stuff. The proper response is that yes, Paul rebuked Peter. Many, probably all, Popes have been rebuked by some spiritual advisor at some time. The Church was young, the apostles were still sorting things out. Peter was not made head of the Church because he was the greatest theologian, and even if he were that would not mean he could never make a mistake. He got something wrong and Paul called him on it. It would be a poor Pope in any age that could not take advice from another leader of the Church, especially if that happens to be someone like Paul.

By denying the obvious, we don’t convince anyone. The text is too clear to accomplish that. Instead we give credence to the wrong-headed (and frankly silly) notion that if Peter were in charge Paul would be afraid to rebuke him. Or that if Peter were in charge he would never do anything wrong ever again.
 
Dear Shw, you state:“Gail, I’m sorry but I do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. I am arguing for the primacy of Peter and vindicating him as such. I do not for even one second believe that Peter the Apostle, head of the Catholic Church, was the person that Paul rebuked in Galatians 2.”

That’s too bad. Keep reading. I’d suggest an additional book. One that contains Church history.

Peace,

Gail
Please explain exactly what you mean. Your vagueness is impossible to address. Thank you! 🙂

I say that I think that Peter the Apostle is the person meant in Galatians 2:7 and 8 but not in Galatians 9, 11, and 14.

And since the Church has not made a dogmatic decision on this interpretation, I feel that it is valid for persons to debate. Many modern scholars, as I am finding out through more research, actually agree with my interpretation.

Peace to you, too.
 
“Scripture scholars” from several different generations… but none from the generation in which it happened.

I don’t think I was rude there. No genuine theologian would put any weight into the opinion that there were two Cephas in one generation. “Kepha” was a special name given to one man, Simon bar Jonah…
The comment you made first has no substance to the arguement because there were no “Scripure scholars” of the NT in that generation because it was all happening then.

I don’t think you were trying to be rude but it was condescending. You claim that no genuine theologian would put any weight on that, and that is fine if that is how you feel, but I have seen genuine theologians put weight on it. Also St. Clement of Alexandria has always been held by the Church as a great theologian, so I would not act as if he is a worthless testimony.
 
St. Paul rebuking St. Peter is irrelevant as two the relative authority of the two. St. Catherine of Siena, a frail young nun rebuked a Pope to his face as well (she also was a very strong advocate for the supreme authority of the Vicar of Christ)–at least St. Peter got rebuked by a fellow Apostle! 😛
 
I suppose that you also believe in the Phoenix since St. Clement mentions it in his epistle.

After all he is a heavyweight.

😃

St. Clement first epistle chapter 25
Chapter 25. The Phœnix an Emblem of Our Resurrection.


Let us consider that wonderful sign [of the resurrection] which takes place in eastern lands, that is, in Arabia and the countries round about. There is a certain bird which is called a phœnix. This is the only one of its kind, and lives five hundred years. And when the time of its dissolution draws near that it must die, it builds itself a nest of frankincense, and myrrh, and other spices, into which, when the time is fulfilled, it enters and dies. But as the flesh decays a certain kind of worm is produced, which, being nourished by the juices of the deed bird, brings forth feathers. Then, when it has acquired strength, it takes up that nest in which are the bones of its parent, and bearing these it passes from the land of Arabia into Egypt, to the city called Heliopolis. And, in open day, flying in the sight of all men, it places them on the altar of the sun, and having done this, hastens back to its former abode. The priests then inspect the registers of the dates, and find that it has returned exactly as the five hundredth year was completed.
Again, this is not St. Clement of Rome that I am referring to, it was St. Clement of Alexandria.
 
Come again? Jonah and John ARE the same name. That IS your point is it not?
No, I thought Jonah and John are NOT the same name.

I’ll have to check where I got that from, but if I’m correct, there is some symbolism going on. I’m referring to earlier in Chapter 16 of Matthew, where Jesus tells them to look for the sign of Jonah (His Death and Resurrection). Then 15 verses later, He calls Peter, Simon son of Jonah. Again, I’ll check where I first heard this.

Oh, and thanks for the backup, Porthos!
 
No, I thought Jonah and John are NOT the same name.

I’ll have to check where I got that from, but if I’m correct, there is some symbolism going on. I’m referring to earlier in Chapter 16 of Matthew, where Jesus tells them to look for the sign of Jonah (His Death and Resurrection). Then 15 verses later, He calls Peter, Simon son of Jonah. Again, I’ll check where I first heard this.

Oh, and thanks for the backup, Porthos!
In John 21:15, RSV the quote is, “Simon, son of John.” But in the same translation the Matthew citation you give above is “Bar-Jonah.” So it looks like “Bar” goes with “Jonah” but “son” goes with John. And that Jonah and John are the same name.
 
No serious Scripture scholar would think that Paul was not referring to “Kepha” or “Peter” – the chief Apostle – in Galatians.

As mentioned before, the switching between the Greek “Petros” (the masculine translation of the Aramaic “Kepha”) and “Cephas” (the transliteration of “Kepha”), is used to emphasize Paul’s “audacity” to stand up to the leader of the Church in this matter.
I doubt that the common man would have known the literal meanings of names (I surely don’t even know all the meanings of my own personal names!). I doubt that they could have comprehended this supposed “switching” of names to emphasize “audacity” or anything else.

John 1:42 “Then he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon the son of John; 30 you will be called Cephas” (which is translated Peter).” Some translations say “stone” instead of “Peter.”

Why do people assume that there can only be one person named “Peter” or “Cephas,” depending on the translation, which mean the same thing (stone or rock)? There is definite archaeological evidence that Cephas was a name given to others before Jesus renamed Simon to Peter (Cephas). I have it listed in another post.
Now, back to Eusebius, he simply makes a statement about Clement:
" They say that Sosthenes also, who wrote to the Corinthians with Paul, was one of them. This is the account of Clement in the fifth book of his Hypotyposes, in which he also says that Cephas was one of the seventy disciples, a man who bore the same name as the apostle Peter, and the one concerning whom Paul says, ‘When Cephas came to Antioch I withstood him to his face. (Galatians 2:11)’." (ch. 12, 2)
In any case, Eusebius is not saying there was another disciple named “Cephas” (not a name back then – Jesus gave the name to Peter, which would have been strange to ears), just that “Clement says” there was.
Big difference.
I don’t think it really matters. Opinions do not make “truth.” One side is incorrect because there is “truth.” We are just debating whose opinion we think matches the truth. Either Paul rebuked the Apostle Peter or he did not and instead rebuked another man with the same name. Some of us believe that Paul used Peter’s name as apostle in the first part of the passage and the name Cephas in the last part because they were two different men.
Again, as someone else mentioned, it would be ridiculous for Paul to write to the Galatians, “Oh, I stood up to an inferior, minor disciple about his behaviour.” No. He confronted PETER.
Paul was constantly reminding the faithful that he had authority over them so it would be in his character to rebuke a subordinate in front of others. However, I do not think that he would have rebuked an equal or superior in front of others. I think he would have followed the mandate of Jesus (Matthew 18:15-17) to speak to persons privately first. It would be common courtesy to do so and Paul was an educated man, very aware of societal rules of etiquette and I don’t think he would have practiced “one-upmanship” as this would, in my view, be pettiness and therefore a sin against charity.

Also, did Catherine of Sienna take out an ad in the newspaper so that everyone would know that she was rebuking the pope or did she do it privately by letter? I hope someone knows the answer to this and can enlighten us.

If it was Peter the Apostle who was actually rebuked, as some persons think, it still does not make him unfit for primal leadership of the Church.
 
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