Peter the Rock

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I had a fundamentalist come up to me saying that Jesus couldn’t possibly build His Church upon Peter since Peter was a man. Jesus wouldn’t have the Church’s foundation on a sinner. He went on saying that if Peter was the foundation, then the Church would be built on sand. After that, my mind went blank. How can I explain Peter being the Rock to him? Thanks
 
No one claims Peter and his profession of faith are the rock by his own power–it is Christ who prays for his faith that it not fail, and the Father who reveals it to him, not flesh and blood.
 
I had a fundamentalist come up to me saying that Jesus couldn’t possibly build His Church upon Peter since Peter was a man. Jesus wouldn’t have the Church’s foundation on a sinner. He went on saying that if Peter was the foundation, then the Church would be built on sand. After that, my mind went blank. How can I explain Peter being the Rock to him? Thanks
Jesus and the apostles spoke Aramaic. In Aramaic, the word for ‘rock’ is ‘kepha.’ What Jesus said was ‘‘You are kepha and on this kepha I will build my church.’’ (Occasiionally you will see Peter referred to as Cephas. That is merely ‘kepha’ transliterated into the Greek.)

If your friend does not believe Peter is the ‘roc’ Jesus spoke of, he is calling Jesus a liar.

Gary
 
I had a fundamentalist come up to me saying that Jesus couldn’t possibly build His Church upon Peter since Peter was a man. Jesus wouldn’t have the Church’s foundation on a sinner. He went on saying that if Peter was the foundation, then the Church would be built on sand. After that, my mind went blank. How can I explain Peter being the Rock to him? Thanks
You would first use Scripture to show that St. Peter is the Rock on which His Church is built. Start with Matthew 16:19. Have your friend explain why Jesus gave St. Peter the “the keys to the kingdom of heaven.” Second, look at Luke 22:31-31. Ask him why Jesus prayed for St. Peter’s faith so that he (St. Peter) would strengthen his brothers (the Apostles). Why did Pope Benedict XVI come to the United States . . . to strengthen his brothers (Catholics here in the U.S.). Finally, John 21:15-17. This section constitutes Peter’s rehabilitation and emphasizes his role in the church. St. Peter becomes the shepherd to Jesus’ flock here on earth. You can also look to the first half of Acts. St. Peter is the spokesperson of the early Christian Church.

Remember, St. Peter was given the “keys.” St. Peter’s faith and his successors will strengthen us. St. Peter and his successors are the shepherd’s of Jesus’ whole flock.
 
I had a fundamentalist come up to me saying that Jesus couldn’t possibly build His Church upon Peter since Peter was a man. Jesus wouldn’t have the Church’s foundation on a sinner. He went on saying that if Peter was the foundation, then the Church would be built on sand. After that, my mind went blank. How can I explain Peter being the Rock to him? Thanks
Why is your friend denying the very words of Christ?

I do not understand this method of Bible interpretation.

A) I’ve got my pre-conceived beliefs that my pastor taught me.
B) I’m going to use any bible verse that supports my beliefs, even if I have to rip them out of their original context.
C) I’m going to ignore the very words of Christ if they happen to disagree with my beliefs, even challenging another Christian who happens to follow these very words of Christ.
 
Jesus and the apostles spoke Aramaic. In Aramaic, the word for ‘rock’ is ‘kepha.’ What Jesus said was ‘‘You are kepha and on this kepha I will build my church.’’ (Occasiionally you will see Peter referred to as Cephas. That is merely ‘kepha’ transliterated into the Greek.)

If your friend does not believe Peter is the ‘roc’ Jesus spoke of, he is calling Jesus a liar.

Gary
Make that the ‘rock’, not ‘roc.’

Gary
 
Isn’t the obvious response to that is every man is a sinner? The church was founded by a sinner & is full of sinners because everyone is a sinner.
 
NotWorthy said it quite well. It isn’t hard, in this circumstance, for the protestant to be hoist on his own petard.
 
NotWorthy said it quite well. It isn’t hard, in this circumstance, for the protestant to be hoist on his own petard.
Watch your language, now. There are people who are offended by such crude words. 😉

BTW, thanks for the kind words!
 
Isn’t the obvious response to that is every man is a sinner? The church was founded by a sinner & is full of sinners because everyone is a sinner.
Gentle correction:

The Church was not founded by Peter – it was founded by Christ, who gave Peter authority over it.

Peace,
Dante
 
I had a fundamentalist come up to me saying that Jesus couldn’t possibly build His Church upon Peter since Peter was a man. Jesus wouldn’t have the Church’s foundation on a sinner. He went on saying that if Peter was the foundation, then the Church would be built on sand. After that, my mind went blank. How can I explain Peter being the Rock to him? Thanks
**Peter is the Rock because the words he will speak as head of the Church are the words of God, who is Rock. ***

Matt 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”*
(In heaven there is only God’s truth; no falsehood at all.)

