Peter in Mathew 16

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what does it mean? I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.”

to be bind and loosen. what dies it mean?
 
It means that Peter and all the popes can make decisions, and it will be so in Heaven (i.e. it will be as if God himself made that decision.)
 
how does that work though. how does the pope declaring what will be work for heaven?
 
Christ gave the popes the assurance of infallibility in their statements if they were, 1. made from the chair of peter, and 2. made concerning doctrines on faith and morals.
 
Hey! Do you have a Catechism? I recommend reading through that.
 
Several sections deal with the Keys of the Kingdom and binding and loosing.

Around the section dedicated to the creed on “Forgiveness of Sins,” it talks about the “power of the keys,” which has historically been associated with the Church’s authority to forgive sins. This is an ancient teaching. As far back as Tertullian do we see theologians associate the Keys with absolution of sins.

But more generally, the power of the Keys of the Kingdom is the ability of Christ’s stewards, particularly the chief steward — the Pope — to act and rule on his behalf. The quote from Jesus is a reference to Isaiah 22:22 (I think that is the correct verse, I may be wrong – it’s in Isaiah), which talks about the chief steward or prime minister who rules with the “key” under the authority of the Davidic king.
 
catholic1seeks said:
The quote from Jesus is a reference to Isaiah 22:22 (I think that is the correct verse, I may be wrong – it’s in Isaiah), which talks about the chief steward or prime minister who rules with the “key” under the authority of the Davidic king.
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Yes, you’re correct, and @Pathway2, the answer from @catholic1seeks is a good one.

“Binding and loosing” is the kind of language that we see in Isaiah 22 – it means that the “prime minister” (or “vicar of Christ”, as the pope is often called) has been given authority by Jesus. Not just some authority to do this thing or that thing, but really, Jesus has given His Church a ‘proxy’: whatever they say, goes. And, more than that, what they say on earth is ratified in heaven. So, Jesus is really giving the “keys” of authority to the Church, to act in His name.

This isn’t just about “forgiveness of sins” – which is where I think that @catholic1seeks’s comments go astray, because the text of Mt 16 (or even Mt 18!) isn’t talking about sins (after all, that text is found in John 20!) – but rather, as @catholic1seeks says later in his comment, it’s all about the authority “to act and rule on [Jesus’] behalf”. 👍
 
Jesus is Delegating His Authority to Peter/Cephas.

Jesus being the King of kings has the Authority to Appoint a Second–a Functionary that keeps the Keys of the Kingdom (the Rule/Authority) of the King if He were to fall (be hurt/die in battle) or be absent from the Kingdom.

Jesus will soon Ascend to the Father; Jesus Authors Peter to be His Second as He will leave the Visible earthly Kingdom in the Church that He will Establish on Peter.

Having the Authority to bind or loose means that the Delegate has the King’s Authority to “Speak”/“Act” for the King. ‘Bound in Heaven and loosed in Heaven’ means that Jesus will back Peter’s acts on earth. Peter, as Jesus, Delegate will “speak” for Jesus and will set norms for the Church (this began right from Pentecost). Jesus further expands Delegation to the power to forgive sin as He Breaths the Holy Spirit on them, the Eleven, and Gives them the Authority to forgive or retain man’s sin.

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so what the pope declares is what Jesus permits? otherwise there could be a pope who says, “there is no Hell”. (this was an example, not to attack pope Francis).
 
Pathway2 said:
so what the pope declares is what Jesus permits? otherwise there could be a pope who says, “there is no Hell”. (this was an example, not to attack pope Francis).
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BridgetN said:
Christ gave the popes the assurance of infallibility in their statements if they were, 1. made from the chair of peter, and 2. made concerning doctrines on faith and morals.
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If I may, I think your definition needs a little more. I would say, "Christ gave the popes the assurance of infallibility in their statements if they were, 1 made from the Chair of Peter as the Supreme teacher of the RCC and 2, made concerning doctrine on faith and morals when all the bishops of the church speak in one voice on the matter.
Not every opinion concerning faith and morals carries the mantle of an Infallible teaching. It is however, infallibly taught meaning it is not wrong, it just may not be absolutely right.
 
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Pathway2 said:
what does it mean? I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.”

to be bind and loosen. what dies it mean?
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I think you might want to take something into account in your attempt to understand the ramification of your question. And that is the historical nature of a papal pronouncement. A pope may state something in a manner that in the present instant may seem unclear. It is through the working of the Holy Spirit that will move the Holy Father in conjunction with the Magisterium (the teaching authority of the church) to come to a clearer explanation or exposition of his original statement. I, as a Catholic, understand infallibility as a gift of the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ, to guide the Church, long term, to right or correct doctrine and dogma.
 
Pathway2 said:
so what the pope declares is what Jesus permits? otherwise there could be a pope who says, “there is no Hell”. (this was an example, not to attack pope Francis).
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Yes. And Jesus is truth, so He (Jesus/God) will allow only truths to be infallibly decreed by the Pope. Our confident faith in the truth of our doctrines is not based on the pope’s wisdom, but on the power of God to ensure that no falsehood gets infallibly decreed by a pope.
 
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joeybaggz said:
1 made from the Chair of Peter as the Supreme teacher of the RCC and 2, made concerning doctrine on faith and morals when all the bishops of the church speak in one voice on the matter.
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Your right, I didn’t remember those clauses when I first responded. Thanks for saying it though. 😉
 
There is a chair, but the ‘chair/see of Peter’ refers more to the Pope’s office and power rather than an actual place to sit.
 
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