One of the primary purposes for establishing the Church (in addition to Sacrifice of the Mass and sacraments) was for the world to have a source of truth after Our Lord’s ascension - a “pillar and bulwark of truth”:
*1 Cor 3:15 “… the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” *

Jesus knew all the future controversies that would arise after His ascension. All one has to do is read Scripture to know how important “truth” is to God. It was not Our Lord’s desire that his followers should believe false doctrines. He wanted them to have the assurance that what they believe (in faith and morals) is true. And so He established the papacy as the means through which He would audibly communicate His truth to the Church.

It is so wonderful to be Catholic; to know that what we believe is, in fact, true. I can’t imagine what it would be like to always wonder; that is, to have that little area of uneasiness that perhaps the conclusion I’ve accepted is wrong (since so many other devout Christians hold to differing, even opposite, views. There is the “sand”).

Nita
 
Isn’t the obvious response to that is every man is a sinner? The church was founded by a sinner & is full of sinners because everyone is a sinner.
Don’t confuse infallibility with impeccability. Impeccability is to be without sin and no pope can claim that. Infallibility means that the Holy Spirit is protecting the pope from making an error when the following conditions are met:
  1. It is a matter of doctrine or morals.
  2. It is intended to apply to the entire Church.
  3. He states that it is his intention to make an infallible decree.
Some Christians would try to convince you that impeccability is a prerequisite for infallibility but this is not the case. The Bible was also written, in the human sense, by sinners protected by the Holy Spirit.

Gary
 
I had a fundamentalist come up to me saying that Jesus couldn’t possibly build His Church upon Peter since Peter was a man. Jesus wouldn’t have the Church’s foundation on a sinner. He went on saying that if Peter was the foundation, then the Church would be built on sand. After that, my mind went blank. How can I explain Peter being the Rock to him? Thanks
**You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: **the Aramaic word kepa - meaning rock and transliterated into Greek as Kephas - is the name by which Peter is called in the Pauline letters (1 Cor 1:12; 3:22; 9:5; 15:4; Gal 1:18; 2:9, 11, 14) except in Gal 2:7-8 (“Peter”). It is translated as Petros (“Peter”) in John 1:42. The presumed original Aramaic of Jesus’ statement would have been, in English, “You are the Rock (Kepa) and upon this rock (kepa) I will build my church.” The Greek text probably means the same, for the difference in gender between the masculine noun petros, the disciple’s new name, and the feminine noun petra (rock) may be due simply to the unsuitability of using a feminine noun as the proper name of a male. Although the two words were generally used with slightly different nuances, they were also used interchangeably with the same meaning, “rock.” Church: this word (Greek ekklesia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Matthew 18:17 (twice). There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God. The gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it: the netherworld (Greek Hades, the abode of the dead) is conceived of as a walled city whose gates will not close in upon the church of Jesus, i.e., it will not be overcome by the power of death.

**The keys to the kingdom of heaven: **the image of the keys is probably drawn from Isaiah 22:15-25 where Eliakim, who succeeds Shebnah as master of the palace, is given “the key of the house of David,” which he authoritatively “opens” and “shuts” (Isaiah 22:22). Whatever you bind . . . loosed in heaven: there are many instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing. In any case, the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone. In Matthew 18:18 all the disciples are given the power of binding and loosing, but the context of that verse suggests that there the power of excommunication alone is intended. That the keys are those to the kingdom of heaven and that Peter’s exercise of authority in the church on earth will be confirmed in heaven show an intimate connection between, but not an identification of the church and the kingdom of heaven.

Source: vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_PVP.HTM#MR7Y

Finally, the name Peter and Simon Peter are used numerous times in the New Testament. This means the Church recognized Peter as the rock upon which she (the Church) is built.

Source: vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/7R.HTM
 
I had a fundamentalist come up to me saying that Jesus couldn’t possibly build His Church upon Peter since Peter was a man. Jesus wouldn’t have the Church’s foundation on a sinner. He went on saying that if Peter was the foundation, then the Church would be built on sand. After that, my mind went blank. How can I explain Peter being the Rock to him? Thanks
Peter is appointed by Jesus the King of kings, as His prime minister when Jesus said He gave Peter the keys of His kingdom. In ancient Israel when the King left the country to do kingly business like lead his army he left behind someone to govern in his absence. This was the prime minister. As the king wore a crown to signify his office the prime minister wore a set of keys on a chain around his neck. Jesus knew He was leaving and left Peter His prime mnister to govern His Church. Scripture is very clear that Peter is singled out in many ways. Jesus praying that Peter’s faith will not fail, telling him that Satan wanted to sift him, telling him that he should strengthen his brothers, Peter’s confession when Jesus asked all the apostles who do you say I am, John deferring to Peter to enter the tomb first, and finally the statement about him being the rock on which He would build His Church. Your Protestant friend rejects Peter the apostle, the man Jesus appointed as His prime minister. Ask him what does Jesus say will happen to those who refuse to hear the apostles He sends to teach the nations?
 
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